when i was playing OoT again( ;D), got to the spirit temple as an ADULT, and went out. sheik jumps down, and he walks twoard me. then I see some thing flying in the background. its not one of thos crow guys, but him. Kaepora Gaebora. i saw him as an ADULT. many think hes there only as a child, but now, an adult? ??? explain this... U also see him on the "hand" of the spirt temple as u and sheik play the requim of sprit!!!
I saw him too. Then when you turn into a kid again, somehow, when you go back to the spirit temple, Kaepora Gaebora is telling Link that he's fully matured into an adult and apperently, he has no clue.
But maybe he was just hiding from the evil Ganondorf, knowing that Link is in the Temple of Time, destined to be the Hero, and had to make sure that Link was out of the Temple of Time before he helped him. And maybe Kaepora Gaebora was watching Link the whole time, and you just see him that time.
I noticed that also when Link's a kid, and Malon teaches him Epona's Song, Kaepora Gaebora flies above their heads. So maybe he was just flying around and just happened to see Link. Twice. Nobody really knows though.
I think Kaepora works for Ganondorf. So when he's there as an adult he's watching you. I think that while you are a kid, he's leading you around as part of Ganondorf's plan, since he couldn't get the stones or ocarina himself.
I don't know, just my thoughts.
QuoteI think Kaepora works for Ganondorf.
:o I've never met anyone who thinks Kaepora works for Ganondorf. It's just a little odd. Even though he's pretty much ussless, how could he work for Ganondorf? I guess we'll never really know.
It's the game's way of inserting a tutorial while cleverly disguising it as an annoying bird with a serious case of Turret's syndrome.
But a minion of Ganondorks.. err, that is, Ganondorf's.. would be quite a hilarious twist.
Teehee. ;)
At the Spirit Temple Kaepora Gaebora speaks to you when you are a kid. He knows that you can travel to the future and back. How?
QuoteAt the Spirit Temple Kaepora Gaebora speaks to you when you are a kid. He knows that you can travel to the future and back. How?
I'm not sure. Maybe he remembered 7 years ago (from when Link's an adult) and knew that when he pull the Master Sword, that he was too small and was going to grow. I'm thinking that Kaepora knows somewhat about the Master Sword, and he knows that when the hero is too young, he stays in there until he's old enouth. I don't know, just a thought.
Maybe Rauru is Kaepora Gaebora. Helping link out since hes in the sages thing. Like in WW with the king of hyrule/king of the red lions.
Maybe...
The thought of him being Rauru crossed my mind.
Kaepora would know of the master sword thing because he is the reincarnation of an ancient sage. I think.
That leads me to think it isn't Rauru(since he's kinda still alive... ;))
But didn't Rauru die? Didn't he say that his spirit was in the chamber of sages because he was dead? Wouldn't that mean that he could be reicarnated?
No, he didn't say that. He only refers to himself as one of the Ancient Sages, and because he practically LIVES in the Golden Land, it wouldn't surprise me if he's immortal.
QuoteI think Kaepora works for Ganondorf. So when he's there as an adult he's watching you. I think that while you are a kid, he's leading you around as part of Ganondorf's plan, since he couldn't get the stones or ocarina himself.
No. That's not possible. One of the Gossip Stones STATES that he's KINDHEARTED.
QuoteMaybe Rauru is Kaepora Gaebora. Helping link out since hes in the sages thing. Like in WW with the king of hyrule/king of the red lions.
He's the REINCARNATION of an Ancient Sage, so he's definatly not Rauru. Besides, the fact that he's in the second part proves that he can't be Rauru. Rauru has to stay in the Chamber of Sages until Ganon is defeated.
I think its just a mysterious ancient sage that we've never heard of. Ocarina of Time is supposed to be first in the timeline, Hylure had to be around for hundreds or thousands of years before those events, so there may have been sages who werent remembered throughout the years, maybe the people that Rauru and the others descended from.
Quote from: HylianKnight on January 29, 2006, 09:29:29 AM
I think its just a mysterious ancient sage that we've never heard of.
i agree with HylianKnight ;D
QuoteI think its just a mysterious ancient sage that we've never heard of. Ocarina of Time is supposed to be first in the timeline, Hylure had to be around for hundreds or thousands of years before those events, so there may have been sages who werent remembered throughout the years, maybe the people that Rauru and the others descended from.
OoT is the first at the moment, yes. But in OoT the Sages has been gathered before and the Master Sword is legendary, so obviously it's been used before.
The only time any in Nintendo said that OoT for sure is the first game was in a mistranslated interview in 1998.
i agree that the annoying bird(with turret's syndrone) is evil!!!!!!!!
kaepora gaebora is weird, but i luv his music :P
i doubt very much he is evil - he helps u in links awakening and in oot. he has never lead u into a trap , even tho he is anoying , he is NOT EVIL! nintendo would have made it obvious if he was by showing him report bac 2 ganon or summin
true but he's so FREAKIN ANNOYIN!
I think that anoying owl is the King of Hyrule himself. My evidence for this is:
1. Rauru can travel through the real world as we meet him both outside Ganons castle when he and the other sages build the rainbow bridge and inside when you dispell the Light Barrier. ;)
2. A sage is a decendant of a sage. I think that the King of Hyrule is dead at this point as he never appears and Princess Zelda is the very leader of the sages so therefore her father must have been the leader of sages before her. This evidence hopefully opens up the idea of Kaepora Gaebora is a reincarnation of Zeldas old man. Please reply to this theory as if i have gone wrong somewhere i'd like to learn from my mistakes.
But if Kaepora Geabora is the king of Hyrule, then why does he trust Gannondorf. ( As Zelda says when you first meet her as a child in OOT)
This would make little sense as he is helping link to stop Gannondorf.
Good point and kool pic lol. I always asumed that Zelda's dad was dead all the way through but with no other relatives I would guess that would make her known as Queen Zelda rather than Princess Zelda. Thanx Davros. :)
Thx Shadow ganon. It took me ages to get the pic working. But I think your idea was valid and deserved a comment. One thing people shouldn't stop doing is coming up with ideas (no matter how strange they seem :D) or no new ideas would be thought up and everyone would drown in a sea of stupidity. (or just get bored ;D)
Thanx for pointing everything out for me Davros but I don't believe it is Rauru as from my first comment, his spirit is not confined to the Chamber of Sages. What is your opinion on all of this???
I have no idea Shadow Ganon. I know that he is a sage (as stated by a stone of truth in OOT) but which one? I agree with you that it is unlikely to be Rauru and most of the sages I know of are confined to the chamber of sages... He could just be a sage from ages past that has not been mentioned before. Or he could just be a way for nintendo to insert a character that can guide you early on in the game... ;D
lol. We'll while i was reading through the other topics one idea came to me. As we never see the King of Hyrule do you reckon he could be Rauru? I mean when you are a child the King trusts ganon however when you grow up Rauru tells you that he confronted Ganon but lost therefore only his spirit remained. I remember reading on the timeline that when Ganon got his hands on the triforce he killed the King so that fits. Also this would make the king distrust ganon. We never see Rauru as a child so we don't know if he trusts ganon or not. It also fits n with my other bloodline idea fot the sages....
QuoteGood point and kool pic lol. I always asumed that Zelda's dad was dead all the way through but with no other relatives I would guess that would make her known as Queen Zelda rather than Princess Zelda.
And Ganon would go around kneeling to walls. :P
lol. What do you think of my Rauru is the King of Hyrule Theory, now that does fit well ;)
Personally, I don't really like it, but I can't disprove it. :P
lol. I wasn't personaly looking for a personal opinion but thanx anyway. I was just wundering about errors :P
hey- just a quick theory regarding the two questions:
who is kaepora gaebora & who are the rito?
remebering there is no Wind sage in OOT- but their is in WW.
maybe kaepora gaebora is the long dead acient Sage of Wind in OOT - but their blood line has died out ( therefore free to being reincarnated as the owl in OOT - as the gossip stone says he is a long dead sage)
sheilk (zelda) is seen riding the owl- therefore providing fact that the owl is the royal familys messenger -(as seen in the hylian shield- an owl carying the triforce) the rito are also messenegers to the WW races.
if the blood line of the wind sages has died out ---(in link 2 the past the sages were purged)- so it is possible--- then maybey sheilk shared some of her power( the wisdom goddess created life in hyrule i think) with him to continue the line--which links nicely with the eye colour of the rito and that of Shielk - and the fact that the rito sage plays the harp- like Shielk- and the fact that zelda has the triforce of wisdom- and owls are symbolic of wisdom- untill they become birds
the rito would never have been seen b4 WW because they were not created b4 then.( by a goddess(din?) - or mabey the wisdom triforce itself helped, as it has the power of the creator of life goddess thanks 2 sheilk)
personaly they couldnt have evolved from Zoras -( anyway , if the great flood was caused by rain water- it would be freshwater not saltwater?unless the salt content was from the mountains) so the zoras may have migrated deeper into the ocean or evolved into the helper fish(fishmen) in WW?
the only hole in my theory as far as i can see- is that valoo aparently gives them wings , and not adolecence as i thought. see if u can find an answer to this- but read it again cos it makes sence!!!!
p.s- if pretty much all the other races evolved- shurly the trading gorons in WW would have- as they h8 water
dam......good idea......
i know! how the F**K did you figure all of that out?? :o
now that i think about it, it makes sense.....
Quoteas seen in the hylian shield- an owl carying the triforce
Actually, I think that's supposed to be a phoenix. :P
Quotethe rito would never have been seen b4 WW because they were not created b4 then.( by a goddess(din?) - or mabey the wisdom triforce itself helped, as it has the power of the creator of life goddess thanks 2 sheilk)
Farore is the Goddess of Life (yes, and Courage, of course :P).
Quotepersonaly they couldnt have evolved from Zoras -( anyway , if the great flood was caused by rain water- it would be freshwater not saltwater?unless the salt content was from the mountains) so the zoras may have migrated deeper into the ocean or evolved into the helper fish(fishmen) in WW?
Medli, a Rito, is a direct blood descendant of Laruto. :P Some people calls that evidence.
That is evidence to me
nah - it is a owl
pheonixes have never even ever been menshoned in zelda
and i think a truth stown says owls are the royal family messangers and on the sheild it is caryying a bit of the triforce and carrying a princess
and regarding the Laruto thing - i cant be sure but i remeber hearing that sages are given there gifts buy the gods , and not necciserily bloodline - but im not sure.
mayby the zora sage forsaw the demise /imigration of the zora and passed herpowers into the rito?
p.s why do you try to kiil my theory? lol
Personally I still believe that dan_the_man's theory is the closest to an answer we have worked out. I have to agree with Evil slayer though when it comes to the Rito evolving from Zora. I don't like the idea but it seems the only possible answer.
I believe in direct bloodline, and that Medli must be a decendant of Laruto.
mayby the zora sage (laruto) forsaw the
demise / imigration of the zora and passed her powers into the rito?
Possably, she does say look for the one with my direct bloodline, that also explains how they both have the same harp, it was passed down through the family..
wow i'm related to a zora!
although i doubt the zoras ARE the rito - i mean it thakes ages to evolve
Perhaps the gods intervined in some way... After all they seem quite happy to meddle with their world. Or at least they seem happy to flood it.
how about u read my previous theory?
In real life when the continental drift happened millions of years ago, the seas were started out by rain water ie: Water Vapour. This is fresh water and we now have salt water, so the great sea, although created by rainwater, could be salt. That is why the Zora's needed to evolve into the rito quickly in order to survive.. ;)
the rito rock! ;D
yes , the salt content would be due to the mountains in OoT being flooded most likly, however mass-mutation in 800 years (may be less) is unheard of. it takes millions. and why sutch a drastic change? from fish to birds are a total oppersites. the zora are cold-blooded , and the rito are hot blooded
and the rito have a beak - and the zora have a mouth. the rito have hollow bones....etc
the rito would have no need for beaks , as thgey are smart enough it hunt other ways - only if they are suddenly created for the purpose of messanger will explain there appearence.
anyway , adapting to salt water ( if they do need to adapt - as in MM the gr8 bay is salt water) is gona be a lot easyer than turning into a new race.
that is why they may be fish men in WW
one of them says
' after hundreds of years of being battered by the ocean , we have very tough skin and can withstand even your Arrows'
this shows they can have adapted , and if the fishmen were always around they would have no need to adapt. only the zora would need harder skin , and plus the fishmen can talk - what need would normal fish have to be able to talk? only if the zora have evolved into fishman but still kept speach would explain
and as we know thanks to MM the gorons are vunerable to water , so why havnt the WW tradeing gorons evolved , or the hylians? the zoras are the only race that (so you say) have evolved into aparently Rito, and they are the least likely ones as they are fish in the first place!
most liky the zoras just went elcewhere in the vast ocean for food, evolved into fishmen, gone feral and turned into Zola( anoying fish in the old games that shoot fireballs at you) , were whiped out by the storms or mayby were sick of being killed by ganondorf. who knows?
woah.........that's a lot
It makes sense, but Valoo could help them evolve quicky as he is the one that gives them wings, plus this is a Zelda game, anything can happen.
Yes, I agree with Shadow Gannon on this point. I still feel that the Rito can't have appeared out of nowhere. Plus if their fate has been changed by Valoo it brings up another problem. Where did Valoo come from?
I think it is believed to be a decendant of Volvagia. You have Jabu Jabu/Jabun, Deku Sprout/Deku Tree and in my opinion Volvagia/Valoo. I'd just like to know why Volvagia went good if this is true???? :-\ :-\
soz but i know 4 a fack he isnt anything 2 do with volvagia
http://www.geocities.com/sunstar2513007/Volvagia.jpg
http://zelda.ubergaming.net/images/twwart7.jpg
apart from looking totaly different , one is hell-bent to serve ganon and the other is a sage. there name is only similar because in japanese vol/val mean fire.
i beleive the answer to the rito is in the manga comic, there is another race in these called the watanara (or somthing) that look pretty much exactly like rito , only more bird like. mayby valoo came from the same distant land as the watanara but settled on the island....or something...
nintendo have this to say about laruto:
Laruto, the descendant of Ruto, is the Sage of Earth and like Fado was murdered by Ganondorf before the Great Flood. Her soul stays around long enough to pass down the duty of being a Sage to Medli.
this , i think , deffinatly proves that she was chosen by the previus sage, and not thru bloodline.
Thanx for clearing that one up Dan, the dialoge confused me cause i seem to remember laruto saying look for the one that carrys my direct bloodline, but she must have sed look for the one who carries the same harp. :)
She DOES tell Link to look for the one carrying on the same bloodline.
Quoteyes , the salt content would be due to the mountains in OoT being flooded most likly, however mass-mutation in 800 years (may be less) is unheard of. it takes millions. and why sutch a drastic change? from fish to birds are a total oppersites. the zora are cold-blooded , and the rito are hot blooded
and the rito have a beak - and the zora have a mouth. the rito have hollow bones....etc
the rito would have no need for beaks , as thgey are smart enough it hunt other ways - only if they are suddenly created for the purpose of messanger will explain there appearence.
That's just a theory! And actually, it took only a day for Atlantis to disappear. Just one large tsunami and the greatest civilization of all times is under hundred metres of water.
Besides, Hyrule is in a FANTASY world, CREATED BY GODS, not just slowly put together. And millions of years is non-excistant. In Zelda it's more likely about thousands of years.
How they 'evolved'? Easy. Magic! Evolve is the wrong word to use.
Quoteapart from looking totaly different , one is hell-bent to serve ganon and the other is a sage. there name is only similar because in japanese vol/val mean fire.
How can that mean fire? It's not even Japanese. :P Had it been Japanese it would be something like voru/varu. Hi, however, means fire.
Quotei beleive the answer to the rito is in the manga comic, there is another race in these called the watanara (or somthing) that look pretty much exactly like rito , only more bird like. mayby valoo came from the same distant land as the watanara but settled on the island....or something...
That's a made-up story and is in no way canon to the games.
QuoteI think it is believed to be a decendant of Volvagia. You have Jabu Jabu/Jabun, Deku Sprout/Deku Tree and in my opinion Volvagia/Valoo. I'd just like to know why Volvagia went good if this is true????
Volvagia is an ancient dragon who once lived at Death Mountain until he was slain by a Goron hero. Valoo is a god, who has probably lived since before the world was created. I don't see that being possible.
QuoteYes, I agree with Shadow Gannon on this point. I still feel that the Rito can't have appeared out of nowhere. Plus if their fate has been changed by Valoo it brings up another problem. Where did Valoo come from?
Maybe they came from a different country? ;)
wow , u do like screwing up people theorys , dot ya evilslayer? ;)
then agen , we can also prove all our theorys by saying 'magic' cant we?
lol good point Dan, but nothing can realy stop Volvagia been evil lol
:'(sorry but the part you went wrong on is the part where you said kaepora gaebora is the king of hyrule
,the king of hyrule. if you look at his face closely you'll see that its really link so link is the king of hyrule. ;D ;D ;D :) :D 8) :D :-\ :-*
link is the king of hyrule not the owl so if you think the owl is the king well wrong answer it is link. :) ;) :D ;D 8) ::)
wow , i cant believe how wrong you are.......link isnt the king nor will he ever be.
just another point 2 prove the fact:
the king in OoT is seen talking 2 ganondorf and saying they were allies befor ganon betrayed him. would link do this- even if he was a time-traveling old man?
He means the King in WW doesn't he???? He sed look closely at his face but you don't see him in OoT ;) ;)
thort he ment the king in Oot .
dusnt change anything tho , he is still wrong and link never turnes into a Big Red Boat in the futurre.
any similaritarity as purly coincidental and the cell-shaded graphics are to blame.
Hey cell shaded graphics are ace lol :) :)
yes they are
This is true. Cel-shaded graphics are cool. I also don't see where the whole "Link is king" idea came from Link hike. Any comment on that?
link becomes king(yet you don't have evidence in the games)because zelda asks him to marry her etc.
For the discussion of Link being Daphnes Nohansen... well, Link isn't a very royal name, so he could've changed it. But when Daphnes Nohansen touches the Triforce it splits up.
Another problem with that theory is that he needs to live possibly far beyond the lifespan of an ordinary Hylian. Even if it's longer than that of humans, the prologue in TWW says that generations passed, not centuries or anything like that.
If Hylians can live for, say, 200 years one generation may be 50 years.
i'm not saying link is daphnes nohansen!i'm just saying what i read in the book of mudora!
kool. I dunno bout anytin much on this subject. We still aint come 2 a conclusion on hu the owl is??
yeh , its ur mother ;)
More like my brother
That leads to confusing ideas. If the owl is Shadow Ganon's brother than Ganon must have created the owl as well. Why would he do something so stupid. And why give it such irritating theme music? ???
rauru is the owl! link is not king The boat on Ww is cause when link takes Tetra (A.K.A Zelda) to hyrule King of red lions shows you his true form King of Hyrule. Zelda was Tetra a BLOODY PIRATE she was a heir of the throne of Hyrule not The Great sea so Link cant be king.Did ya"ll know the Boat was kinda a gossip stone.(but it is still a boat)
I for got to mention hyrule is gone under the great sea. hahahahaha.....and ha
Ha I knew it. The Owl is Rauru. I mentioned it b4 but was kinda proved wrong :( :( :(
It only makes sence ::)
it makes no scence. look at the first few pages of the topic and ur proved TOTALY rong. for a start a gossip stone say the owls is a LONG DECEASED SAGE. and rauu is infact alive
I Know he is alive ::)
There called gossip stones not truth stones and i think rauru is thought to be decesed cause the owl is its out of sacred relm form like king of red lions
see the facial resembleance
pure coiniced , and gossip stones are also called truth stoned or shiekah stones - depending on where u are
all right ::)
yep
Oh yea I understand
QuoteThere called gossip stones not truth stones and i think rauru is thought to be decesed cause the owl is its out of sacred relm form like king of red lions
Rauru can't leave the Chamber of Sages before Ganon is defeated. Kaepora Gaebora appear once in the desert in the alternate future. Of that reason alone he cannot be Ganon.
yea, but rauru does leave the chamber of sages to make the rainbow bridge and dispell the light barrier remember ;D ;D ;D
yeh but rauru can leave b4 the dorr of lime is opened and ganon released. but Kaepora Gaebora is seen as a child ;)
oh yea, but could you explain how Rauru isn't supposed to leave the CoS, but yet he appears twice at Ganons Castle to create the Rainbow Bridge dispell the light barrier?????????????????????????
Why cant he he is not protecting a temple? ???
No but his spirit can't live outside the Chamber of Sages, he is dead remember, Ganon killed him
Quoteoh yea, but could you explain how Rauru isn't supposed to leave the CoS, but yet he appears twice at Ganons Castle to create the Rainbow Bridge dispell the light barrier?????????????????????????
He doesn't appear when the rainbow bridge is created. He communicates with Link from the Chamber of Sages. ;) As for his 'appearance' in Ganon's Tower, I don't think that's a physical appearance.
I could of sworn that Rauru appears behind Link, anywayz no matter, here is a fan pic that is of rauru and Kaepora Gaebora. It seems probable, no matter what anyone else here says:
http://www.zfans.de/zfans/dates/fanart/zsfanartcarotte3.jpg (http://www.zfans.de/zfans/dates/fanart/zsfanartcarotte3.jpg)
He could have possesed the owl ;D
thats a good theory, cause rauru don't apear wen ur a kid and the owl leads you to your first meeting with him
what and who is kaepora gaebora really? i've seen him but i don't get him! ;)
That is the point of this topic medli lol. Keapora Geabora is the Sky Sage, who was also the last to forget himself as a sage. He led many warriors into battle with me but each one was immediatley killed
wow ur powerful! :D
I know. I have been the General in many wars of my land, and i plot my return with the demise of anything good
::)
here we go.....
lol jk
lol, I WILL GAIN POWER. p.s do you know if i'm around on the great sea anywere, i just wanna know incase i will die sumwere in these 800 long yrs to come?? :-\
lol eeeeerrrrrrmmmmmmmm......here's a good answer to that question(more like another question):
wouldn't you have eternal life seeing as ur so powerful?
hmmm good point, thank you :-*
ur welcome ;D
it's one of my duties to correct men!
and itz one of my duties to be annoyed when women correct me,oh and killing ppl with my power ;D
lol you couldn't kill me if you tryed! i'm too good to you! you can't resist ;D
good point, again :-*
see?
u agree wid me
u listen 2 me
u do everytin 4 me ;Dlol
yep lol im there 4 evry1 :-*
aaaaaaaaawwwww! that's sooo sweet! ;D
hehe i know :-*
Aghhhh...to...much...good....will....must...resist...urge....to....share....all....belongings....
::)
I NEVER SAW HIM SO IT'S TOOOOOOOOOO LATE TO SEE HIM AGAIN BUT IF I WANT TO SEE HIM AGAIN I HAVE TO DO ANOTHER FILE SO I CAN SEE HIM AGAIN BUT THAT WILL TAKE FORVER! WAAAAAAA!
tp zelda! calm down! it's just a bird! who has clearly not been ripped from his feathers by my guards ;D