there is so much unkown about midna!
is midna good or evil?
does midna have a secret identity?
can midna travel between realms?
so many questions! could there be any answers?
TP will answer them all. ;D :P
Seriously, though, Midna might be evil, or even evil turned good. And if Link can travel between the realms, why shouldn't Midna be able to also?
midna may be a reincarnation of the master sword, or an eyewitness of the master sword's creation. I think she'l have some link to the holy
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on June 13, 2006, 06:55:28 AM
TP will answer them all. ;D :P
Seriously, though, Midna might be evil, or even evil turned good. And if Link can travel between the realms, why shouldn't Midna be able to also?
cant be Midna something like Sheik? :)
It is entirely plausible. But then who really is Midna? Is she Zelda or some other woman?
WOMAN?? WTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! MIDNA ISN'T HUMAN OR HYLIAN! :o
OMG! what if midna is ganon! they said ganon would be in it but in an unexpected way right?
Quote from: newbkyng on June 13, 2006, 03:16:49 PM
WOMAN?? WTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! MIDNA ISN'T HUMAN OR HYLIAN! :o
How can you be so sure about that? I think Nintendo stated that the Twilight Realm turns Hylians into other animals or other; I think the same happened to Midna.
Oh, well. To each his own, I guess...
Midna looks strangely evil tome, but in the trailers it shows her freeinh link from his chains, so i really dont know...
hey! maybee midna is the twilight princess ???
Alex may be right, that coul be and it would fit nicely if you think about it :)
Zelda cursed! Midna...
You mean like zelda gets cursed and turns into midna? wow.... :-X
;) who nows.. maybe
anything can happen with twilight princess. it has so much potential. ;D
o i cant wait!!!
yeah! ;)
i want that game so bad, ill trade my sister for it!
Quoteis midna good or evil?
does midna have a secret identity?
can midna travel between realms?
1. Yes. Aonuma said it. But remember, the Japanese have a different view of evil.
2. I don't think so. But she's a ghost/spirit in Hyrule.
3. See above.
Is she a ghost in the twilight realm?
i think she gains form in the twilight realm, and in normal Hyrule, she is a spirit :-X
i dont think she can even enter normal Hyrule :-X
Midna can go to normal Hyrule because she gives Link information on how to complete certain things. I think she probably is a ghost/spirit in Hyrule.
like something that just communicates with you? like telepathy? :-\
Maybe. In the videos I have seen she appears, talks to Link then disappears.
maybe shes something only link can see...
Quote from: MagmarFire on June 14, 2006, 08:02:54 AM
Quote from: newbkyng on June 13, 2006, 03:16:49 PM
WOMAN?? WTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! MIDNA ISN'T HUMAN OR HYLIAN! :o
How can you be so sure about that? I think Nintendo stated that the Twilight Realm turns Hylians into other animals or other; I think the same happened to Midna.
Oh, well. To each his own, I guess...
Midna is the Master Sword, everthing that goes in the Realm turns to somthing else
Midna isn't the Master Sword. That was only a stupid rumour. As stated above, she appears on the newest video footage (in the Goron Mines), talks to you, then disappears.
And didn't you say that Link was the only thing that changed form in the Twilight Realm? Or was that he was the only human to change form?
Midna doesn't change form. She only becomes a spirit. The strictest definition of existing... that is what Aonuma said.
Quote from: alex on June 12, 2006, 07:24:58 PM
there is so much unkown about midna!
is midna good or evil?
does midna have a secret identity?
can midna travel between realms?
#1. Midna seems good 'cuz she helps u out as Wolf-Link
#2 She cud b sum1 from Hyrule but got sucked into the Twilight Realm 2
#3. Mayb, we'll just hav 2 w8 and c
please stop useing numbers in you sentences
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on June 13, 2006, 12:50:52 PM
It is entirely plausible. But then who really is Midna? Is she Zelda or some other woman?
She's not Zelda 'cause Zelda's in TP.
Quote from: TP Zelda on August 10, 2006, 01:36:37 PM
#1. Midna seems good 'cuz she helps u out as Wolf-Link
#2 She cud b sum1 from Hyrule but got sucked into the Twilight Realm 2
#3. Mayb, we'll just hav 2 w8 and c
First off, please do write properly. Just because you're on the internet and not writing for school doesn't mean you don't have to write properly.
Second off, Midna could be helping Link, but have her own agenda where she needs Link's help to complete. It doesn't look like Midna is someone from Hyrule, because she shows up as a spirit in the Goron Mines demo they showed at E3. And if she can appear to Link in the Goron Mines (which wasn't part of the Twilight Realm, by the way), she certainly can travel between the realms, but she probably can't affect Hyrule in any physical way.
Why don't we just wait and see?
Because we can discuss the possibilities der da der
QUIT THE FREAKING DER DA DER CRAP!
DER DA DER! DER DA DER! What's Der da Der?
Did I post here my theory about Midna being Ganon and Midna is trying to trick Link into freeing Ganon?
Interesting, I dont think she would be jim but maybe his servant? It is possible.
Meh, Ganon is that Moblin boss. I just know it. :-*
You may think this is weird, but before I knew that Vaati was the one with the long hair, I thought that Vaati was Midna. ;D
lol, yeah the working for Ganon idea is cool.
Wait! Do you mean Midna really works for Ganon?
We don't know What Midnas doing.
She could be Ganondorfs evil servant.
Or.
She could be sweet as pie and float around doing good deeds and such.
We are just guessing really.
But we will never know...
(well apart from when the game comes out)
Well, what did I just say.
It could be that she's helping Link, but secretly working for Ganon and she has a plan to get Link killed or something like that.
OMG! I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT! IT COULD BE! IT COULDN'T BE! WHY AM I TALKING LIKE THIS?!?!?!
By the way she looks, it looks like Midna's head is too heavy for her body. Especially with that helmet. :-\
Found this info, in a other Zelda site: "About Midna, Eiji says she won't be able to stop the Twilight Realm's progression on her own, so that's why Link is responsible to help her."
She is good! She wants to stop the Twilight Realm!
Midna is someone who saves link
And want Link, to help her, stop the Twilight Realm.
so they work as a team
I think it's the twilight form of zelda, it states that link and midna team up because midna has difficulty with her "warped form" probably meaning she isn't used to the twilight realm.
Link is the only one who changes. Besides, at this moment Midna has been shown in Hyrule, and Zelda in the Twilight Realm. Midna does not seem to be able to maintain her physical form in Hyrule.
Plus, Zelda isn't dark/twisted/evil. Miyamoto stated that Midna is ages ago. That does not, however, mean she's a villain. The Japanese have a very different view of evil. She might be more like a dark hero that fights for justice despite her 'evil' looks, or something.
I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out Midna was really Princess Zelda. Because Zelda was Sheik in OoT and Tetra in WW.
I saw a video where link has a fairy, maybe Midna appears as a fairy in normal Hyrule. ::)
I would really be dissapointed if Midna was Zelda. Both in the series and its creators. Not only could Midna be a far more interesting character than Zelda (admit it, she's kinda predictable), but it would be the third time she has an alter ego (all in the 3d games). Very original. ::)
Not to mention I thought the Sheik-Zelda one became a little dumb after she turned back into Zelda. "Oh, I'm raised by the supposedly last member of the big bad Sheikah race/tribe. I act all mysteriously and smart and I can do a few cool tricks. However, if your sword would ever be seperated from you by a wall of fire and I'd be standing next to it, I WON'T throw it back, or even attempt to do so. I will however shout when the fire wall, clearly visible to everyone, will disappear so you can come pick it up. Also, I may be able to teleport, but I run like a three-months old."
Maybe Zelda would've been able to throw the Master Sword back to Link, but she knew Link had to defeat Ganon without her help. Or maybe she knew Ganon had made it so nothing can pass through the wall of fire. Why does it have to be that she's helpless to do anything?
Why would Link have to defeat Ganon without her help? TWW Link appreciated Tetra's/Zelda's help. And it's not like Link has the exclusive right to fight Ganon(dorf). And if nothing can pass that barrier, why didn't she throw the sword over it (I don't remember the height of the wall) or magically got it on the other side or do the Sheikah transportation thing again (if that was anything special to begin with).
However, I think I would've been able to forgive her if she wouldn't scream everytime Link got hit, while she's clearly not even attempting to do anything. I don't believe she was helpless. She's Zelda after all.
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on October 12, 2006, 03:34:02 PM
Maybe Zelda would've been able to throw the Master Sword back to Link, but she knew Link had to defeat Ganon without her help. Or maybe she knew Ganon had made it so nothing can pass through the wall of fire. Why does it have to be that she's helpless to do anything?
I just say, run through the fire, then stop, drop, and roll!
Quote from: LadyNintendo on October 12, 2006, 11:26:11 PM
Why would Link have to defeat Ganon without her help? TWW Link appreciated Tetra's/Zelda's help. And it's not like Link has the exclusive right to fight Ganon(dorf).
To answer your first question, test of a hero. TWW Link is a different Link, and TWW Zelda is a different Zelda; they won't necessarily have the same personalities as their OoT counterparts. And you're right; it's not like Link has the exclusive right to fight Ganon. It's just that he's the only one who ever manages to get everything needed to defeat him.
QuoteAnd if nothing can pass that barrier, why didn't she throw the sword over it (I don't remember the height of the wall) or magically got it on the other side or do the Sheikah transportation thing again (if that was anything special to begin with).
There could be any number of reasons why Zelda couldn't get the Master Sword over to Link. But like I said, test of a hero. Sometimes, the hero has to do it alone.
QuoteHowever, I think I would've been able to forgive her if she wouldn't scream everytime Link got hit, while she's clearly not even attempting to do anything. I don't believe she was helpless. She's Zelda after all.
So, you wouldn't do anything to show concern if someone you cared for got hurt? It's pretty much human nature to show concern for people you love, and it just so happens that Zelda lets out a scream. That doesn't make her any less of a person than anyone else.
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on October 13, 2006, 07:23:25 AM
It's just that he's the only one who ever manages to get everything needed to defeat him.
Great choice of words. :)
But to get back to Link/Zelda/Ganondorf: test of a hero?!?! This isn't about Link, this is about Hyrule! Its future, its people. Not some minor peasant with an identity crisis. How about the test of royal responsibility? Didn't she even say she was the one that dragged him into this? Doesn't that give her the responsiblity to make sure he'll get out of it alive?
It's not important whether or not Link and Zelda from OOT are not the same as the ones from TWW. I do not blame Zelda for not helping Link during the fight by also fighting. She ain't Tetra. I blame her for not even attempting to do anything while she herself is apparently convinced this is all her fault and after acting like the big, mysterious "oh look, I can dissapear and leave you clueless whenever I feel like it" Sheikah. Like when she got trapped in that crystal, I don't blame her. It's not something she could've changed or avoided. Not helping in any way during the fight? Okay, after everything that has happened, that is sort of unrealistic. Even a simple "look out" would've been appreciated or an explanation why she can't do anything (if she would've been captured in a crystal, or hit unconcious with a rock, that would work too). Then again, I assume even Zelda can't defend herself against the developers. :D
Oh, I would show concern. But not by screaming all the time and only after I made sure there's absolutely nothing I can do. The usual order: Scream the name of the one in danger while looking terrified, then find a way to help and if that's not possible, try giving advice. But not screaming all the time. In fact, in the beginning, because of her screaming, I often turned away from Ganon to see if she wasn't in danger.
I do not dislike Zelda for it, I just was sort of highly dissapointed in her OOT adult version. I liked her as a kid, she was charming. I liked Sheik, because he was an alter ego like I've never seen before. But I can't match them with adult Zelda. Adult Zelda, even not looking at the fight, was a painful experience. Selfpity, I can't stand it. And the fact she thinks that just because she is the Sage Of Time she has the right to say what's supposed to happen just made me sick. You know about the Elfquest comics? A similar situation happened in it. In the comic, the elves are descendants from aliens without an own shape, that wanted to visit earth temporarly. They took on humanoid forms that matched the "medieval" humans' idea of gods and divine creatures. Something went wrong though, and they got warped back in time to a world in which the humans had barely developed intelligence. The ship crashed and they had to find a way to survive. Except for one, all died in the centuries that followed. Their descendants, the elves found out many centuries later about their true heritage. One of them, Rayek, decided he wanted to prevent the timewarp from ever happening, so that the "High Ones" would not have to die. All elves who would be aboard the ship would survive this manipulation of events. He thought he had the right to decide what is the good thing to happen and that he had the right to make that happen. Another elf, Cutter, told him that whether it was good or bad what happened, it happened and that justified it. While I see more lives saved than lost by what Zelda decided to do, as opposed to what Rayek wanted to do, it is not fair. Sometimes, bad things happen, but that's just the way it is. I haven't seen her prevent the war before OOT either. She never asked what Link wanted. She said she dragged him into it, but even while she's saying that, she continues to drag him into it. I would expect more of the holder of the Triforce Of Wisdom.
Okay, but you probably shouldn't assume that she didn't try to help. After all, you should be preoccupied with fighting Ganon, not seeing what Zelda is doing. As far as we know, she could've tried everything in her power to help Link, but couldn't because Ganon was too strong. Link had to weaken him first before Zelda could do anything about it.
Well, one thing's for sure: as soon as we get TP and figure out who Midna REALLY is, then all our questions will be answered! :)
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on October 14, 2006, 01:59:23 PM
Okay, but you probably shouldn't assume that she didn't try to help. After all, you should be preoccupied with fighting Ganon, not seeing what Zelda is doing. As far as we know, she could've tried everything in her power to help Link, but couldn't because Ganon was too strong. Link had to weaken him first before Zelda could do anything about it.
I didn't assume anything, I've never seen/hear/notice her do anything. That is concluding. But you've given me something to think about. You do have a point.
Of course she doesn't do anything. The N64 doesn't have an advanced AI.<_< Notice that she DO help him in the first ever Zelda game with an advanced AI.