The Desert Colossus

I noticed some political tention bubbling up in the Korea Bomb post. Rather than go off topic, lets duke it out here. My Family voted for Al Gore. And then for John Kerry. I believe Bush cheated the elections. There are many things that point to the fact, that bush is as dumb as a post. I am not insulting anyone. im just voicing my opinion. ill be back with funny clips! :D

aham... remember me? i'm bulgarian, and i now foor Bush and Kerry, but you don't now nothing for the bulgarian president, so... ;D lets do the chicken dance!

works for me! But first! Lets see how bush compares to a monkey! link (http://forums.vugames.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/8-13707-143275-4739/bush%20monkey%20JPEG.JPG)
I love this site! :P

 ;)strange, and funny ;D

I'm for bush but i will admit he's not the sharpest tool in the shed. Now i'm not into polotics as much as some people here but the way I see the war is we thought there were WMD's so we had the right to go check it out and then we decided to go after Saddam in hopes of stopping terrorism

I agree with you.  And good came out of it too.  We kicked Saddam's butt out of power, killed his sons, and now we are trying to fix the mess, which is the responsible thing to do.  That country desperatly needed to be rebuilt, so we smashed it with a hammer, and now we are putting the pieces back together.  Democracy takes a long time to develope.  But believe me, the people who aren't blowing themselves up like idiots want a free country.

I don't like Our primeminister, Tony Blair. 10 years in Labour and he still aint delivered!
The queen ROCKS though, but she has no power :(

I have a more profound opinion than my friend, Truthinite, but it is the same belief..  Basically, we were attacked.  I don't get how liberals expect to take that sitting down.  Not only was Saddam a potential suspect for the 9/11 attacks, but he also called for the killings of hundreds of thousands of Shiites.  Also, the media never focuses on the positives of the war.  You'll just hear, "2 soldiers were killed in Iraq today".  There are good things going on in Iraq too people.  People are able to vote, women are gaining rights, and overall, it's a safer place.  Also, we've captured Saddam, killed his sons, killed Musab Al Zarqawi, and we've captured the planner of the 9/11 attacks.  I agree we have every right, to quote George Bush, "To stay the course".  I don't see how liberals in Congress can call for a pullout when we are making serious progress in Iraq.  I'm not saying we can eliminate terrorism forever, because it is human nature to sin and create destruction.  But we can make efforts to supress it in places like North Korea and Iran.

And George Bush isn't as stupid as people make him out to be.  A lot of it is a smear campaign.  It was like ... who was the guy who couldn't spell potato?  There was a big stir up because he failed to spell a word correctly, and it ruined his political career, or something like that.  If I am correct, George Bush has dyslexia, or something like that, and therefore mispronounces words (i.e. "nuclear").  That doesn't make him stupid.

Basically it's like this.

Liberals are allowed to run smear campaigns that demean Republicans at all costs.

But when Republicans make REAL insults against Democrats, then the Democrats go crazy and start playing their "cards". (you know what I mean).

When I had to be the head of the Labour party (our countries leading party) in our class election I looked into the War to find its good points. Women used to be stoned in the streets and as Gamefreak says people now have rights and freedom of choice. I think they should think about sending in more unarmed people who can help the people, start up schools, hospitals and show the Iraqi people we want to help them. This may help in gradually pulling troops out. My friend was terrified when her Dad was told he would have to go to Saddams palace, luckily he didnt in the end and families everywhere want their loved ones back.
The only thing I criticise is that there was no evidence at all that Iraq had WMD there was no proof. But it was for the best that troops were sent, nut now I think we should start seeing better results.

Your point is valid but it's arguable at best.  Saddam did have the tools to make nuclear bombs.

The main difference between liberals and conservative is that conservatives have the opinions... liberals preach theirs.  I was over at a buddy's house, we were sitting around a fire in the back yard.  His drunk union worker neighbor came over and started preaching to us how he hates George Bush and the entire Republican party.  He told us to vote responsibly and not vote for Dick DeVos, Granholm's competition for governor in Michigan, and he went on, and on, and on.  Then he started talking crap about the military, and my friend is going to the Naval Academy.  I just got really ticked off and didn't talk.

I didn't know that.
I still think they shouldn't have said that Iraq had the weapons, it worried a lot of people. It was misleading to people who would otherwise have been against the war. But, as I said though I am against war, especially that which is unnecesary and because of peoples greed (World war two etc.), I think something had to be done abot Saddam and his country who lived in fear of him and is torture. Like the time his troops shot a whole field of people, and how he hung someone by their thumbs and dipped them in boiling oil.

My liberal enemies. >:(

Hillary Clinton
Bill Clinton
Jimmy Carter(bad president, good man)
John Kerry
Howard Dean
Ted Kennedy
Tom Daschle

The only good Democrat I know is Joe Lieberman.  He has consistently supported the war in Iraq.

Yeah but for all the bad leaders there are some good ones.
Like Martin Luther King, he was awesome.
And Ghandi
And Nelson Mandela
They were all great!

I was talking about my Liberal enemies.  And earlier, did you say that World War 2 was unnesecary?

Yeah it was me.
It started because Germany wanted eastern domination, and England as well as other countries said they couldn't. If Hitler etc hadn't been so greedy there would have been  no need for War.
I didnt mean we shouldnt have tried to Stop them  if thats what you thought.
I meant if Hitler (and other people of course) wasnt such a greedy, violent person. A load of people could have survived.

Well, I don't want to start up a religious debate as well, so I'll spare you most of what I usually say to something like this.

It's in human nature to commit crimes.  There's always going to be some evil lunatic out there wanting world domination.  As I said before.  World Peace is nothing but a pipe dream.

I guess so. It would be pretty cool if World Peace existed though!
Anyway more politics, yumyum.
ummm....
What are your views on communism?
I think it could work but there are so many things that can go wrong, just look at North Korea ( The people who have hardly enough to live on) and Animal Farm ( We are all equal but some are more equal than others).
And it would be unfair for say a doctor to be paid the same as a garbage collector. You would have to work the laws out a lot for communism to work.

Communism fails.  If you take for example, The Soviet Union fell because of economic collapse.  They had spent all their money.  

What about Cuba, did it work there? I don't know if it has but you dont hear anything awful about them.

I dont like bush, but his father was good but I like him more than who he was running against.I despise Malcolm X but Martin Luther King Jr. was good. And Im not a fan of hilary clinton but shes showing what women can do.

Yeah, Malcom X wanted violence to achieve equal rights.  And I'm not justifying what we did in the 60's, but two wrongs don't make a right.

*Evil laughter*  Join the Dark Side! (http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/17422264481.jpg&s=x2)

I will never join wait 2 late

UGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

i cant stand Hilary Clinton!!!!!!!!!! Shes so annoying!!!! >:( >:(

WWII was nessecary because Hitler was killing countless Jews (what i don't get is that we kindly overlooked stalin's purges) Now I might get flammed for this but in my oppinion Hitler was brilliant. Not the way he did things during the war but how he came to power. He was able to spot out a flaw in the country(depression) and blame it on someone and all while he was in prison(I didn't mean to offend anyone with that) And we entered the war because we were bombed by Japan for no reason.

'nough said

I didn't mean we shouldn't have don anything about it but it was unecessary for Hitler to be so cruel and if he wasn't mean to the jews there would have been no need for the war.

Some people are jerks.  No one could stop Hitler from being a jerk, he just was.

Hitler took power using depression as an advantage point. He instilled thoughts of revenge against England and France using the unjust tretment of germany in the Treaty of Versailles that they bestowed upon them. hiutler really decided to take power at a very opputune time (for him)

Which is why i think he was a genius.

Yes, regardless of how big an *** he was, Hitler was a genious.  

Try this for an experiment.  Use this code and add up all the numbers for HITLER.

A = 0
B = 1
C = 2
D = 3
E = 4
F = 5
G = 6
H = 7
I = 8
J = 9
K = 10
L =  11
M = 12
N = 13
O = 14
P = 15
Q = 16
R = 17
S = 18
T = 19
U = 20
V = 21
W = 22
X = 23
Y = 24
Z = 25

That is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy creepy man. thats to weird to be a coincidence. :-*

That's 66, and that means???

Satan...the devil...bad stuff.. :'(

SO Hitler was evil and a genious at the same time. but wouldnt the world be better if he never exsisted?

A lot of people thought him to be the Anti-Christ, which is a logical assessment.

Oh, wait.  You were supposed to get 666.  Maybe I didn't do the code right.  I think it may be 0, 10, 11, 12, ...

That's a bit off though, the number for satan is 666 (i know gamefreak will comment, no offense dude) and this number is only recognized by the catholic religion. I am not part of this religion(i am a methodist) therefore it doesn't really freak me out.

ooo well if ur not christian then it wont scare you, no...

View my edit.  I saw somewhere there was a code where it came up 666.

Another Edit: That explains the correct code.  http://www.rudhar.com/religion/beast666.htm

MK, this is how christianity goes

Now see how  methodist is in the prodestant sect of christianity? I said i was a methodist and i went through confirmation and baptism. I think i might be christian. Now hopefully we can get back on topic

I have a new political topic to debate: The war on terror. How do you feel abou it?

I think that terrorism will never end. To quote gamefreak "World peace is just a pipe dream"

But i think we are winning we've captured Saddam and killed Al Zarquaiwi(sp) next up on the chopping block is Osama himself when we get him.

1. Truthinite, everybody on that list is a Christian.  Anybody who believes in Jesus Christ and that he died for our sins, is a Christian.

2. And yes, we can never stop terrorism, we can just do our best to supress it whenever we can.

I know that everyone who believes in christ dying for us is a christian we go to the same church.

But i'm being super, super serial let's get back on topic

The Taliban in Pakistan has called for a ceasefire.

Good, now there might be a surendering from the taliban in pakistan and maybe info on the wherabouts of Bin Laden

It's just a ceasefire.

Each side will never give up.
The terrorists believe what they are doing is right just as the Americans and English etc. think that they are bringing peace.
These extremists want their countries freedom just as much as the other side do. But they have different ideas of how they want it.

i think that the terrorists will keep fighting until we annihalate all of them. they're so brainwashed, they wont stop until they're all dead.

Well seeing as that's their way of fighting that just may be the case MK

Well, I believe that Japan told the same thing to their people during World War 2.

that is what they said and look what happened to them.

History Repeats itself

Good job putting together that analogy Truthinite.

Thank my freshman World History teacher Mr. Kloasterman.

He had so many useful info-nuggets!

The terrorists will fall just as the nazi and the japanese did during WW2. Its only a matter of time...

Though cliche it's true.  The good guy always wins.

No one can defeat the red, white, and blue!

;D ;D ;D

 ;D ;D ;D

So when do you think well catch Osama Bin Laden??

It depends.  We may be closing in on him I think is what I heard.

;D

;D

;D

If we never capture him, he may die due to 2 possible reasons:

1-he will die pof old age
2-he will die of a kidney-related disease ( i heard that he had some kidney problems)

Well Saddam was in a bad state when we found him.  So I think that Osama may meet the same fate.

That would be awesome.
HEY, does anyone here live in the Tri-State area?

No offence to any of you but at least try to see the terrorists point of view it is like China invading America wiping out your troops and you're saying no one would rebel. You are being very Oh Yeah america can beat everyone. like you think you are a superior race, in fact you bear a certain likeness to nazis with your "We are the power" view.

Why would we want to see the Terrorist's point of views?  They killed thousands of our people, and you think we should not do anything about it?

yeah, they killed countless people for dumb reasons!


An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth!

The same issue is brought up(I'm sad to say it) in Star Wars episode 3.  In which Padme says "Have you ever considered that we may be the bad guys in this"  But it's clear that "Their point of view" is establishing a regime that slaughters their own people and uses nuclear weapons to keep other nations paralyzed by fear.  So you know what Twilight Zelda, I did look at thier point of view, and I feel even stronger about this.

You killed a ton of their people.
And anyway if you are Christian ( I know after I mentioned the DaVinci code) I thought Jesus said embrace your enemies and ignore the saying "an eye for an eye etc.
And think about if a country took America over you wouldn't take it lying down after all your no one can defeat us.

We're not perfect.  We make mistakes.  So what Jesus would want, is not always what we do.  The fact remains that they slaughter thier own people to instill fear in their people.  

OK I have no religion so I guess I make no mistakes! lol jk. I dont praise the terrorists I think they are stupid but wouldn't every country Rebel if taken over by another?

A revolution isn't always bad.  Take for example, the American Revolution.

But a revolution doesn't have to have fighting. A revolution just means a change in government. Like when russia became democratic.

4,400 people died in the American revolution.
And the terrorists ( not the extremists) want freedom from American/British rule.  Is there so much wrong with that. In no way am I justifingwhat they have done and the bloodshed they have caused.

It seems like you're trying to justify it.  If we leave the terrorists alone, they'll attack us again.  To quote the Al Queda terrorists they caught in Miami  a few days ago.  "We want to kill all the Devils in the West".

THERE IS NO WAY I am justifying it.
I just hate your whole red-blooded americans who are better than everyone else attitude and how you refer to the terrorists like filth and lesser people.

First of all, since when have I sounded like I've said that I think America is better than everyone?  And secondly, the terrorists aren't lesser people, they're just people who have made MUCH worse mistakes.

You said:

QuoteThough cliche it's true.  The good guy always wins.

And others have said

QuoteNo one beats the Red White and blue

and

QuoteWe shall anihalate them all

In the terrorists eyes they are the good people.

I didn't say a couple of those things.  And, what IS good and what people think is good, are two totally different things.

yeah TZ i said the second one. And America isn't perfect

Here's a few examples:
Vietnam war
Watergate
Monica Lewinsky.

No Country is it's just me and GF have great pride in our nation.

QuoteI didn't say a couple of those things.

Thats why I said after your quote "others have said".

Therefore no one is good, we all think we are good but in other peoples eyes we are not good and pathetic and vice-versa.
Lets talk about something else now as i am vair vair bored, we are going round in circles.

Ok, Truman's desicison to drop the bomb?
sensible or not?

I don't know...
I guess I think it was wrong but I don't know the alternative, I mean generations have been poisoned by that bomb but the Americans said the Japanese would have fought till the death any way.

Yes they would have and if we didn't drop the bombs we would have lost countless lives.

Once again, I am capable of delivering another Star Wars quote that pertains to this.

Obi-Wan: Anakin, come to your senses! Emperor Palpatine is evil!
Anakin: From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!
Obi-Wan: Well then, you truly are lost!

Yay! And i can quote Klosterman again!

Everything has to do with history!

Dropping the nuke on hiroshima and nagasaki was a good idea in WW2, it was really the only way to force Japan to surrender

or we could have waited untill the USSR got to hitler.

Also we could have fought it out which would have killed tons of americans.

precisley, thats why dropping a nuclear bobm was smarter and more effiecient

No one is perfect. America gets mad at germany bombing a passenger ship during world war 2. thats what it says in our history text books. They made a mistake. they told us how big the ship was. A ship that big is not for passengers. America was actually playing dirty, by shipping supplies over to other countries. people dont know that there ARE rules to war. And we broke one. thats why we were bombed. Our nation covers up our history. our bad history anyways. If america's citizens were opened up to the complete truth, there wouldnt be those, "America is better than everyone" Kind of people. All everybody wants is peace. however not everyone cooperates. We all have a purpouse to fulfill. We just dont know what just yet. It could be someone from this very site that ends war, or world hunger. we just have to hope and pray. Like it says on U.S. coin. In god we trust.

Quote from: Gamefreak on June 26, 2006, 02:47:31 PM
Once again, I am capable of delivering another Star Wars quote that pertains to this.

Obi-Wan: Anakin, come to your senses! Emperor Palpatine is evil!
Anakin: From my point of view, the Jedi are evil!
Obi-Wan: Well then, you truly are lost!

George Bush (after shocking Ted Kennedy to death) Every, single liberal, including that professor at that Ivy League university, is now an enemy of the State.

If only that could happen.

ZV is right. But ironically our money says in god we trust but the liberals are always fighting about religion in schools but barely talk about the money we use every day.

Leberals are trying to tear down every religious reference in the public to make it "politically correct" and quite frankly, it sickens me.

Yes, and what's with granting amnesty to illegal immigrants?

I agree with ZV my country has done some pretty dirty and unlawful things. Yet we learn hardly any of it. For example we are doing the Native Americans in History, and it wasn't till we watched the film Little Big man that we saw how awful we were to the NA. Same when we watched Zulu, for gods sake it is there land not ours.  

Quote from: masterkey4892 on June 27, 2006, 08:06:37 AM
Leberals are trying to tear down every religious reference in the public to make it "politically correct" and quite frankly, it sickens me.

Being politically correct means always having to say you're sorry. ::)

Quote from: Gamefreak on June 27, 2006, 09:22:06 AM
Yes, and what's with granting amnesty to illegal immigrants?

I know, all they do is come to america and take our jobs.

It's getting ridiculous.  In some places it's politically "incorrect" to file somebody's race when filing a police report.

It takes 250,001 Americans to screw in a lightbulb.  1 to do it..and 250,000 to debate if it was politcally correct.  ;D

Thank God we still have shows pushing the envelope for political correctness.  

You want a politically incorrect show?  Watch The Boondocks on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim.

And Mind of Mencia on Comedy central.

I think we should do more to help illegal immigrants by making it a lot easier to be legal and help support them. They are fleeing poverty and warfare. If Britain turned sour like that I would want to move as quickly as possible and I would hope other countries would help me start a new life.

I'm not sure about this, but I think it isn't too hard to become a U.S citizen.  You shouldn't pardon somebody who has commited a crime.

Illegal immigrants aren't criminals. They just want to get away from poverty or war. Do you have to pay to become a citizen?

They are entering the country illegaly, becoming immigrants, composite word, illegal immigrants.

To be fair, the way its going, people may be better off somewhere besides the U.S. somewhere in the near future.

QuoteThey are entering the country illegaly, becoming immigrants, composite word, illegal immigrants.

I know what the words mean, but thats like saying people who smoke in non-smoking areas are criminals and that they should have less rights.
I just think if I was in the immigrants situation I would want other countries to at least let me live there.
And they dont steal citizens jobs, if a person gets a job it means that person is more suited to it, it is almost impossible to STEAL something like a job.  

But in places like mexico jobs are limited. So they come up here and offer to do the jobs for less money so they are much more likely to get hired in out money-driven society.

Also, even if by your logic they aren't criminals, they are coming here and becoming criminals.

Yes in America we have certain procedures that you must follow in order to become a citizen.

have you heard about the stupid new law they are trying to pass about even if imigrants set foot on land, they have to go back? people were really upset about it. >:(

Well of course some people will be upset.  If there's one thing I've learned,  you can't impress everyone.

You can impress some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.

I feel like renewing this, I'm up for another round.

Quote from: x*TwilightZelda*x on June 26, 2006, 11:40:13 AM
THERE IS NO WAY I am justifying it.
I just hate your whole red-blooded americans who are better than everyone else attitude and how you refer to the terrorists like filth and lesser people.

Im canadian :D ;)

Quote from: Zelda Veteran on June 27, 2006, 08:12:35 PM
have you heard about the stupid new law they are trying to pass about even if imigrants set foot on land, they have to go back? people were really upset about it. >:(

well thats a stupid law, what if you come here legally then you have to go back?

They probably mean illeagals.

And I doubt legal immigrants just walk across.

This is refreshing compared to what the debating club at our school talk about!
I think we should give immigrants a chance to get away from their lives of misery and welcome them in, not send them away with no more than they left with.

Send them to france!

The French would just throw onions at them  ::)
I am going to France with my school soon and I have to be at my school for 6:00 AM ARGH!! ???

I've been to france with school.
History or language?