I guess this is just a combo of the two theories of "Who is Majora?" and "Who is Mudora" but I wanted some answers and I thought they sounded alike and maybe Termina is a real land and goes back with Hyrule so Majora may have deep roots. I know I'm probably %100 false and I also think that I'm partial to Majora's Mask so that's why I want to know.
I'm going to move this over to the theories board.
Majora is the same as Mudora? Wow, this is a toughie. We hardly know anything about either of them. Was Majora a real person first of all? We have Majora's Mask, but we don't know who created it. All we know is that it was used in ancient hexing rituals by some evil tribe a long time ago and that is has an insane amount of power to pull a moon towards the earth. And as for the Book of Mudora, was the author named Mudora? When was that book written? Perhaps if Nintendo would come out with more games dealing with Majora's Mask and the Book of Mudora, we could know more to answer your perplexing question.
This does make more sense in Theories. I probably would've never found it! ;D ;D But on topic, maybe Majora's the name of the tribe and the fisrt people in Hyrule? :-\
Maybe. There is a theory that Majora's Mask originated in Hyrule and when it was sealed away, it was thrown into Termina.
Majora's Mask has nothing to do with Termina. It was created in Hyrule, sealed in Hyrule, and the Mask Salesman found it in Hyrule. Then the Skull Kid took it from him in the forest and went to Termina.
Could you site a source, please?
Waaaaaiiiit.... I forget, is Mudora that book that translates stuff in LttP?
Yes. Mudora is the book. Majora is the mask.
QuoteCould you site a source, please?
The game. :-*
Quote from: Evilslayer on August 18, 2006, 02:40:47 AM
Majora's Mask has nothing to do with Termina. It was created in Hyrule, sealed in Hyrule, and the Mask Salesman found it in Hyrule. Then the Skull Kid took it from him in the forest and went to Termina.
I have to take issue with that. The game's "Legend of Majora's Mask" specifically states concerning the mask's origins that:
QuoteThis is an accursed item from an ancient tribe of Termina and was used in their hexing rituals.
That's never stated in the game. The Mask Salesman mentions a tribe, but not where the tribe came from. Besides, the Skull Kid robbed the Mask Salesman in the forest.
Why is it that only Link can travel across travel dimensions or worlds? If the Happy Mask Salesman wanted to, he could go to a different land or dimension. Same with the Skull Kid.
However a large stone door that can not be moved seems to block Link's way back...
I'm sure it can be opened in some way. After all, wasn't Link back in the Lost Woods at the end of MM?
mudora is an old wiseman that colleted stories and
and knew the ancient hylian dialect, he couldn't have created that mask
in the manga, there's a special chapter about majora wich tells about a monster in some strange dissorted place, that eats all beings that crossed its path, until a warrior appeared that confused him and sealed his dark power in a mask
If you use cheats you can go behind the stone door again.. and you can walk into that strange forest temple like room, nothing special
Quote from: Evilslayer on August 25, 2006, 12:57:27 AM
That's never stated in the game. The Mask Salesman mentions a tribe, but not where the tribe came from. Besides, the Skull Kid robbed the Mask Salesman in the forest.
Are you sure? I could have sworn it was in the there somewhere. I got to check a game script now.
Though, maybe I'm crazy and it was just in the manual.
Concerning what jarod said, I though manga wasn't considered canon.
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on September 02, 2006, 12:15:25 PM
Concerning what jarod said, I though manga wasn't considered canon.
Yeah, it's not.
The Deku butler was behind the door.
Well, it is certain that the Majora's Mask was created in Hyrule. A Skullkid is a result of a human that enters the Kokiri Forest. Must have been medling again ;D .
But anyway perhaps this tripe that is spoken of is the Gerudo. Maybe Termina is a civilasation created solely by the mask's evil power. But it must have been lost in the great war.
And as we know, the Happy Mask Salesman will do ANYTHING for a mask, even follow a medling Skullkid into an alternate dimension???
This a very intesting topic.
Of course he would follow the Skull Kid. He took Majora's Mask from the Happy Mask Salesman, and the latter was well aware of how dangerous the mask was.
Quote from: Master Dragmire on November 27, 2006, 04:56:37 PM
Well, it is certain that the Majora's Mask was created in Hyrule. A Skullkid is a result of a human that enters the Kokiri Forest. Must have been medling again ;D .
But anyway perhaps this tripe that is spoken of is the Gerudo. Maybe Termina is a civilasation created solely by the mask's evil power. But it must have been lost in the great war.
And as we know, the Happy Mask Salesman will do ANYTHING for a mask, even follow a medling Skullkid into an alternate dimension???
This a very intesting topic.
A. No, it's not certain that Majora's Mask is from Hyrule. It can be from every place ever mentioned and every place never mentioned in the TLOZ-games. For all we know it's from Mushroom Kingdom or Onett.
B. Actually, we don't know if that Skullkid-thing is true. While it might be, don't forget Navi ended the sentence with a ?. She doesn't know for certain either; in fact, she's just guessing.
C. The HMS won't do anything for a mask. But he will do a lot to get a mask back that was stolen from him and is capable of destroying entire dimensions. :)
It's true that the happy mask salesman is first seen in Hyrule, but with that large pack on his back, is it possible he could be a traveler? Is it possible that he came from somewhere other than hyrule or Termina? And I thought Termina was a paralell world, like it says on the back of the box for the collectors edition. There are like replicas of every person in hyrule, and that was made literal in the manga.
When i said Hyrule I meant not Termina. Although that is where i suppose it would it would be made. When I say Hyrule I mean the world of Hyrule as saying The Universe of The Legend of Zelda Games takes too long and Termina is unknown so I dont take that as part of that.
hmm...what is their world called... :-\Hyrule is the Kingdom and town...
Hyrule is a town, a kingdom and a sub-continent. Maybe the world is called Hyrule as well? :-*
Maybe...the world is Ordonia!That's why in TP the light spirits are FAROn,elDIN, laNAYRU, and Ordon...three Goddesses and the world they created!
Okay, I happened upon this (very) dead topic and had to show something learned through studying japanese.
"chi" becomes a special voiced form of the syllable "ji" which can then add "yo" to it turning it into the glide syllable "jo" but it can also be read a "do" as "tsu" is also a special voiced syllable that becomes "zu" but is writen "du".
So in fact, the name "Majora" is in fact the name "Mudora" since the translators were a bit off back when Mudora was still being used. Remember "Gannon"?
So I just had to bring this up, since it helped me realize something.
Please forgive me for my thread revival that is several years old.
Quote from: Setsumi Sakura on September 27, 2010, 01:58:57 PM
Okay, I happened upon this (very) dead topic and had to show something learned through studying japanese.
"chi" becomes a special voiced form of the syllable "ji" which can then add "yo" to it turning it into the glide syllable "jo" but it can also be read a "do" as "tsu" is also a special voiced syllable that becomes "zu" but is writen "du".
So in fact, the name "Majora" is in fact the name "Mudora" since the translators were a bit off back when Mudora was still being used. Remember "Gannon"?
So I just had to bring this up, since it helped me realize something.
Please forgive me for my thread revival that is several years old.
So you're saying that Majora and Mudora are the same name, just improperly translated? That's pretty interesting, too interesting to be coincidence.
Another interesting thing to think about:
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In the Desert of Mystery (picture one) the entrance to the Desert Palace is guarded by three massive tortoise shells, which Link can move by translating a tablet with the Book of Mudora. By using the translation within Link says what is obviously a prayer (ala Sanctuary Chorus) and the shells move, granting access to the temple.
Note that the temple entrance bears striking similarities to the Stone Tower Temple entrance (picture two), save for the fact that the eyes are closed and the colors are faded in the Desert Palace. There are three entrances to the Desert palace, and there are three monolithic spires in the cactus-shaped Stone Tower.
Since the prayer caused the tortoise shells to move, it's obvious that Mudora (Majora) had access to great power. Who's to say how he used it? It can't have been too hard to channel that power to turn himself into a great beast or seal that power away into a mask that was capable of making the moon fall?
Also, both the Desert Palace and the Stone Tower are guarded by the same beasts with the same name: Twinmold. It's possible that the Stone Tower is a dark parody of the Desert Palace, or they're the same place, in different locations...
One of my crackpot theories is right~!?
I just noticed the the Ma =/= Mu in the official Japanese script, but it still might just be a different translation, since things can get pronounced/spelled different regardless of the direct translation.
Quote from: Setsumi Sakura on October 04, 2010, 04:00:07 PM
One of my crackpot theories is right~!?
I just noticed the the Ma =/= Mu in the official Japanese script, but it still might just be a different translation, since things can get pronounced/spelled different regardless of the direct translation.
Not right, but plausible :P
A hint that maybe A Link to the Past lies in the Child Timeline, perhaps?
WAIT!
Regarding my "Ma=/=Mu" thing, Ma and Mu look pretty similar in Katakana, which would probably be what the word is written in, so it may still be valid.
It gets better: The Japanese title of Majora's Mask uses the mu katakana in its name, not ma.