Hyrule Adventures 2

@ZV: Gonna have to side with KP on this one, ZV -- Jack wouldn't delete TDC, especially not without giving us (or at least KP) warning. Really, I can't see him doing it at all. But even though I haven't spoken to him in years, I know he loves TDC, so he'd only destroy it as a last resort (don't know what it would be a last resort to, but it would have to be pretty major for him to turn on it). If anything, he would threaten to shut it down in an effort to motivate us into getting the site back up and running again; if we failed, I could see him looking for a new webmaster, but not shutting it down.

But that said, thanks for commenting. These poll topics are supposed to be discussion topics, not dialogues between me and KP. I'd like to encourage everyone else to bring up any thoughts they have on these matters.

@KP: That's awesome news! Glad to here you'll be around.

I agree with a whole lot of what you've said, KP, but I still lean towards taking it away from TDC. Can't think of anything more to say than has already been said, so I'll just reiterate the point that I believe is most noteworthy right now.

TDC is dying, if not already dead. Until and unless it comes back to life, I believe any plans and any progress we make with HA2/3 will be pointless. It might draw in some people, but it isn't going to be nearly as good a draw as some quality content would be -- that's the kind of site TDC is. Now, you could completely remake the site so that something like HA2 is the kind of thing it focuses on . . . but if your focus is preserving Jack's legacy (as I believe it is), I doubt that's the way to do it.

Essentially, I think you should spend most, if not all, of your time getting TDC revived, and rejuvenating HA2 or starting HA3 isn't going to do much for that. TDC does have the potential to become great again -- but that's all it is right now: potential. The more time you put into making HA2/3 work is time taken from aspects of the TDC that will be more effective at utilizing that potential. I really want TDC revived, but Hyrule Adventures remains my primary focus, and until I see some results I have to plan for what I think will best serve my part of Jack's legacy.

Sorry; I know this isn't the most supportive stance for me to take . . . but I feel it's my responsibility to HA2 to take it.

Alpha, your stance is fine. What I guess I'm most frightened of is this: if there are thoughts of starting HA3 floating around (on TDC or not), then activity on HA2 might decrease. If that's the case, then in working on TDC I can't point to HA2 as much as I should be able to, in the ways that I detailed earlier.

I would love to see HA3 happen. Honestly, if enough people here want it, I think we should just try it out. That would certainly give me one thing to advertise about TDC, and it's a pretty huge deal. I can see why you'd want to avoid that... there is the potential that it would just decrease activity on HA2, but not garner enough activity in itself, causing the same problem I was worried about in the first place and creating a whole lot of work for nothing.

I want you to continue to focusing on HA2, Alpha, there's no doubt in my mind about that. And I'd like to work during the summer to revitalize TDC. I'm not entirely sure how I'm going to do that right now, but there's still time to figure that out. Either way, I will be promoting whatever HA is going on here at the time. I really don't see it as being as much of a separate part of TDC as you guys do. I think it deserves more focus than it gets right now, and if I can make that happen, then maybe you'll see how strong a connection HA2 and TDC really have. But I would also be more than willing to help create an HA3 here on TDC, if it comes to that. Again, I don't see TDC and HA as being mutually exclusive, so working on HA is working on TDC, to me.

Okay, so I admit that it may have been a short time since I last posted or made a topic or made any worthwhile contribution to HA2 as a whole. Just a short time though, nothing like years or months or anything like that.

I'm totally for HA3, if mainly because I feel like I've sort of failed with Worru and any of these secondary characters I drizzled over my time here. My writing was outright horrible when I came here, there is no doubt about that. I've been told that I've improved, even with the buffet of cliches that make up my main character.

A chance to start anew, with a blank slate and the chance to right the wrongs that i've made? I could ask for nothing better. I would feel bad for leaving behind Worru, I kid you not. There will always be a feeling that I could've done better for him. I'd try to bring that promise through with a new character, and hopefully, a new place to roleplay on.

Would I be for a brand new website, or a section of the website for HA3 specifically? That I cannot say. Both sides have their ups and downs, and I can't really decide on one without taking on the loss of the other.

What would be important, I'd say, is trying to get together all that can be done before making a choice of whether to make a new website or a new section. That way you'd be able to know if people would totally be for the idea by being given a more detailed premise.

Then again, what has already shown in that email and the post detailing any changes and answering a few questions, I'm already sold on the idea and have begun work on a brand new character. I'm excited again. It'll be like all those years ago, except I won't be that bad of a writer.

Okay, hopefully not as bad. Can't get too crazy with promises now.

I present that for your consideration.

I haven't posted or got involved in HA2 for a LOOoooooooooooong time. Various things always got in the way. But you can add me to a list of people who would be interested in joining in HA (in whatever form it may take) in some fashion in the future. This may be a bit redundant, but as someone who remembers very clearly first impressions of this site I would add that the only reason I ended up not just abandoning it immediately was primarily the friendly regulars and good standards of grammar/RPing, but a big part was the new "south" options opening up. From my experience, us new guys are more interested in introducing themselves via taking part in stories that are going on at the time.

So I think that if (and it's a big if) you feel it's necessary to pull in a larger amount of new blood, I think HA3 might be a good point. The current site design for HA2 is... Unintuitive to say the least. And this isn't anything to do with the compass and exploration around the world (something that I would hate to see disappear) but the actual structure of the main forums themselves. I'm no expert, so I can't give much advice... But I can say that my initial reaction back when on registering and signing in, heading to the "new people" section... Was a mighty "Yuhwhazzah, huh?"

Now I continued and worked out how things sat, and got past some of the more confusing elements of the way the Castle/forum works (Not helped by the colour pallet which I do remember initially made me think twice about how easy it would be to navigate everything) And perhaps there is something to be said for that, in that you lose out on less dedicated players. Then again, I got through and look what happened to me...

Whatever happens I'd hope to be potentially active. Maybe it's just nostalgia, but I enjoyed taking part in my small way. I'd be happy to support it in any way I can now that I actually am in a position to commit time and effort to it. It'd be a bit sad if I saw it dying a slow death while poking my nose in to take a look at old events.

From the sounds of it, it may already be there. Hope not. Greetings from over here in the more British side of the pond.

Worru and Eberron! Good to see you guys back here.

KP, I understand where you're coming from, and if we moved ahead and begin work on the project, there's no question that it would be easier to do it here at the colossus- but our biggest concern... and I didn't want to be the one to say this, but it has to be said.

KP, you pretty much abandoned us. I'm not angry about it anymore- but it really sort of left us with nothing. According to several sources, you were quite uncooperative about working with us. We're extremely- well, I won't speak for the others, but I am extremely concerned that you'll flake out on us again. I hope you understand how much work this might require from you.

Let me put it to you this way. We're all willing to do our share of lifting. But there's certain blocks that ONLY YOU can lift. Without you, all of the work we're willing to put into this thing will have been for nothing. I personally need your word that you won't disappear off the face of the planet again. If you can give me your word that you'll fully cooperate with and support us, I'll have almost no qualms about building HA3 here. We'll also need a democracy here on the mod/admin team. From what I understand, there were things that everyone agreed on, but you wouldn't budge on because you didn't agree. Again, these are only things that I've heard. I'm not mad at you KP, and I'm not accusing you of anything.

But you did leave us high and dry. It's completely reasonable for me or anyone else to be worried that you'd do it again. You've claimed that you're turning a new life. This has shown at the Colossus forums. We're due for an upgrade, and I'm happy to see you're willing to do what it takes. You're giving me good reason to trust you again- but I do have trust issues.

In short KP- Can we fully trust you to do what it takes?

Depending on your answer, I'm okay with beginning work on HA3 right here at home.

Eberron, your concerns haven't fallen on deaf ears. The layout does take more getting used to than it should. It seems that this is a problem we've sort of ignored (or haven't been able to fix) for a long, long time. But rest assured that if HA3 becomes reality, we will definitely solve that problem one way or another. We're also very open to suggestions- if you have an idea, feel free to PM me about it, and I'll see that it's heard at future meetings.

Worru, we're excited too. But don't get too excited. While it seems that everyone is on board for HA3, we have yet to begin. It could take as long as a year to completely have everything ready. The decision however, is completely dependent on KP's ability to cooperate with us, and start workin' on this bad boy!

Zelda Veteran wrote: Eberron, your concerns haven't fallen on deaf ears. The layout does take more getting used to than it should. It seems that this is a problem we've sort of ignored (or haven't been able to fix) for a long, long time. But rest assured that if HA3 becomes reality, we will definitely solve that problem one way or another. We're also very open to suggestions- if you have an idea, feel free to PM me about it, and I'll see that it's heard at future meetings.

I may just do that at some point in the near future. Though most of my suggestions really wouldn't be that extensive... From memory, I loved the actual game system implemented in HA2. And re-reading through everything, I haven't found anything to go against that. There was perhaps a slight balance issue with magic... Just a slight one...

But I would hate to see the focus and style of HA2 changed too extensively. As far as I'm concerned the foundations are pretty damn strong (And, most importantly, fun). It's primarily the presentation and appearance that I could actually comment on.

To be perfectly honest, if there was a way to get more activity going on in an updated HA2 I'd be a very happy fellow. Because that's, obviously, what it needs. Unfortunately, at this stage I think it needs a reboot to get anyone new interested. The first sight you have on visiting HA2, is not a welcoming one for someone new to the game.

Eberron wrote:

Zelda Veteran wrote: Eberron, your concerns haven't fallen on deaf ears. The layout does take more getting used to than it should. It seems that this is a problem we've sort of ignored (or haven't been able to fix) for a long, long time. But rest assured that if HA3 becomes reality, we will definitely solve that problem one way or another. We're also very open to suggestions- if you have an idea, feel free to PM me about it, and I'll see that it's heard at future meetings.

There was perhaps a slight balance issue with magic... Just a slight one...

Slight balance issue? There's a huge balance issue with magic. It's something we've been aiming to fix forever, and just never did. That said, DreamersTemple is a huge stats & balance freak. He made a new system a long time ago that we never implemented, but it would definitely be perfect for HA3. So no worries about the magic issue, it's already solved (just not implemented).

Eberron wrote:The first sight you have on visiting HA2, is not a welcoming one for someone new to the game.

Agreed. To be completely honest, it's just plain boring. It doesn't even look very Zelda-ish. People would see it and be like, "Oh, it's an OLD Zelda site. It smells like my grandpa's dress socks, eww". I definitely aim to fix that. I want a bright, colorful, and inviting home page that you see before you proceed to the site. The site's colors are the way they are because they're easy on the eyes. A bright lime green type of color is really intense, and not something that would be good for looking at while you're trying to type. But I agree, the first page you visit looks old, too serious, and not a whole lot of fun.

It's on my to-do list though.

Probably school took a major turn in everyone's life. Me, I set out to further improve on my writing skills. I returned with a new face to see how well my writing skills have improved over the passage of time.

Zach98o wrote:Probably school took a major turn in everyone's life. Me, I set out to further improve on my writing skills. I returned with a new face to see how well my writing skills have improved over the passage of time.

Oh? That's pretty interesting! I won't ask who you were, but if you're willing to lay a topic down somewhere, I'd be happy to join. Good to see some people coming back, even if they were people that left a long time ago. Anyhow, did you have any opinions about the possibility of HA3? Nobody is really opposed yet. Go ahead and drop a vote in the poll if nothing else. Thanks.

A HA3 seems interesting. How about adding some new races, like the Twili, and such, and make the land biggar, and stuff. I would suggest Land linking Holdrom, and Labrina, but THAT would be a headache to do, so I'll just stick to being bigger, more room to explore.

And how about having a little character move in the window, and they can randomy find monsters in them, make getting EXP slightly easier, but when I suggest something, it's usually dumb, this second part can be disregarded if you want.

Zach98o wrote:A HA3 seems interesting. How about adding some new races, like the Twili, and such, and make the land biggar, and stuff. I would suggest Land linking Holdrom, and Labrina, but THAT would be a headache to do, so I'll just stick to being bigger, more room to explore.

And how about having a little character move in the window, and they can randomy find monsters in them, make getting EXP slightly easier, but when I suggest something, it's usually dumb, this second part can be disregarded if you want.

All ideas are considered. The only dumb idea is the one you don't pitch. Because even a "dumb" idea could be the inspiration that leads to an even greater idea. As for the races, we've been working on that for a long time(for use here at HA2), so we're all set on those. Again, a lot of the things you guys think need to be improved have already been worked on. But because KP was gone for so long, we really haven't been able to really get to work on improving the site. That's where the idea of HA3 kind of began. We have so many improvements and ideas that it practically won't even be the same site- so why should it be? Why not implement everything we need/want and more? Why not get a fancy new home page, updated screens, and a new story? It sounds fantastic doesn't it? The whole site seems to be in agreement, so whenever we finish this dispute with KP, we can start working on it!

Sorry I disappeared.

Here's why

http://ha2talk.proboards.com/index.cgi? ... thread=479

If that link doesn't work, I'll just summarize-

Zach98o's hypothesis was correct- Saki and I just graduated, and we had to deal with finals and all of those wonderful things. Saki's going to Princeton (as a valedictorian should) and I'm off to UC Berkeley. Dunno if I'll come on HA2 much this fall.

...I revise my opinion about HA3. After having quite a few talks with Orph, I've changed my mind, I think y'all should go for it. Or at least change the aesthetics.

Another and perhaps more relevant contribution to this thread- Orph and the rest of you were (partly) right. Zelda isn't dead like I imagined, and I've met some incoming band freshmen who are excited about Skyward Sword, Spirit Tracks, and a revival of Ocarina of Time. I've mentioned HA2 to quite a few of them and they seemed genuinely interested.

Ohh...New face? Wow, things have REALLY changed since I left. What happened to Kasei, Noagre (Sp?) And orph. themselves? They were kinda my idols, but everyone has their weak, and strong points, and back then, I only focused on my strong points, and that, was what led to my downfall. And I was young and naive, not knowing anything about the net, so that was another weak point.

I made it by Freshman year, fairly well, took no chances this year than when I was in Middle School. Nearly failed a few years in Middle, due to stupid Humanities teacher, which was 3 grades in one, and if I failed the class, I was screwed, even if I passed my other classes. And yes, she was stupid. She NEVER let the class have free time, even at home. I TRIED to keep up in the beginning of my 8th grade year, but then I was overwhelmed by work, I gave up, and said, "Fuch it, if i fail, then I sure as heck hope I don't have that teacher next year." Maybe it was my Standardized test scores that boosted me, luckily, and I made it to High. And by golly, if only I had asked either girl out sooner, then maybe my year would have ended better. But otherwise the rest of it went by beautifully.

There's my history. I forgot about this game till recently, and now, I hope that I further improve, as well as see what people think of my writing. I have a book of my own in the works. I asked a few other kids at my school about it, and they loved it. I hope more people here will enjoy my writings.

I am all for the HA3 plan. It's going to be amazing being able to create a entire new character and back-story for HA3. I hope more people will get on board with the idea. =) I really do, its a wonderful idea since, HA2 has, seemed to just... idle in a dead space. =\ I mean, there are people on once in a while. But... i would have to say that Hyrule Adventure's 2 has reached its end. Hyrule Adventure's 3 will mark a new era. Honestly, I can't wait. =)



Yeah i know I repeat myself. v_v its a bad habit of mine i need to overcome.