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Zelda Games => General Zelda => Topic started by: LadyNintendo on September 07, 2006, 06:44:33 AM

Title: Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: LadyNintendo on September 07, 2006, 06:44:33 AM
I guess I could've given each question its own topic, but I just chose to put them together. :)

Okay, the first question is: Who is the "true" owner of the Triforce of Power? What if someone other then Ganondorf would've touched the Triforce. Off course someone else whose balance would be more "wisdom" or "courage", allowing "power" to go to its "true" owner. I don't think Ganondorf would've gotten it in that case, but who would've? I don't think Link or Zelda would've gotten it in return for not getting the pieces they have now. Any thoughts?

Secondly, why is Tetra princess Zelda? Why isn't she princess Tetra? This may sound like it's not a big deal, but I can't find a logical answer. (Unless I put the ancient events of TAOL before the events of TWW, which thanks to the flood doesn't really make much sense either.) Tetra seemed quite surprised about her other identity, so it's not logical to think her real name is Zelda. So why isn't she just princess Tetra? Link doesn't carry the same name all the time either, and that's perfectly fine. I know, it's not really comparable, but close enough.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 07, 2006, 08:55:43 AM
On your second question, if Tetra was Zelda all along, Ganondorf would've already kidnapped her, and, quite possibly, Link would never have faced him, seeing as the whole game started with saving Link's sister, who was kidnapped by a minion of Ganondorf.  Secondly, if Tetra was Zelda the whole time, where would the plot twist be?  Also, since when are pirates named Zelda?   Tetra is a better pirate name.  Lastly, here's what I think went down with the flood (influenced by The Missing Link with his Book of Mudora).  Zelda and Link are born before the flood and are around twelve when Ganondorf breaks free of the Dark World (or Sacred Realm, whichever you prefer).  When the goddesses flood Hyrule, they transport the Hylians to the islands.  To help them cope with their sudden change of environment, the goddesses replaced their memories with new ones, ones where they had lived their whole lives on the ocean.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: MasterKeyX on September 07, 2006, 04:10:23 PM
i think, that if Ganondorf didnt get the triforce of power, it wouldve stayed together with the other pieces. the only reason the triforce broke apart is because ganon touched it without a balanced heart and it broke apart, leaving him with what he most believed in. If he never touched it, it wouldve never broken in the first place.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Nabooru on September 07, 2006, 04:11:54 PM
Well say somebody else broke it and didnt get power? That is what she is trying to say. I think Nabooru or some other gerudo. Not b/c I like I just really think it would.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 07, 2006, 05:34:38 PM
Why would it be another Gerudo?  Sure, Nabooru is second-in-command, but how did she get that job?  And none of the other Gerudos show signs of wanting power.  Why can't it be a Hylian noble?  Nobles often lust for power.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Nabooru on September 07, 2006, 06:07:53 PM
First of all there arent any hylian nobles so yeah. And you dont think they crave power? I do. And thirdly its an opinion.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 07, 2006, 06:27:35 PM
Can you be sure that there aren't any Hylian nobles?  Hyrule is a huge nation, and there's no way any video game system can capture it all.  There may be more to Hyrule than what we can see in the game.

And what is "And you don't think they crave power?" supposed to mean?  Do you mean the Gerudos or the the Hylian nobles?

Also, yes, I know it's an opinion.  But I was essentially asking, "Why you think the way you do?"  Why do you think the Gerudos want power?  If you're going to present your opinion, be ready to back it up.

Going back to the "And you don't think they crave power?" thing, be specific.  You were just talking about Hylian nobility, and you used they in the next sentence.  Naturally, people are going to assume you mean the Hylian nobles, even though you might mean the Gerudo.  When you write, you can't assume people are going to know what you're talking about; you have to clarify it for them.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Nabooru on September 07, 2006, 06:34:29 PM
Because they arent in the game......

I meant the gerudos

And ok then I will....They are pushed on crappy desert land and forced to make their life there so they may want to have power to live in a better place. And they capture all men so that shows they want power over something.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 07, 2006, 07:04:04 PM
Okay, you completely missed my point.  Just because you don't see something in a game doesn't mean it's not there.  Like I said, Hyrule is a thriving nation; there is no way the N64 could be capable of showing all of it.  There is no way Hyrule Castle Town can only have twenty or thirty people living in it.  There is no way the Hylian army can consist of ten soldiers.  Also, look at the size of Hyrule field.  It takes one in-game day to cross it, but only a minute or two in real time.  It's quite obvious Hyrule is miles wide, but the game can't show all of it.  Only the parts of Hyrule that is relevant to the game can be shown; everything else has to be hidden because of technological limitations.

And do we know for sure that the Gerudos were forced to live in the desert?  Couldn't it have been their choice, their way of life?  And do they capture men?  The Gossip Stone only said they come to Hyrule Castle Town to look for "boyfriends."  Perhaps the men are willing to provide their services; I surely wouldn't mind (but I would probably try to have a serious relationship with the Gerudo who approaches me).  Them capturing men (if they even capture them) is so they can survive as a race; it may have nothing to do with power.  And if it does have something to do with power, power over what?  Sexual power over men, as your last sentence would suggest, or a dictatorship over whole races, like Ganondorf wanted?  Or maybe power over the desert, even though it is a foolish notion to have?
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Nabooru on September 07, 2006, 07:09:52 PM
Ok those are your opinions not mine.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 07, 2006, 07:17:29 PM
I'm well aware of that.  I was just letting everyone know of them, fulfilling the purpose of a forum.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Nabooru on September 07, 2006, 07:20:05 PM
I was just simply saying I disagree with pretty much all of that.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 07, 2006, 07:27:42 PM
Very well then.  It didn't hurt us to elaborate our ideas, now did it?
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Nabooru on September 07, 2006, 07:28:43 PM
Ummm.....no, question mark?
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: LadyNintendo on September 07, 2006, 11:51:41 PM
Is it safe again?  :-\

Okay then, personally, I think a Hylian would've gotten it, but I'm not really sure. It seems logical to me if they really are the "chosen" race and considering they got Wisdom, Courage and (once?) owned the Lightforce. I just wouldn't know who.

I don't think wanting or desiring power is enough to get it. I doubt Zelda ever desired wisdom, or Link courage, and that they only have it because of their Triforce pieces. It seems more likely you already have to posses it, believe in it and that the Triforce may improve it. Power also isn't a bad thing, but a neutral thing, like courage and wisdom.

Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Evilslayer on September 08, 2006, 05:20:39 AM
Let's face it. Ganon was always destined for Power. He's more than just a simple villain. :-* Although it could be that if the person who touches it gets Courage Wisdom will go to Link and Power to Zelda.

That reminds me of the ending of the first game. Zelda holds the Triforce of Power over her head and Link holds the Triforce of Wisdom over his head.

QuoteWhy would it be another Gerudo?  Sure, Nabooru is second-in-command, but how did she get that job?  And none of the other Gerudos show signs of wanting power.  Why can't it be a Hylian noble?  Nobles often lust for power.

She's just a simple lone-wolf thief. It's not because after Ganon's take-over she becomes second-in-command. And that's only because she's brainwashed by Koume and Kotake.

QuoteI was just simply saying I disagree with pretty much all of that.

So you honestly believe that Hyrule Castle Town has less than 20 citizens?
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Nabooru on September 08, 2006, 04:33:45 PM
So what if I do, are you disrespecting my opinion?
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 08, 2006, 04:46:02 PM
How was that disrespectful?  He was simply asking you if you really though Hyrule Castle Town had only twenty citizens in it.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Nabooru on September 08, 2006, 04:51:29 PM
I was askin him if he was, but i am not gonna post here anymore, b/c we are kinda spamming.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 08, 2006, 04:55:55 PM
Well, seeing as how often he gets on, might as well ask.  Besides, I want to know how it's disrespectful.  And it's not spamming.  If you disagree with everything I say, do you really think Hyrule Castle Town is only capable of holding twenty citizens?  If you do, you're half right.  The game itself can probably only support twenty citizens, but an actual town would be able to hold hundreds, if not thousands, more than that.  It goes back to the fact that because of technological limitations, we can't see all of Hyrule.  And that means that there are probably Hylian nobles who might get the Triforce of Power if Ganon doesn't.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: MasterKeyX on September 09, 2006, 09:28:52 AM
It is possible that maybe the King of Hyrule himself would get power, i mean, he could've lkusted for power at one time or another, right?
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Pale Dim on September 09, 2006, 11:49:04 AM
No coment about any of this. Although I do have to say that you have a point, Hi no Seijin.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 10, 2006, 12:26:01 PM
Than it is better not to post here if you have no comment, Link104.

And that is a good point, MasterKey, but one I sort of made myself; the king would be Hylian nobility, or at least I think so.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Pale Dim on September 10, 2006, 04:21:39 PM
What? I said you had a point!
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Nabooru on September 10, 2006, 04:27:31 PM
You edited it after he posted that, were not stupid.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Pale Dim on September 10, 2006, 04:40:27 PM
*Bangs head on the desk*
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: MasterKeyX on September 11, 2006, 05:49:10 PM
back on topic now.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: DW on September 23, 2006, 08:10:12 AM
Hello.Triforce of power would go to the strongest creature of all.His name?BIGGORON!What if he was the final boss?

and i dont think Tetra WAS Zelda, she was just a descendant.When her heritage was revealed by King Daphnes Hyrule, he honored her with that name.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 23, 2006, 09:13:03 AM
Well, Jackal, that's something I never would've thought of.  Biggoron probably would've gotten the Triforce of Power.  And maybe King Daphnes did honor Tetra with the name Zelda; I'd have to play the game myself to see if it can be interpreted that way.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: MasterKeyX on September 23, 2006, 05:08:13 PM
oi dont think biggoron would've gotten power, hes not evil, after all.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 23, 2006, 05:14:12 PM
Who says you have to be evil to get the Triforce of Power?  The Triforce does not judge between good and evil.  If the person who touched the Triforce didn't have Power, Courage, and Wisdom in balance, it would've broke.  If the person who touched it didn't value Power most, then Power would've gone to the person who did value Power most, whether the person was good or evil.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: MasterKeyX on September 23, 2006, 06:58:24 PM
thats true, i guess that since ganon has it i never though of it as anything but evil
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Harashi on September 23, 2006, 07:02:21 PM
Yea, well, if you were looking for princess zelda and the one of the only pirates around was named zelda you might suspect something. Also she didn't even know she was zelda. And finally she wasn't neccesarily zelda, she only played the role of her.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Evilslayer on September 27, 2006, 11:14:25 AM
Quotethats true, i guess that since ganon has it i never though of it as anything but evil

Originally Link was supposed to get it in OoS.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: MasterKeyX on September 27, 2006, 12:11:31 PM
how did that manage to happen?
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: Evilslayer on October 07, 2006, 07:30:04 AM
The original storyline was that Zelda guarded the Rod of Seasons, but Ganon kidnapped her and as Link went to rescue her Ganon cast the seasons out of balance (I think) and shattered the Triforce of Power into eight pieces, which he hid throughout Hyrule.
Title: Re:Two things that have been bothering me for awhile.
Post by: MasterKeyX on October 07, 2006, 09:36:03 AM
i see. Very interesting to learn new things