Ok this is a cry for help please tell me I am not the only split timeliner (aka Splitter) out there cause it is obvious that the timeline of Hyrule follows a split timeline (hello all of you have heard of the Oracle series...they happen at the same time). Please tell me I am not the only one who follows the Split Timeline Theory...and if there are others please exchange your theories.
There are more (lots of them). So don't feel lonely. I don't believe it (and no, it's not obvious. It's just as possible as a single timeline), but I gotta admit most split timeline theories are really good.
QuoteOk this is a cry for help please tell me I am not the only split timeliner (aka Splitter) out there cause it is obvious that the timeline of Hyrule follows a split timeline (hello all of you have heard of the Oracle series...they happen at the same time). Please tell me I am not the only one who follows the Split Timeline Theory...and if there are others please exchange your theories.
The Oracles don't happen at the same time. Never played a linked game? Anyway, like LadyNintendo said, there are many splitters. Although the timeline theory I currently most believes in is single I also do have a split timeline. And I don't think it's unlikely.
Quote from: Evilslayer on January 12, 2007, 05:30:37 AM
QuoteOk this is a cry for help please tell me I am not the only split timeliner (aka Splitter) out there cause it is obvious that the timeline of Hyrule follows a split timeline (hello all of you have heard of the Oracle series...they happen at the same time). Please tell me I am not the only one who follows the Split Timeline Theory...and if there are others please exchange your theories.
The Oracles don't happen at the same time. Never played a linked game? Anyway, like LadyNintendo said, there are many splitters. Although the timeline theory I currently most believes in is single I also do have a split timeline. And I don't think it's unlikely.
Actually never played a linked game and never heard of one until Oracles. But the fact remains. In both Oracles, Link went to the Triforce, from different directions. That (and OoT) is to me clear proof of a split timeline theory...I cannot even believe in a singular theory anymore like I used to.
I use whatever theory best fits the plot of the fanfic I'm writing, and a split timeline theory isn't really one of them. Nor would I try to come up with one; I would just get one big headache thinking about the time paradoxes. Talking about my multiple universe theory is bad enough. However, a split timeline theory is possible depending on how you interpret the evidence you find in the games.
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on January 12, 2007, 08:25:18 PM
I use whatever theory best fits the plot of the fanfic I'm writing, and a split timeline theory isn't really one of them. Nor would I try to come up with one; I would just get one big headache thinking about the time paradoxes. Talking about my multiple universe theory is bad enough. However, a split timeline theory is possible depending on how you interpret the evidence you find in the games.
Well I interpret the history from what the creators say when they basically said OoT had two endings (one with Link getting sent back to being a kid with kid Zelda and one without a Link, cause he was sent back, and an adult Zelda and sealed Ganon) and them saying Wind Waker takes place after the OoT ending where there is no Link. And also how it makes sense that some Hyrule's in Zelda game belong in one split timeline and others belong in another.
Well, my question is, to when was Link send back and what are the consequences of the split at that time?
There are only a few logical moments:
* Brought back to that moment he woke up and met Navi.
* Brought back to the point after helping the Deku Tree.
* Brought back to before/after meeting Zelda
* Brought back to after opening the door to the Master Sword.
* Brought back to the moment after he entered the Sacred Realm (Ganon is inside)
* Brought back to the last moment he went to the adult timeline.
The first three don't make much sense if you think about it. Mostly because he wasn't at the ToT at that time.
The fourth one would end with a dead Link since Ganon was following him. And no way Link could defeat him as a nine (whatever) year old.
The fifth one is possible, but why on earth didn't they do that the "first" time? Also, if the sacred Realm is a timeless realm (hinted by being the place Link uses to travel between the adult and child years), then we have two Links.
The last one is impossible as well: There's a timeloop that doesn't get completed, meaning it could never have occured meaning the ending is impossible. Also, again, two Links.
Also, if we use the first explanations, a lot of things Link did never happen. Zelda is still in danger, the Skulltula family is still cursed and Nabooru is doomed (unless Zelda expects him to risk his life again). Probably more, but this is the only stuff I can come up with now. I'm also wondering if and how this affects other dimensions.
The whole split theory makes sense, but in TWW, the King of Red Lions says the Hero of Time left Hyrule, and that is why the Triforce of Courage is split into eight(?) pieces. How would he know that if the Hero of Time left Hyrule in the other timeline, according to the theory.
Also, where would TP fit into the split theory, because Link has the Triforce of Courage in that game.
Quote from: LadyNintendo on January 13, 2007, 03:59:06 AM
Well, my question is, to when was Link send back and what are the consequences of the split at that time?
There are only a few logical moments:
* Brought back to that moment he woke up and met Navi.
* Brought back to the point after helping the Deku Tree.
* Brought back to before/after meeting Zelda
* Brought back to after opening the door to the Master Sword.
* Brought back to the moment after he entered the Sacred Realm (Ganon is inside)
* Brought back to the last moment he went to the adult timeline.
The first three don't make much sense if you think about it. Mostly because he wasn't at the ToT at that time.
The fourth one would end with a dead Link since Ganon was following him. And no way Link could defeat him as a nine (whatever) year old.
The fifth one is possible, but why on earth didn't they do that the "first" time? Also, if the sacred Realm is a timeless realm (hinted by being the place Link uses to travel between the adult and child years), then we have two Links.
The last one is impossible as well: There's a timeloop that doesn't get completed, meaning it could never have occured meaning the ending is impossible. Also, again, two Links.
Also, if we use the first explanations, a lot of things Link did never happen. Zelda is still in danger, the Skulltula family is still cursed and Nabooru is doomed (unless Zelda expects him to risk his life again). Probably more, but this is the only stuff I can come up with now. I'm also wondering if and how this affects other dimensions.
I do not know what nonsense you are talking about cause even in the actual ending of OoT you see a Young Link meeting a Young Zelda in the courtyard. And obviously Link remembers everything that has happened and Zelda has dreamed about Link before and so she believes his story and there you go. I love how you try to put down every other timeline story but your own.
Hey, whoa, slow down. You're going on the assumption that Ganondorf isn't Link's father. :P
It's questions like that that stop me from trying to come up with a split timeline theory. But, hey, if anyone comes up with a split timeline that'll make a great story, let me know. I much rather read timelines for the sake of a story. That's why I like reading The Missing Link's The Book of Mudora so much.
Quote from: bgrugby on January 13, 2007, 09:48:08 PM
Quote from: LadyNintendo on January 13, 2007, 03:59:06 AM
Well, my question is, to when was Link send back and what are the consequences of the split at that time?
There are only a few logical moments:
* Brought back to that moment he woke up and met Navi.
* Brought back to the point after helping the Deku Tree.
* Brought back to before/after meeting Zelda
* Brought back to after opening the door to the Master Sword.
* Brought back to the moment after he entered the Sacred Realm (Ganon is inside)
* Brought back to the last moment he went to the adult timeline.
The first three don't make much sense if you think about it. Mostly because he wasn't at the ToT at that time.
The fourth one would end with a dead Link since Ganon was following him. And no way Link could defeat him as a nine (whatever) year old.
The fifth one is possible, but why on earth didn't they do that the "first" time? Also, if the sacred Realm is a timeless realm (hinted by being the place Link uses to travel between the adult and child years), then we have two Links.
The last one is impossible as well: There's a timeloop that doesn't get completed, meaning it could never have occured meaning the ending is impossible. Also, again, two Links.
Also, if we use the first explanations, a lot of things Link did never happen. Zelda is still in danger, the Skulltula family is still cursed and Nabooru is doomed (unless Zelda expects him to risk his life again). Probably more, but this is the only stuff I can come up with now. I'm also wondering if and how this affects other dimensions.
I do not know what nonsense you are talking about cause even in the actual ending of OoT you see a Young Link meeting a Young Zelda in the courtyard. And obviously Link remembers everything that has happened and Zelda has dreamed about Link before and so she believes his story and there you go. I love how you try to put down every other timeline story but your own.
Talk about rude. Very rude. I'm not saying the split timeline is nonsense, I just say which questions it causes me to ask. Like there aren't any questions to ask with the single timeline theory.
I'll try to explain it again (though I assume you understand the first four. Therefore, I'm ignoring them and only re-explain the last two):
Time and space are not the same thing. If you'd go back in time now, you won't end up on Mars, but wherever you are now. Space is something else that needs to be taken care of. Suppose Link was send back to after Ganon had entered the Sacred Realm (so he'd be locked away in the Sacred Realm. Would be rather convenient since Zelda wouldn't be safe otherwise and Link dead in one case). Link would be in the Sacred Realm as well at that time. No matter what, there's been a period there were two Links: one in the Light World and one in the Sacred Realm. Is Rauru gonna let him "sleep" forever or kill him so he won't interfere with the life of the Link in the Light World? Wouldn't really be fair, huh? Also, chances are big Nabooru will still be brainwashed by Twinrova. I wouldn't know of any changes in the new timeline that would prevent that. Now, I'm gonna assume that since Zelda aknowledges she did something wrong because of ignorance at the end of OOT, she wouldn't put Link or anyone else in anymore danger. Then either Nabooru is doomed in the child timeline or Link must be prepared to take the risk to warn and/or free her again! He's put in danger again and there's a chance he won't survive it another time. I can't imagine adult Zelda doing that to them.
And like I said, what does this split timeline mean for the other realms connected to the "Hyrule realm". Are they split too? If yes, then one Termina has been destroyed and there's a crazy Majora's Mask on the lose who could easily get to Hyrule, which wouldn't have a hero to protect it anymore! If they do not split as well, then what decides where travelers get if they use the gates to get from one realm to the "Hyrule realm"? There are two equally possible destinies.
I don't think the part in which Zelda and Link met eachother in the end is possible. Link has the Triforce and Zelda doesn't. Explain that. Pfaaw, But that is even completely unrelated! How does that part of the ending make the/a single timeline impossible anyway? Of course Link knows everything. I'm not denying that. And of course Zelda will believe him. I'm not denying that either. It still doesn't mean there's no single timeline. Let me ask you this: What in the Adult timeline suggests all these things never happened in their past?
I am not saying a single timeline is impossible, I just don't believe it as it would have too many inconsistancies in it to work for me. And I have no idea what your asking in your last question.
What inconsistencies would these be?
Well one would be the opening of Wind Waker when they go over the legend on how there was no Link to stop Ganon causing the Great Flood, the reason Link was not there to stop Ganon was because he didn't exist as he was sent back at the end of OoT
Uh, the Great Flood happens quite a while after OoT. So why would the Link from OoT have had to have done anything? He was long gone by the time of Ganon's return.
Quote from: Commodore Axilon on January 14, 2007, 11:13:33 AM
Uh, the Great Flood happens quite a while after OoT. So why would the Link from OoT have had to have done anything?
Well it did not necessarily had to be Link but one of his decendants, but since there was no Link after that ending of OoT he had no decendants, that is why the Link of WW was not related to him and had to earn the right to be the chosen hero, which even shocked the King of Hyrule.
No I am not saying my theory is correct it is just what I have found to be the best, PH could destroy it (i.e. if Ganon is resurrected). But no one for sure what is the right theory (except for perhaps the creators). Heck it could even be all of us making a big deal about this and there is no timeline, every game (except for those that are direct sequals) is simply a new game unrelated to the previous (i.e. the Final Fantasy method).
Of course the purpose of me creating this thread was to discuss with other Splitters but obviously there are none other here (people say there are but they either aren't here anymore or not coming here).
Edit: Ack, let me rephrase that. Why did Link's (OoT) descendants have to have any heroes amongst them? I don't remember any rule stating that all the Links were related.
Quote from: Commodore Axilon on January 14, 2007, 11:20:20 AM
Why do all the Links have to be related?
They don't, as WW showed but since the Triforce of Courage had no holder as htere was no more Link no one had the power to stop Ganon, and obviously no one was strong enough to obtain the Master Sword or inherit the Triforce (which was probably broken apart after Link was sent back explaining why it was in pieces in WW).
The King of Red Lions says that the Triforce of Courage was shattered when the Hero of Time went on another adventure in another land. Which was presumably MM, but now that we have TP I have no idea what he could be referring to.
Anyway, my point is the Hero of Time was obviously around after he defeated Ganondorf and the KoRL knew this, so the only possible explanation is that TWW happens after the Hero of Time returns to the past. Therefore I see no inconsistency.
Quote from: Commodore Axilon on January 14, 2007, 11:31:11 AM
The King of Red Lions says that the Triforce of Courage was shattered when the Hero of Time went on another adventure in another land. Which was presumably MM, but now that we have TP I have no idea what he could be referring to.
Anyway, my point is the Hero of Time was obviously around after he defeated Ganondorf and the KoRL knew this, so the only possible explanation is that TWW happens after the Hero of Time returns to the past. Therefore I see no inconsistency.
Ok well that is your theory, and again I hope other splitters show up so that we can discuss what they think (especially since I am a newcomer on the splitter bandwagon) and hear their theories, not have single line theorist come in and talk about how a Split timeline is impossible.
If there's a split timeline, it could still be possible: the other adventure being sent back in time. In a single timeline, we've got LA, OOA and OOS to be "another" adventure.
QuoteWhat in the Adult timeline suggests all these things never happened in their past?
I mean, my believe in the single timeline is that everything that happened in the child timeline, including the ending, happened in the past of the adult timeline (ie, single timeline = adult timeline is the future of the child timeline, and the child timeline is the past of the future one). The adult timeline ended well and had everything solved. Why create a new timeline that requires the hero a hardly lesser amount of trouble if he wants to solve the same problems he solved earlier? That's hardly a reward. But, if the timelines are the same, Link can just leave for seven years and do whatever he wants, because the other sleeping Link will solve all problems. And when he's done, he gets send back in time as a reward and the Link that had a break can claim his rightfull place.
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When Link goes back after defeating Ganon that creates a split because when Link goes back obviously Ganon is dealt with cause Link tells Zelda what happened (Ganon's punishment was probably shown in TP). That means it is impossible for the events that happened to adult Link to happen in OoT thus creating a split or alternate timeline (stole that from Back to the Future) on that continues with Link and Zelda and one that continues on after Link left and adult Zelda.
Huh? I have no idea what you're trying to say. Clarify please.
I miss the logic in the first sentence and therefore in the rest. Please clarify.
EDIT: After writing an EXTREMELY long explaination, I realized something was amiss, as something from TP came to my mind. So as of right now I got nothing to say till I finish TP again cause right now it could be throwing a major curveball into some of my game orders. I need a stiff drink now :-X
Nothing? Not even a hint? 8)
Can't you at least tell us what you thought it was?
Pretty please. :)
Go here, this video will explain it better then I can right now, especially since a few things in TP (especially one scene) is bugging me right now about the order:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15194&pl=game&type=wmv (http://www.gametrailers.com/player.php?id=15194&pl=game&type=wmv)
P.S. there is an video ad before it.
Edit4: Arrgh! This is really getting on my nerves! I had it, then I didn't, I had it again, then I didn't again. Right now I'm installing the necessary plugin, so it might take awhile. How did you get it? What's your media player?
Quote from: Commodore Axilon on January 14, 2007, 04:54:31 PM
Edit3: Man, screw this. My computer must suck or something, 'cause this is taking too friggin' long. Can't you just tell me what it says?
Sorry it gives me a headache everytime trying to explain it besides I do not want to think about it till I play through TP again, it should work cause I just checked the link, it is a pretty long movie (about 15 minutes) so it might take some time.
Quote from: bgrugby on January 14, 2007, 11:11:14 AM
Well one would be the opening of Wind Waker when they go over the legend on how there was no Link to stop Ganon causing the Great Flood, the reason Link was not there to stop Ganon was because he didn't exist as he was sent back at the end of OoT
Or because he was in Termina.
Quote from: Evahn on January 14, 2007, 07:10:05 PM
Quote from: bgrugby on January 14, 2007, 11:11:14 AM
Well one would be the opening of Wind Waker when they go over the legend on how there was no Link to stop Ganon causing the Great Flood, the reason Link was not there to stop Ganon was because he didn't exist as he was sent back at the end of OoT
Or because he was in Termina.
Thats a definite possibility, but I think that when Link went to Termina, that is when the war broke out between Ganondorf and Hyrule which led to the original Zeldas and others.
I also thought that it was because the Hero of Time went to Termina that the Hero of Wind had to search for the Triforce of Courage, but in TP, Link already has the Triforce of Courage ...
Which of the split timelines does TP go into? If TWW is in one, then TP would be in the other, right?
So when the Hero of Time returns to his own time, and leaves for Termina, he would keep the Triforce piece, and therefore pass it to TP Link (the Hero of Twilight?). However, in the other timeline, the Triforce piece would be split because he no longer existed?
Did I get any of that right, or did I just make that up?
Well that is what I am trying to figure out right now, if you watch the video it will show you where WW belongs which makes perfect sense, but right now after beating TP there is alot of conflicting ideas on where it belongs, of course that timeline was made before TP so everything could change which is why I am playing through TP again to figure out some things.
Why couldn't the Triforce of Courage have been split by TP Link? I know that the KoRL said that it was the Hero of Time, but really it's been like 1,000 years since OoT, and a couple hundred since TP, how could he possibly be sure.
That's what I was thinking. It seems as though for the single timelime to work, TP Link must split it, which is entirely possible. Also, TWW's opening would have to be talking about TP. But there is the line "he appeared as if from nowhere" ...
And does TKoRL say specifically that it was the Hero of Time? I can't remember.
Quote from: Evahn on January 15, 2007, 11:43:19 AM
And does TKoRL say specifically that it was the Hero of Time? I can't remember.
I'm not sure either, but I think he does. Either that or something along the lines of "the ancient hero," or "the great hero."
You guys have fun with your topic cause as I said I am not posting anything more relevent until I finish TP again or another Splitter shows up.
QuoteWhy couldn't the Triforce of Courage have been split by TP Link?
Because it was split AFTER the Great Flood. Unless Link hid the shards in the sky...
QuoteOr because he was in Termina.
The Great Flood happened
at least many generations after OoT, and when he returns from Termina the world does not look flooded (I don't believe that forest can have been in the mountains).
QuoteActually never played a linked game and never heard of one until Oracles. But the fact remains. In both Oracles, Link went to the Triforce, from different directions. That (and OoT) is to me clear proof of a split timeline theory...I cannot even believe in a singular theory anymore like I used to.
The linked game proves that it is ONE story. In both he meets Twinrova, and in both he meets Ganon.
Quote from: Evilslayer on January 26, 2007, 07:45:21 AM
QuoteWhy couldn't the Triforce of Courage have been split by TP Link?
Because it was split AFTER the Great Flood. Unless Link hid the shards in the sky...
Huh? They would have been hid on the mountains. Notice how they're all really close to the islands. Mountains don't decline at a 90° angle, you know.
The splitter does exist. Link was sent back in time and pretty much messed everything up, creating a space time continuim thingy (spelling is wrong, I know) that erased the entire Adult Link world. It was proven with the release of MM, because that is clearly OOT Link.
I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here. Are you saying there is a split timeline?
yes I think there is one, if you want some help in this topic just search in youtube for zelda retrospective 6, it gives all details about the split timeline and some stuff of why MC should be first.