I know we all know about Impa, Zelda's protector, but what about the other Sheikah? I know Impa said they died out but what if they worked behind closed doors? Maybe they helped bring back Ganon? That could be what the tear stands for. It could stand for the Sheikah that turned bad. If you notice Sheik helps Link out more in OoT than in any other game. She could be making up for it. That might be why the symbol is in the Forsaken Fortress in WW and why it's on Agahnim's cloak. I could be totally wrong on my opinion, but it's free to post. I personally like some opinions.
Quote from: Knil on August 14, 2006, 09:24:14 AM
I know we all know about Impa, Zelda's protector, but what about the other Sheikah? I know Impa said they died out but what if they worked behind closed doors? Maybe they helped bring back Ganon? That could be what the tear stands for. It could stand for the Sheikah that turned bad. If you notice Sheik helps Link out more in OoT than in any other game. She could be making up for it. That might be why the symbol is in the Forsaken Fortress in WW and why it's on Agahnim's cloak. I could be totally wrong on my opinion, but it's free to post. I personally like some opinions.
Sheik is Zelda so,that's why she helped him.
that is am intresting idea...
Sheik was only in OoT. He wasn't in any other Zelda game. And if you do talk about Sheik, refer to him as a he, not a she. We all know now that Sheik is really Zelda, but Sheik is a boy. Zelda is a girl.
I know Sheik is Zelda and vice-versa. I beat Oot at least 10 times. Sheik is a boy/alter ego of Zelda, ok whatever.That's not the issue. The issue is Zelda/Sheik doesn't help you in any other Zelda game as much as OoT. Somethin' has to be goin' on and I didn't refer to him as a her (at least I don't think I did).
No, you called Sheik a she. And of course Sheik helped Link more in OoT than any other game. Sheik was only in OoT.
Sheik's alter-ego is Zelda. Zelda has not helped link as much as in OoT than in any other game, but I don't care about Sheik or Zelda. I didn't think OoT was very good or fun besides the storyline. Personally I want to know about the Sheikah! >:( :'(
First off, Sheik is a disguise used by Zelda in OoT. Just as Batman is Bruce Wayne's alter ego, Sheik is Zelda's alter ego. Further more, you make it sound like there is only one Zelda and one Link in the whole series. There isn't. Far too much time takes place between games for there to be one Zelda and Link. And then there is the fact that Link and Zelda meet for the first time in quite a few games.
Who doesn't want to know more about the Sheikah? But Nintendo is making them very true to themselves by not revealing anything about them.
In most of the Zelda games, Zelda was merely a princess in need of help, almost always trapped in stone or kidnapped somewhere. In OOT Zelda was only a Sheik out of circumstance.
In LTTP she helps you briefly by pushing aside a large and heavy sword ornament to access the sewer.
In OOT its said by one of the Stones of Truth(or someone) that "Zelda, despite her appearance, shes actually quite the tomboy!" so Zelda could've been and most likely was trained by Impa to take the disguise of a Sheik. She only appeared as a Sheik in this one, but I doubt Impa or Zelda had anything to do with Ganons...Well considering that he wasn't even Ganon by then, and most sheik were already dead I don't see how he could be brought back at all.
Zelda helps you again in Wind Waker. This time though shes a pirate this time, this doesn't mean that there are pirates going about resurrecting Ganon.
Edit: Though, in one of the uncanon mangas it shows Sheik/Zelda is actually working for Ganon, but only as a guise to get closer to him without Ganon finding out that she is actually the carrier of the wisdom triforce.
First of all, I said Sheik is Zelda's Alter-ego in the first sentence. Secondly, I have about six or seven Zeldas and Links. I never said there was just one. Thirdly, I said Sheik/Zelda helps you the MOST in OoT, not that she didn't in the other games. Fourthly, I never said Sheik or Impa helped Ganon revive, but the "supposedly" dead Sheikah did, and I'm only saying that they did in OoT, but they're there right before WW, so that explains the symbol, and Ganon could've killed them before because of their failure.
I'm not saying you're wrong. And now I realise the topic is about the Sheikah and not Sheik. So sorry if I offended you.
I simply mean to say; In OOT Ganondorf is shown for once as a human, and during his rise to power, So I don't see how the Sheik would at any time be able to bring Ganon back if he was just starting out. Though its entirely possible they had dark dealings before and were destroyd because of them, I'm not an expert on the Sheik.
and that in the recent Zelda games, that Zelda actually has been playing a helpful role alongside Link. Sheik only appears in OOT because thats the only Zelda that was trained to be a Sheikah. Thats probably why she helped.
----I misunderstood your entire first post, it sounded to me like you were pushing that Sheik only helps you during OOT because ancient Sheikah helped resurect ganon, not that later on Sheikah that Zelda doesn't know help ressurect Ganon in WW.
Though I'll tell you another thing about that tear, There was a similar theory, again in the uncanon manga. About how bad traitor sheikah drew a tear under their eye to show their shame or something.
Quote from: Knil on August 14, 2006, 06:10:59 PM
First of all, I said Sheik is Zelda's Alter-ego in the first sentence.
No, you said Zelda is Sheik's alter ego.
QuoteSecondly, I have about six or seven Zeldas and Links. I never said there was just one.
And I said you made it sound like you had one Link and Zelda. You may have had it clear in your mind, but it was not clear on the proverbial paper.
QuoteThirdly, I said Sheik/Zelda helps you the MOST in OoT, not that she didn't in the other games.
Okay, we know Sheik is Zelda, but he's not used in other games. Stop making it sound like he was.
That explains Impa being the sage to the Shadow/Dark temple, but seriously I'm am extremely sorry for offending both of you. :'( Zelda didn't help you as much as in any other game. I sounded like an a**hole( you can type that right?) there.So want to drop this topic. If I can, how do you do that?
Actually, I thought I had offended you. .__.
But no harm done. You haven't offended me.
I am simply confused by the point you are trying to make.
Well the point is , I'm here to make friends not enemies. Let's just leave the Zelda/Sheik thing out for now. Also, I found it weird that a group protecting the royal would have such a dark dungeon in OoT. Personally, I think they should've made Impa the Spirit Sage and Nabooru the Desert Sage. That justs makes more sense to me.
I'm not the kind of person who hates you for trying to help.
The Sheikah were guarders of Hyrule, and there was a great big war before OOT started. Most of them were probably patrons or citizens of Kariko village, and were buried behind the royal tomb, as a memorial.
I think the boss, Bongo Bongo was a spirit lord who showed(or beat his drum) to show spirits the way to the underworld or some sort of otherworldly service.
Though the tear'd eye might be a sign of shame, it might be a sign of remeberance to their dead comrades.
Since it wouldn't make sense for a tribe of people to resurrect a Gerudo prince who hadn't even taken over Hyrule yet or become the Ganon we've all come to know. It'd be like if we lived in 1910 and were a tribe of voodoo priests and wanted to ressurect hitler before he ever rose to power.
I hope that clears up whatever we're talking about.
Except it takes a lot of spirit to live in the desert. And I'm sorry if I offended you. It's so easy to take something trivial seriously.
And Bongo Bongo could very well not be one of Ganon's minion. After all, Gohdan in TWW wasn't.
As for the darkness of the Shadow Temple, it was said that the Shadow Temple has a bloody history. If the Shadow Temple was more like a memorial for those people who lost their lives in a war, then I suppose that could count. However, that wouldn't explain the guillotines. Of course, being a Sheikah temple, and the Sheikah being the Shadow People, the illusions are a given.
The tear beneath the Sheikah eye. It could be shame. It could be sorrow for fallen comrades. I guess it's all up to the interpretion of the player.
Personly, I don't think the Sheikah as a race would work for Ganon. If they were evil at one point or had, I guess we could say a cult dedicated to evil, it would be for their own ends, not Ganon's.
IF I may be allowed to continue this topic, and present my own theories...
In the well of Kakariko Village, you notice many dark things that linger in the shadow. THe shadow of the illusion does take from the eye, between what lies in this world and the shadow. The representation of the sheikah is as to mystery. Before the war and events leading up to the war, it can be said that the sheikah were symbols of shadow, but not of evil. That man is meant to give meaning to the surface, would it not be that the sheikah would know of the blood lurking below the skin? That man's life on the surface takes by breath of the open air, we see that the sheikah give voice to those cries below not to forget.
The very symbol that we take as the eye of truth, is a seal of secret sin. That we can see that sin's illusions with dead eyes make the passing of the ways all the more secret. The multiplying symbols and images of the dead take to a sorrow of remembrance and forgiving. And there is the war, the vast burning war across the brink of time. and thus they speak of the dark sin of night, blood was spilt across this land in purifier's lust. And the same blood across the bones, look to me and tell me that you were not faced with the warden of king. To be the one dying, but failing to protect the living as they were, simply because, the images of the fallen one's in distant memory scars the soul with tears...
A hundred times the king has died, and to each a thousand deaths. They lust for power, they lust for strength, but tellme brother, if they would only lust for those departed without a name?
Look to the eye of the burning well. Look inside the temple'd haze, look in there within the future, and tell me that you can see the color of the well with the seal's stained by blood?
The instruments of torture are within the body of loss. Unable to move, unable to speak, but taking as dead wardens to those who behold the eye. THe sorrow is the name of flesh, and the sin, the image of the dying child facing the wars, when to guard meant more than living as leaving is to the dying sun.
Don't be sorry, I thought I offended you guys. I think we know now they didn't help Ganon, I was trying to throw an idea with the Sheikah symbol in WW, so maybe they we're thieves.
Quote from: darkphantomime on August 15, 2006, 01:14:17 AM
IF I may be allowed to continue this topic, and present my own theories...
In the well of Kakariko Village, you notice many dark things that linger in the shadow. THe shadow of the illusion does take from the eye, between what lies in this world and the shadow. The representation of the sheikah is as to mystery. Before the war and events leading up to the war, it can be said that the sheikah were symbols of shadow, but not of evil. That man is meant to give meaning to the surface, would it not be that the sheikah would know of the blood lurking below the skin? That man's life on the surface takes by breath of the open air, we see that the sheikah give voice to those cries below not to forget.
The very symbol that we take as the eye of truth, is a seal of secret sin. That we can see that sin's illusions with dead eyes make the passing of the ways all the more secret. The multiplying symbols and images of the dead take to a sorrow of remembrance and forgiving. And there is the war, the vast burning war across the brink of time. and thus they speak of the dark sin of night, blood was spilt across this land in purifier's lust. And the same blood across the bones, look to me and tell me that you were not faced with the warden of king. To be the one dying, but failing to protect the living as they were, simply because, the images of the fallen one's in distant memory scars the soul with tears...
A hundred times the king has died, and to each a thousand deaths. They lust for power, they lust for strength, but tellme brother, if they would only lust for those departed without a name?
Look to the eye of the burning well. Look inside the temple'd haze, look in there within the future, and tell me that you can see the color of the well with the seal's stained by blood?
The instruments of torture are within the body of loss. Unable to move, unable to speak, but taking as dead wardens to those who behold the eye. THe sorrow is the name of flesh, and the sin, the image of the dying child facing the wars, when to guard meant more than living as leaving is to the dying sun.
Huh? I didn't catch that. ;D ;D