I watched the movie, "An inconventient truth", and I have to say, global warming is alot more serious problem then I realized. If you haven't watched it, please do. For the world's sake.
Go to www.climatecrisis.net to find out tips of you could do to slow down the effect of global warming.
You haqvent realized? I've been freaking out over it for a year. Now the animals in the north are confused, and chose not to hybernate. Thats crazy, and it's definately something to worry about.
hmm...as a Christian, I'm not worried....
Yeah, i believe God will take us all to heaven before anything goes down.
Hmm, sounds like a documentary, and documentaries aren't really my thing, but I guess I could take a look at it. But as far as Earth goes, I've read Jurassic Park and agree with Ian Malcolm, a character in it, when he says that Earth isn't really in trouble. After all, as was pointed out, Earth is over four billion years old and have survived several events. It isn't so much the Earth we should be concerned about, but perhaps living things. So forget Earth. Earth can take care of itself, as well as life on Earth. But if you care about your life on Earth, and future lives on Earth, then you should caring about such things as global warming.
yeah, global warming could make things a bit messy, but we are assured the world won't end like that.
But their are ways to destroy the Earth,right? Anyways, if people don't do anything to help, millions of people could die beacsue of floods and hurricanes. Also polar bears might all die out. :'(
there are ways to destroy the earth. they are really hard, omstly impossible. one I heard was to make a giant straw that leaves the atmosphere, then all our air would drain out.
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on January 07, 2007, 07:35:48 PM
Hmm, sounds like a documentary, and documentaries aren't really my thing, but I guess I could take a look at it. But as far as Earth goes, I've read Jurassic Park and agree with Ian Malcolm, a character in it, when he says that Earth isn't really in trouble. After all, as was pointed out, Earth is over four billion years old and have survived several events. It isn't so much the Earth we should be concerned about, but perhaps living things. So forget Earth. Earth can take care of itself, as well as life on Earth. But if you care about your life on Earth, and future lives on Earth, then you should caring about such things as global warming.
but what all happened to the Earth, Ice ages, giant floods, ect. were all natural. Gobal warming is man-made. Man has detoryed lots of things on Earth, sad enough to say, so couldn't they end up killing the Earth? I think we easily could by our Ignorance and indifference.
hmm...as a Christian, I'm not worried....
So your not worried that alot of people and animals could die in the next 50 years? That our ways of living could be forever changed?
watch the double post, you may want to delete that last one and add it to your first.
and no, I'm not really worried. our ways of life have been changed mutliple times, we are fine. The fact is as long as there is more than one species on Earth, actually, as long as there is mroe than one living thing on Earth, at least one will be dying out. That's just the way it goes. Global warming may not even be happening really. If you look from a Christian standpoint, the world is a lot younger...
so many beautiful animals could die....Sorry if I offended you in anyway, I just feel so frustrated that it seems that no one is doing anything to help. I see Hummers driving in the street and it makes me angry that some people have utter disregard towards nature. I also hate that some people deny that gobal warming doesn't exist when there is so much data that proves it.
but the data also depends on how old the earth is and such. and I'm not offended, this is a debate and you have a right to your opinion. now if everybody was like that then we wouldn't have the Sabata incident and such...
anyways, there isn't much we can do about the cars. First off, we have to get hydrogen set up in the gas stations, as far as I know only California has.
Well I am not much of an environmentalist and it is Al Gore and while I voted for him in 2000 and he was funny on Futurama, I do not think I could pull off sitting 2 hours listening to him talk about global warming and not fall asleep.
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on January 07, 2007, 08:00:01 PM
but the data also depends on how old the earth is and such. and I'm not offended, this is a debate and you have a right to your opinion. now if everybody was like that then we wouldn't have the Sabata incident and such...
anyways, there isn't much we can do about the cars. First off, we have to get hydrogen set up in the gas stations, as far as I know only California has.
And politicians that actually care about the environment. But really why must people have hummers and SUV's if the most your going to have in it are 2 people. Other Countries don't have such big cars, only the U.s.
Scientifically speaking, the Earth isn't living, so it would be kind of hard to kill it. Besides, man-made effects such as global warming seems to me to be as large as natural effects. So what if the ozone goes away allowing more ultraviolet radiation gets in? Continuing with the example in Jurassic Park, some species will die out because of the extra radiation. But others will survive. That's what life does; it adapts. Humans are perfect examples of that. We've gone from Africa to the Artic Circle, adapting along the way. That's why it's not such a concern for me. If you feel concerned and want to do something about it, by all means, go ahead. You have every right to do so. I myself will feel inclined to make some ecologically smart decisions. However, I'm far from worried.
We as humans could probably adapt when the world changes. But global warming is something we have done, and it will cause drastic changes in the world. These changes will cause bigger natural disasters to happen and end up killing many, many people. This issue is a moral one, because if the people of the world continue to do nothing, the consequences will be dire.
I watched alot of Global Warming on the history channel and whatnot, and i must say I'm diturbed that people don't care. This planet is a beautiful gift that can never be duplicated, and it's being destroyed by people. If something isn't done, the planet will be ruined, and guess what: we only have ONE planet Earth. So I think we should all get off our butts and do something.
QuoteSo your not worried that alot of people and animals could die in the next 50 years? That our ways of living could be forever changed?
We're all going to die eventually, I'm not worried.
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on January 07, 2007, 08:13:07 PM
Scientifically speaking, the Earth isn't living, so it would be kind of hard to kill it. Besides, man-made effects such as global warming seems to me to be as large as natural effects. So what if the ozone goes away allowing more ultraviolet radiation gets in? Continuing with the example in Jurassic Park, some species will die out because of the extra radiation. But others will survive. That's what life does; it adapts. Humans are perfect examples of that. We've gone from Africa to the Artic Circle, adapting along the way. That's why it's not such a concern for me. If you feel concerned and want to do something about it, by all means, go ahead. You have every right to do so. I myself will feel inclined to make some ecologically smart decisions. However, I'm far from worried.
Life can only survive so long, no matter how slow or rapid the environment changes. Animal life cannot exist in an environment as extreme as Venus, nor can it live on planet as cold and with such thin air as mars. Life can only go so far before it eventually dies out completely, because even if we tried to evolve to survive these new environments, remember, Evolution takes MILLIONS of years, whereas, our environment is getting worse every year. Evolution can only go so fast, and when we take into account how long one generation of humans lasts against one generation of insects, we see that insects can faster evolve than Homo Sapiens. Life cannot exist without water, organic molecules, or a source of energy. All of these must be present for life to form. ANd if all of these are removed, then life will simply become nonexistant.
Humans evolve at a VERY slow pace, so if evolution is to take a course for other organisms to adapt to the new environment, then humans will more than likely be left behind. The human intellect can only go so far to save itself, before circumstances become, for lack of a better word, impossible.
Global warming isn't my biggest concern about life on Earth's survival. NEOs (near-Earth objects--objects in space whose orbits bring them close to Earth) are. We've had a lot of close encounters with NEOs, and they are things that mankind can't really prevent in the present.
If one of the big ones came, it would have so much kinetic energy that it would cause a catastrophic event where most/all life on Earth would be destroyed.
However, it wasn't predicted that that would be the apocalypse, so I'm good. :)
Quote from: Gamefreak on January 08, 2007, 02:16:14 PM
QuoteSo your not worried that alot of people and animals could die in the next 50 years? That our ways of living could be forever changed?
We're all going to die eventually, I'm not worried.
Would your future children agree? After all, the world doesn't just belong to us,it belongs to the future children who have to live in this world and if we don't take care of it, they will have to live in a pretty messed up world.
When our time comes, it comes. It doesn't make any difference. If we fix global warming, we'll die of cancer, if we fix cancer, we might be hit by some maniac on the road. You can't fix these things, what happens, happens.
I don't know much about science, so what are the cons of global warming exactly? :-\ Can't possibly be an ice age if it'll get warmer, I know. :-\
Quote from: Gamefreak on January 09, 2007, 03:12:22 PM
When our time comes, it comes. It doesn't make any difference. If we fix global warming, we'll die of cancer, if we fix cancer, we might be hit by some maniac on the road. You can't fix these things, what happens, happens.
tell that to all the kids who's mothers have died of cancer. There's a reason why we created medication so people don't die in horrible ways. I wish people could die all in old age, but they don't. So we must solve problems, so we can have hope for the future.
We fix one way to die, we'll die another, no use trying to change the inevitable.
Quote from: Vaati on January 09, 2007, 04:14:17 PM
I don't know much about science, so what are the cons of global warming exactly? :-\ Can't possibly be an ice age if it'll get warmer, I know. :-\
a lot of things are supposed to cahnge because of it, the most significant being the apocalypse part of it-the ice caps will melt and flood the earth.
Not to mention several species will die, and that will upset the Ecosystems of the world and destroy the food chains. Then we would be affected and likely die.
omg! we watched that movie in earth science and had to write a report on it... actually it was due today! lol
i think i did very well...
I know this is a little late but you should really watch that movie, it has some good stuff in it. It's not that boring by the way.
I don't want to watch it, because I have a pretty strong dislike of Al Gore and all his works.
wait a mintue...this show is written by Al Gore or something?
The movie was made by Al Gore.
That kinda drops the amount of credibility i can give it....sorry guys, just the way it is.
What's wrong with Al Gore?
A lot of things.
Sure he might be a bit boring, but what else?
Quote from: Commodore Axilon on January 17, 2007, 06:29:47 PM
Sure he might be a bit boring, but what else?
A bit boring?! Put him together with John Kerry and you got most boring conversation ever. Why can't the Democrats nominate someone with some charisma, like Howard Dean....WHAAAAAAAAA!
That's too much charisma. Having that much energy would throw the Democrats for a loop.
Howard Dean scares the heck out of me, he has way to much enthuasiasm, which is why he lost.
Oh, and Al Gore...I don't like him, that's all.
howard dean would have won the election had the democrats picked him as the canidate, that is what many political spectators beleve
Jesus, you hear that Al Gore does it and you think that its something to ignore completely!
Shows how ignorant people are.
I dare anyone to watch an inconvenient truth and say that just because its from Al Gore, that you shouldn't trust it, which is entirely opinionated. You should not use subjective thinking (that is, to promote an argument) when watching this. You should use Objectivity to think about the facts, observe them, study them, without letting one's opinions get in the way.
But too many people are subjective and think always about 'agenda'. How about we for once, think objectively with an open mind and conscience? We always judge things before we actually know them. In the case of objectivity, you have to be a passive observer, using reason, not one's opinions influence it.
Quote from: bgrugby on January 17, 2007, 06:41:54 PM
Quote from: Commodore Axilon on January 17, 2007, 06:29:47 PM
Sure he might be a bit boring, but what else?
A bit boring?! Put him together with John Kerry and you got most boring conversation ever. Why can't the Democrats nominate someone with some charisma, like Howard Dean....WHAAAAAAAAA!
Hey! I'm a democrat! >:(
So am I! >:( >:(
Can we PLEASE leave politics out of the discussion? This is about saving our planet, not politics!
Technically so am I, but that doesn't mean I voted Democrat in the last presidential election or in every election. I vote for the whoever I think is the best person. Of course with the last presidential election, there was nothing to choose from but I did vote for Gore in '00.
When I thought about it, I sorta got the idea that you were in fact, a democrat...
Oh well, whatever...
Now if only I could figure outhow to not go to school tomorrow... II have to take an exam that they won't even grade... :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Mainly cause my physics teacher didn't teach anything, normally we woulda been taking the Physics eoc. But in his words
Quoteyou don't use physics in real life
What a moron... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
An exam that won't even be graded? Ok never heard of that before, although grading is the biggest pain. Sounds like a disgruntled or burned out teacher to me for someone to say something like that in the area they profess and are supposedly an expert.
nope. course you dont use physics in real life, laser techinicians just guess all the time. lucky we haven't been blwon up yet. and I'm not watching the video becuase I don't like Gore, it's because I don't believe Global Warming is a problem, because if you're Christian, that pretty much destroys all evidence, since most of what they say is based on what has happened over the billions of years, when the bible says the earth is only a few thousand years old.
Quote from: bgrugby on January 18, 2007, 05:59:21 PM
An exam that won't even be graded? Ok never heard of that before, although grading is the biggest pain. Sounds like a disgruntled or burned out teacher to me for someone to say something like that in the area they profess and are supposedly an expert.
The thing is, he's REALLY not an expert. The only reason he's teaching the class is because the previous teacher got transferred to another class, so my physics class got dropped on him. The man knows NOTHING about physics, or science in general. I'm not kidding, I had him last year for Earth science and he wasn't exactly that challenging or comprehensive...
REason why the other guy got transferred from physics is cause he doesn't have a degree in it. Actually, we haven't had a guy with a degree in physics for like three years. But the previous guy at least knew and understood the definitions of physics.
Our school is sucky, cause we have so many subs, and so few licensed teachers, and even the good teachers are thinking about leaving or 'retiring'. Bunch of cowaords they are.
OH yeah, and SN: if you notice that weather has been getting awkward lately compared to, ohh, the past few decades, then religion isn't really an excuse to deny global warming. Just look at the glaciers melting and less snowfall everywhere, you don't have to believe that the earth is billions of years old to realize that something is
VERY[/u] wrong.
And I heard about a guy who talked about how caring for our earth is a religious concern. I believe he was an evangelist...
Hmmm wow compared to my state where we have so many licensed teachers who cannot find jobs cause there is no demand for it.
We are also assured the earth won't be ended like that though, so I'm still not worried. as for the less snow everywhere thing, Our snowfall is like the highest it's ever been.
That's the point, extremely abnormal weather patterns. One place may get a lot of snow and it may look like global warming is nonexistant, but if you look at the entire planet, other places where snow was dominant, and is now falling (take a look at europe and the glaciers) then you see that there's a problem.
I'm not saying i believe this, but iI'm just going to project a point that's against Global Warming.
This point is taken from a Discovery Channel documentary:
"The Earth is, without a doubt, experiencing a temperature change. The average temp has gone up about 1 degree, which may not seem like alot, but it is.
Some are not so sure about this global warming thing, and, to see if it was true, they went down to the Antarctic and studied some.
While there, a theory was proposed: that the Earth goes through cycles of warmth and cold, and that our Earth is going into a warm cycle. This means that it would have nothing to do with humans.
But what supports this theory?
Here is what does: The scientists drilled down into the ice for a core ice sample of the Anatarctic (which is when they drill down many miles to see what they can find in the ice. The drill only takes out a small,cylinder-like section of ice, so don't worry). After studying the ice, the scientist had noticed a pattern in the ice: There were periods of extreme cold in the past, and periods of extreme warmth. This proves that global warming is not true, and that it is just a cycle thing."
Now, this fact is not my opinion, just anoth idea that seems very convincing to me. True, humans may be speeding up the process, but it could have natural roots.
If you'd watched An Inconvenient Truth you'd know he adressed that, too. It's much hotter and going at a much faster rate now. He had a whole chart and everything.
Which, i did state. if it is nature rooted, then, fine. But humans may be speeding it up at a harmful rate.
as for abnormal weather patterns, aren't they also caused be El Nino, a natural event?
First of all, I also heard about the antarctic ice drilling. They also found that there seems to be a significant increase in CO2 gas compared to previous eras, and this is having an adverse affect.
We've also had El Nino in the past, but we never had something that was totally out of wack as it is now. Even if humans aren't the problem, that doesn't mean we should do nothing about it.
Do we really want to destroy ourselves through our own ignorance?
I don't really believe it's global warming being the reason why all these things are happening.
How is it ignorance? I'm not being ignorant, i was simply putting another theory out there! I never said i took it as the truth!
I was not refering to you or anyone else, Masterkey. I was making a point that the whole of humanity has the habit of being ignorant, and interested in their own things rather than the common good.
So... whatever...