Vaati clearly had motives for taking the Triforce: He wanted to prove to Ezlo he's just as powerful. Why did Ganon do it? It's clearly more than just infinite power. One can only wonder.
From what i've seen Gannondorfs main motives were to basicly take over hyrule, there also might have been some Hilter type motives AE kill/enslave all peoples except the gerudos
Actually, Vaati went for the Lightforce, which isn't the Triforce.
The Lightforce is not the Triforce.
And I doubt Ezlo is the reason he wanted that power. I'm currently replaying TMC, and Vaati keeps getting more of a mystery. Same goes for Ganon(dorf).
Actually, they look alike, grant infinite powers, and are oth sought by Ganon (FSA), while Ganon also hunts for the Triforce. They're the same. Also, mabye it is also family problems, Twinrova was weird. Revenge on Hyrule for their defeat in the Great War? To become the favorite of the goddesses? Did his farther start the war to gain the Triforce, and his son continued his work? So many theories.
Uh, call me crazy, but I'm pretty sure the Lightforce only appeared in TMC. What Ganon(dorf) was after in FSA were: the Trident of Power, the Sages and um, probably the rest of Hyrule. :) No Lightforce. Now that I think about it, I can't even remember the Triforce being in FSA.
And I think the Hylians never really were the favourites of the Goddesses. I think they kinda made that up. It is true that the goddesses probably reincarnated as Hylians, but I don't think the Hylians truely are the favs.
Still, though, this also brings up question about the Great War, too. What caused it, how did things happen, What were everyone after, etc.
I don't know about all non-Hyruleans, since they didn't appear in that game. And I don't know about all the races that very well could exist back then too, but also didn't appear in OOT. But I assume, looking at the fact ALTTP said the Master Sword was created during the Hylian age, that the Hylians did had a lot of power way back before the war and probably were the first to claim the lands of Hyrule. Possibly, due to immigration of the other races, the war was about rule and territory.
Mabye they were also after the sword, the ultimate weapon entirely. Gaining it, one could be unstoppable.
It was a unification war. My belief on the matter is that the Hylian Era mentioned in ALttP was centuries, maybe even more than a thousand years, before OoT, and that between those eras was an Age of Darkness (slightly hinted to by the spirits in the Shadow Temple). It's not necassarily the one mentioned in the LoZ manual (in my current timeline it isn't), though.
I believe the Gerudos didn't play a role in the unification war. Or if they did, they fought on the Hylians' side. If they had fought against them they would have been forced to bow to the King of Hyrule and swear allegiance.
QuoteAnd I think the Hylians never really were the favourites of the Goddesses. I think they kinda made that up. It is true that the goddesses probably reincarnated as Hylians, but I don't think the Hylians truely are the favs.
They did chose the Hylians as their chosen people, and that's why they can do magic. But on the other hand, the Jews are said to be the chosen people of God. Does that make them His favourites? If you study ancient history you might find out that they were the only ones worshipping Him at that time. At least I think so.
It might be the same with the Hylia. Maybe they're the only ones worshipping the Goddesses as they are.
They're not the only ones who can use magic. Some Gerudo can, and the Wind Tribe (humans or a new race) is capable of magic too. Then there's the Minish and the Fairies and who knows who/what I'm forgetting (Keatons?). Besides, I've only seen the Hylian Royal Family and Hylian Sages use magic. It doesn't really seem to mean anything to them. Just what quote/event clearly proves they are their chosen people?
The Japanese manual to ALttP says that the Hylia can do magic because they're the chosen people. I believe Twinrova can do magic because they're witches, and Ganon is probably a sorcerer or warlock. The Minish and faeries are magical creatures. I'm not sure about the Wind Tribe, though.
Is it stated in the game that they can do magic? I can't remember right now. However, I believe it means that the Hylia (at least during the Hylian Era) can do magic on a daily basis, and all the others have to be mages or wizards or something like that.
Agahnim can also do magic, of course, and I believe he's a Zuna.
I don't like questioning manuals, but I do question that part. I think they became magic users, because they probably were the first inhabitants of Hyrule (hence the name) and therefor were the ones who could claim the Triforce, which enhanced their potential powers. Powers every race could have. What's your definition of witches, mages and wizards? I mean, if anybody can become one, doesn't that mean everyone of every race could use magic if he/she/it wanted to? And if only some can become one, that also means the potential is in the race's blood.
And yes, it is said that the Wind Tribe can do magic. However, only specific magic. I wouldn't know if they are capable of anything else than controling the wind.
I'd also like to mention Keatons as a magical race, even though I do not know how to link the ones from MM and TMC.
I just want to clear one thing up :D
The Lightforce is indeed the triforce. The Minish are the ones who told of the triforce which that misinturpreted as Lightforce. Think about it. How could there be two things that are nearly identical in lore and power and not be the same? Haven't you noticed that Link doesn't posses the Triforce of Courage anymore? My theory is that when Hyrule (old) was finally cast under the sea the Goddesses returned the Triforce to new Hyrule in a new form that we all know as Lightforce.
And yes, I know that offical stated that it was not the Triforce but how could that be so? The Triforce certainly could not have been destroyed or lost.
Okay, the Lightforce CANNNOT be the Triforce. Sure, they do similar things, but then again, so does a Ford truck and a Chevy truck. Are you going to tell me a Ford and a Chevy are the same thing? And no one said the Triforce was destroyed. Also, it can be lost. After all, it was a symbol of the goddesses' power. No one said someone had to be in possession of the Triforce at all times.
Quote from: Master Dragmire on November 27, 2006, 04:13:32 PM
I just want to clear one thing up :D
The Lightforce is indeed the triforce. The Minish are the ones who told of the triforce which that misinturpreted as Lightforce. Think about it. How could there be two things that are nearly identical in lore and power and not be the same? Haven't you noticed that Link doesn't posses the Triforce of Courage anymore? My theory is that when Hyrule (old) was finally cast under the sea the Goddesses returned the Triforce to new Hyrule in a new form that we all know as Lightforce.
And yes, I know that offical stated that it was not the Triforce but how could that be so? The Triforce certainly could not have been destroyed or lost.
A THEORY can't be used to "clear things up". Because it's just another opinion.
Twins also can be nearly identical, yet they aren't the same. The Triforce and the Lightforce are similar and MIGHT have a connection, but it doesn't look like they are the same thing. Besides, Link didn't possess the Triforce Of Courage a lot of times, while the Triforce definetely was still around. TLOZ didn't feature the TOC, TAOL didn't feature it till the very end (when the adventure had already ended. Who says TMC Link won't possess it at a later point in his life?), same goes for ALTTP, LA and MM. And if the Triforce or Lightforce can't be lost, where were they during FSA? Noone (clearly) possessed them at that point.
Well, in Twilight Princess, towards the beginning of the game, a triforce symbol glows bright on Link's right hand, scaring away a shadow being. So if Twilight Princess is concidered a later game, then yes, he certaily posseses it in the time period. We just have to set it somewhere in the timeline...
You remember that phoenix emblem on the hylian shield? How at one point it seemed to carry a FOURTH triforce up to the actual triforce? Maybe, just maybe, that Fourth triforce piece is the lightforce... but the rumors surrounding the fourth triforce and the phoenix have been debunked ever since nintendo redesigned the shield a la TP.
And at the same time, they two times refered to a possible fourth goddess after OOT(Once in MM (kindness), TP (Ordona)).
Um,wait, I don't recal any goddess of kindness, although I DO recall a goddess of time...
"Kindness" would probably be a trait attributed to Nayru, IE: NAyru's Love...
But what's that other goddess you just referred to?
ordona is a light spirit (or w/e) not a godess.
Refered! Lanayru and the others aren't goddesses either, but don't tell me you don't see a link.
And with Kindness, I was refering to the Great Fairies of MM. The one of Magic, Power, Wisdom, Courage and Kindness.
Kindness is a virtue that isn't really a 'sub-virtue', if you wish, of any of the three others. I think you may be onto something.
I'm pretty sure the Goddess of Time is Nayru, but I won't be surprised if there's a Goddess of Kindness, yet to be revealed, who is not one of the already known Goddesses.
The Goddess of Time could be the mirrored versions of the Three Goddesses, since Termina's a mirror-like world of Hyrule. Mabye she too has a triangle, that fits in the upside-down hole, and mabye that triangle turned into the Light Force.
Quote from: Satoru Iwata on December 12, 2006, 05:32:38 AM
T3h lightforce is not teh triforce!
That proves everything!
The Ordona thing is very possible, since there are light spirits named after all the Goddesses, Why shouldn't Ordona? I was always under the impression that the light force and triforce were the same, the triforce was just misinterpreted through the years...and seeing as how he was draining light force out of Zelda, he could have been taking the triforce of Wisdom...
The Triforce of wisdom alone cannot make anyone a god nor give anyone the strength the Lightforce gave Vaati (or transform him for that matter.) Also, I doubt Zelda would die if someone took the Triforce from her.
what if...he already had the ToP?would two pieces be enough?
If that would be the case, then Ganon would never have bothered about Link, but immediately taken Zelda's piece and used it kill Link. No, Vaati doesn't have the Triforce of Power.
He did have the minish cap however.I dunno, this is just one of those topics where we have to wait and see what they have in store for the future...no doubt it will be revealed in time...there are a lot of good theories that can't be proven or disproven, it may be easier after Phantom Hourglass...