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Community => General Discussion => Topic started by: MasterKeyX on August 31, 2006, 09:00:07 AM

Title: Iran
Post by: MasterKeyX on August 31, 2006, 09:00:07 AM
Anybody else woried by Iran's defying the U.N. and the world to stop Uranium enrcihment? I for one think its is a prominent threat.
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: Rev Rabies on August 31, 2006, 12:30:58 PM
It's a threat only because the u.n. doesn't work and can't do a thing to stop them
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: Gamefreak on August 31, 2006, 01:36:19 PM
Iran won't listen to peace talks, they know they've got the power, and the U.N is letting them.
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: Rincewind on September 01, 2006, 01:29:20 AM
Ahmadinejad challenges Bush to debate
Who would LOVE to see this.
Except 'The White House said Ahmadinejad's call for a presidential debate on global concerns was a "diversion."'
Obviously scared that Ahmadinejad would embarass Bush.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060830/ts_nm/nuclear_iran_dc_93
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: MasterKeyX on September 01, 2006, 07:14:17 AM
or maybe they were scared that it woiuld be a diversion and that it would waste time concerning the real effort.
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: alical on September 01, 2006, 09:33:16 AM
What real effort?
The UN aren't exactly working round the clock are they?  I mean Bush isn't doing anything to get rid of the Uranium what difference would a day of debating make, I personally would love to see Bush struggling to keep up with this sort of thing.
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: daemonsage420 on September 01, 2006, 09:38:23 AM
Bush seems to be inept. And his incapactiy to deal with what he's been appointed to take care of is gonna be the biggest blow to the forces striving against Iran. Sorry if I've offended anyone.
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: Rincewind on September 02, 2006, 12:51:57 AM
Why can't Iran have Nuclear Power?
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: Jack on September 02, 2006, 07:24:52 AM
Quote from: Rincewind on September 02, 2006, 12:51:57 AM
Why can't Iran have Nuclear Power?

Because they don't want nuclear power, they're sitting on the world's second largest oil reserves. They're using that excuse as a cover for their development as a nuclear weapons program. Everyone knows it but they choose to play footsy with the logic and take Iran at its word.

And as to why they should not have nuclear weapons, I can only answer in terms of America's geostrategic concerns. Id est, a Nuclear Iran would be really back for American policy abroad. It would embolden a dangerous and unstable regime, add way to much uncertainty to the oil market, and give Iran a trump card in case it ever decided to act on Ahmadinejad's night-time fantasy of wiping out Israel.
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: MasterKeyX on September 02, 2006, 07:38:40 AM
Quote from: daemonsage420 on September 01, 2006, 09:38:23 AM
Bush seems to be inept. And his incapactiy to deal with what he's been appointed to take care of is gonna be the biggest blow to the forces striving against Iran. Sorry if I've offended anyone.

You can say whatever you wan,t after all, its a debate, so dont worry what others think

Anyay, the U.N. is corrupt in the first place, so i don't really think they care if Iran has Nuclear power, they are not a very good organization at this point.
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: Gamefreak on September 02, 2006, 08:26:19 AM
Cough*oil for food*Cough.

Anyways.  Jack is right.  If Iran were allowed nuclear weapons, they would be in the hands of a man who:

A) Thinks the Holocaust never happened, and was just an excuse to create Israel.

B) Wants to destroy Israel.

And every time the U.S intervenes, they say that if we do, they will destroy us, yet they keep saying that their nuclear weapons are for peaceful uses.  So basically they're saying:

Stay away from our peaceful weapons, or we'll destroy you.
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: Rincewind on September 02, 2006, 08:43:43 AM
Imagine yourself as an Iranian teenager,  sitting in your house watching MTV and CNN thinking, "Why does a country that I, and the majority of Iranians like, i.e. America, not  want us to have nuclear energy?". "After all they have it, why can't we?"

Put yourself in the average person's position, forget about the "geostrategic" crap, you are young people, not Generals.
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: Jack on September 02, 2006, 09:26:46 AM
I very much doubt that even Iranian teenagers buy the peaceful power line. Like I said, they're sitting on the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world. Why substitute such cheap energy for much mroe expensive nuclear power?

And I'm not going to look at this issue from their perspective, but rather from that of my own, the position of an American (I don't have to be a general to have my coutnry's best interests in mind). And from my perspective, a nuclear Iran is a bad thing.

Do you really think Iran (Ahmadinejad especially) wants to nuclear-capabilities for power-generation? Or for nukes?
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: Gamefreak on September 02, 2006, 11:46:12 AM
Yeah, Rincewind, you're talking as if you know that's what every Iranian teenager thinks.  They may, or they may not, but their leader is a bad person, and I doubt he has "peaceful" intentions in mind.
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: MasterKeyX on September 03, 2006, 07:15:11 AM
He openly stated he wanted to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, and if youlook at pictures inside his ciuntry, it looks very much like Nazi-Germany. He cant be trusted, he a maniac.
Title: Re:Iran
Post by: Gamefreak on October 09, 2006, 04:05:29 PM
I'm bringing this back in the wake of the political debate group I just got back from.


Exactly, you can't deny the fact that Iran's leader wants to destroy with everything that he has said.