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Zelda Games => Link to the Past => Topic started by: Mysterious F. on June 17, 2006, 08:10:59 PM

Title: Agahnim is Ganon.
Post by: Mysterious F. on June 17, 2006, 08:10:59 PM
Proof: 1) Take a look at this picture of Agahnim http://hyrulerealm.guardianarchives.com/Official/LttP2/Agahnim.jpg    notice he has claws like Ganon, skin like Ganon, and eyes like Ganon. 2) How else can he use that magic and go to the Dark Realm all the time. 3) After you beat him in Ganon's Tower, you see a faint and short Ganon figure rising from his body before the bat comes. 4) When you fight Ganon, he says "It's unbelievable that you defeated my alter ego, Agahnim the Dark Wizard, twice!"    All together, he's Ganon.
Title: Re:Agahnim is Ganon.
Post by: JDog on June 17, 2006, 08:31:55 PM
Good point, it does look like him, a little.
Title: Re:Agahnim is Ganon.
Post by: Mysterious F. on June 17, 2006, 08:33:36 PM
And Ganon said so, which is automatically proof that they're the same person.
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Post by: Gamefreak on June 18, 2006, 09:57:33 AM
I always assumed Ganon was just posessing Aganhim's body for the duration of the game.  But what you said makes sense.
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Post by: Marcamillian on June 22, 2006, 12:27:09 PM
good evidence.. however... this begs the question what the hell was gannon trying to do by kidnapping the maidens? I thought it was to free gannon... bt if gannon was Agahnim surely he's already free!
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Post by: ReFried ReDead on June 22, 2006, 07:59:06 PM
I would consider him a weaker form of ganondorf
Title: Re:Agahnim is Ganon.
Post by: Mysterious F. on June 23, 2006, 10:44:33 PM
Well, Ganon was probably trying to get the Sages into the Dark World so he can make sure they couldn't go anywhere, seeing as he owns the Dark World, he'd be able to hide them in secure areas. Also, Agahnim is Ganon's alter ego, meaning they're kinda the same person, but with different personalities and stuff.
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Post by: Darth Wyndisis on June 23, 2006, 10:51:30 PM
What is up with the symbol on Agahnim's cloak?  It looks like the Sheikah Eye.
Title: Re:Agahnim is Ganon.
Post by: Mysterious F. on June 23, 2006, 11:00:16 PM
It could be some dark, evil symbol.
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Post by: Gamefreak on June 24, 2006, 05:06:33 PM
Well there's using your brain.  An evil dark symbol.
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Post by: Nabooru on July 10, 2006, 12:42:33 PM
I like gannon better than him so good.
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Post by: Zelda Veteran on July 20, 2006, 06:27:54 PM
It is kind of wierd. The evidence all points in the same direction, but whats with the eye on his clothes? You should sctually look for that symbol somewhere else. Ill look through the compendium/bestiary to see what i can find.
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Post by: Hi no Seijin on July 21, 2006, 06:29:02 AM
Um, it's spelled Ganon, not Gannon.

Also, I looked up alter ego.  I got:

1:  a second self; a perfect substitute or deputy:  The adviser of the president acts as his alter ego during his absence.

2:  an inseparable friend.

Just because Agahnim is Ganon's alter ego doesn't mean they are the same person.  Besides, Ganon couldn't leave the Dark World, possessing someone or reincarnated.  Agahnim was in the Light World trying to get Ganon to come back to the Light World.  When Agahnim went to the Dark World, he was possessed by Ganon, who was probably ticked off at Agahnim for not killing Link.
Title: Re:Agahnim is Ganon.
Post by: Mysterious F. on August 09, 2006, 03:14:18 PM
Well take a look at the character Yugi Mutou in the TV show Yu-Gi-Oh! (I hate the show now, but I use to watch it), he has two personnalities, small and shy, and courageous and dangerous. Bakura is also like that. But the extra personnalities are in the same bodies as Yugi and Bakura.

  Also, Agnahim and Ganon are probably not friends, judging by their personnalities, so it must be two, a second SELF.
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Post by: MagmarFire on August 09, 2006, 07:39:30 PM
Okay, but if Agahnim was killed after the second battle with Link, how'd Ganon be able to fight him? I'm saying this as if Agahnim were Ganon.
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Post by: Knil on August 14, 2006, 09:09:39 AM
Maybe Ganon's alter ego, Aganihm(?), was just a portion of Ganon's power.
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Post by: Mister J Sinister on August 14, 2006, 05:20:02 PM
I always had assumed that Ganon was simply posessing Aganhim's body, and his appearance over his body after you defeat Aganhim' is just showing that he was behind all of Aganhim's actions over the course of the game.

But I'll tell you where your logic fails; Aganhim, if hes an alter ego, he isn't ganon, hes an ALTER ego, even if they share the same body, hes someone else.

And in the Japanese version Aganhim was a priest, not a wizard. Which could possibly mean Aganhim was once a normal person, who probably ran into Ganon and then was twisted to his evil ways, and with the whole light/dark world Ganon needed someone to manipulate the light world he couldn't enter.

Or, like you were possibly implying earlier, Ganon created Aganhim as an alter mindset(and shared Ganon's original body and kept it in human form til Aganhim was defeated releasing Ganon and creating Ganon's darkworld body, the giant Pig.

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Post by: Mysterious F. on October 12, 2006, 12:27:55 PM
At times, the alter ego can completely over power the other and then control them without switching egos.
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Post by: collaboration on January 07, 2007, 09:54:11 AM
>>     Agahnim is Ganon.


...Well, yeah.  :-[  I didn't know this was in question.
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Post by: LadyNintendo on January 08, 2007, 01:55:48 AM
I admit I prefer the idea of them being two different persons, both mind and body.

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1) notice he has claws like Ganon, skin like Ganon, and eyes like Ganon. 2) How else can he use that magic and go to the Dark Realm all the time. 3) After you beat him in Ganon's Tower, you see a faint and short Ganon figure rising from his body before the bat comes. 4) When you fight Ganon, he says "It's unbelievable that you defeated my alter ego, Agahnim the Dark Wizard, twice!"

1. What version of Ganon are we talking about?
2. The way Zant could use some of Ganon's strength and he Zant's?
3. That doesn't mean he was with him/in his body the whole time.
4. He is a priest. Maybe he meant alter-ego as the person who does the things on his behalf in the Light World?
Title: Re:Agahnim is Ganon.
Post by: Mysterious F. on January 25, 2007, 04:09:35 PM
You guys give too much credit to words. If they meant something other than a second self in one's body, then they would have had him say something else. Also, I mean LTTP Ganon, and they never planned for TP to come out when they released LTTP, so it's possible that he would have been the only one like that in the Zelda Universe.

Also, it has been confirmed, that the miniboss of the fourth temple in OOS in Agahnim (I spelled it right this time!)
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Post by: Vaati on July 16, 2007, 12:20:52 PM
He reminds me of Ganon, yes. There's quite a resemblense, is there not? My sister actually though Agahnim was Ganon until I told her. Then again, she thought Vaati's eyeball form was a Keese.