Ok, before you deny what I'm about to say, read it. I think I have proof Termina is in the same world as Hyrule. As you know, Link got into Termina through a portal in Lost Woods, and if anyone else gos in there besides him, and the kokiri they turn to Stalfos or Skull kids. So here's my proof.
1. The happy mask salesman is in Termina but he is originally from Hyrule.Since he can't go through lost woods without being turned to a Stalfos, he must of gone through another way (like by traveling across a border to Termina).
2. The eastern border of Termina looks almost exactly like the western border of Hyrule from OoT. This could mean they are connected.
3. When you give the sirlion rock to the goron in Mountian Village, he says it tastes like the ones in Dodongos Cavern. He wouldn't know about Dodongos Cavern unless he had been there. He couldn't go through the lost woods portal either so he had to go another way also.
4. Termina is also populated with the same races as Hyrule. Most people say this is becuase its a parallel world so it would have some similarities. However all the other parallel worlds ( like the Twilight Realm in Twilight Princess) have diffrent races. Thus the races in Termina must have immigrated from Hyrule.
Let me make this clear before I go on. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm not exactly saying you're right. The whole thing is a matter of interpreting the evidence given in the game and a whole lot of guess work. All I'm going to do is point out a few things. If you still like what you came up with better, then by all means go with it. I myself use whatever theory best suits the plot of the story I'm writing.
Now that that's out of the way, let me throw out some more points to consider.
1.) Are you sure he's originally from Hyrule? Sure, his debut was in OoT, but that's not to say that he isn't from Termina. Perhaps he is a Terminian who knows how to get to Hyrule. No where in OoT or MM does he discuss his past life, so his land of birth can be either Hyrule or Termina. Also, he can go through the Lost Woods without turning into a Stalchild. Look at Mido, Saria, Link, and that one Kokiri you get the Poacher's Saw from in the trading sequence. They have all kept their original form in the Lost Woods. So people turning into Stalchildren in the Lost Woods is either a rumor, or it takes a long time for someone to turn into a Stalchild.
2.) This is actually a good point. This could mean Hyrule and Termina are connected. However, it could just be coincidence. It all depends on how you want to interpret it.
3.) Keep in mind that Anju was a duplicate of the Cucco Lady in Kakariko Village. So either she (and a few other people) have twins with one living in Termina and one living in Hyrule, or Termina is a different dimension and just happen to have a cavern that's also called Dodongo's Cavern. Again, it's up to how you explain the duplicates in Termina.
4.) Here's something else to keep in mind: centaurs are a Greek mythological creature. But centaurs are also in The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe by C.S. Lewis. Obviously, Ancient Greece and Narnia are not with in the same plane of existance. This leaves open the possibility that parallel worlds can have the same races.
Again, I'm not saying that you're wrong and that I'm right. I'm just throwing out some more points for people. If you don't want to use them, then don't, but don't be so quick to dismiss them.
The other Kokiri is called Fado and it's Terminan, not Terminian.
I wouldn't know if Termina and Hyrule are in the same dimension, but I've always thought they are. We all know the "excuse" for the similar looking characters is the fact it was easier for Nintendo to use old models rather than have to fill a new world completely with new models. Just like they didn't bother to create different models for all non-humanoids. The art at least makes the Hyruleans and Terminans look different. They can't be the same people either if we look at Cremia and Romani. I doubt Romani will look identical to her big sis when she's grown up (ergo, she's not similar to Malon).
One, I like using Terminian. That's what I personally use. It's like how it can be either Hyrulian or Hyrulean (I use the latter).
Two, we're going to push aside the fact that Nintendo used the same models as an explanation. That sort of takes out the fun of creating an explanation of why there would be people in Termina who looked similar to people in Hyrule. I mean, can you imagine going to Termina and saying to Romani, "Hey, you look like this one ranch chick I know back in Hyrule because the guys at Nintendo used the same model for you as they used for her"? Maybe only in a Zelinku Productions story.
If someone gets lost in the Lost Woods they become Stalfos.. Maybe the Happy Mask Salesman have a good sence of direction...? Termina and Hyrule is not in the same dimension since allmost all of the characters in OoT is reused in MM... If not everyone has a twin in Termina that is.. ???
Uhm, no one that gets lost in the Lost Woods becomes a Stalfos... that's all wrong. We all know what you mean though.
Stalkid's the thing...
And I used to call you my great Zelda Master :'(
Just kidding, I'm sure it was just a glich.
And Terminia is in another dimension. A paralel universe/dimension/world.
When u get the blue cuccoo for the ugly guy in the Lost Woods in the quest for the BigGoron Sword... ur suposed to get something for him.. When u get back with it he's gone and theres a Kokiri girl there who says he became a stalFOS.. and by the way... it's Skullkid.. not Stalkid -_-'
TERMINA! Not Terminia! And how do you know it's in another dimension?
The girl is called Fado, and yes, it bothers me when people don't know her name. :-\ Though I guess I can't blame anyone for not knowing that.
Aah, right. Sorry Larwaa.
yeah Termina, Sorry, just stuck up in an old habbit i guess:P
Dont worry though, Im about to play through the game again, Iæll get it stright after that. :P
hihi :P instead of pushing the ' button he pushed the æ on the keyboard.. Wich is a Norwegian and Danish letter :) Way to go Kris :P
HAHAHA! Funniest ever! And btw, people turn into skullkids in the lost woods. not stalfos! Seriously...
I remember her saying Stalfos.. even though I've always thought.. "ey thats wrong! its skullkid! " but probably me just jumping through the text and seeing something that looked like Stalfos when it really was Skullkid... ;)
anyways... back to topic :P
It should be Skullkid, other things seems so weird. Stalfos seems completely out of the picture... Then we'd have to kill the poor fellow. :-*
Back to topic, answer to headline - no.
Lost Woods +
Kokiri = Skullkids
"Everybody" (think she means humanoids) = Stalfos.
Yeah, I just mix the names all the time. I always mean the small wood-like creatures with no face. Poor fellows, no face... :(
Anyways, yeah... whatever. forgot my own words again.
It really is up to interpretation. Zelda just doesn't really give us any clear cut answers. I really don't see why everyone can't come up with multiple versions of Hyrules where you used different interpretations of the evidence you find. That's one of the reasons I like Zelda. If I want Termina to be in the same plane as Hyrule, I can, but if I feel like having Termina not be in the same plane, I can make it a different dimension. You all really need to stop acting like your interpretation is the only one. That's why I don't like discussing Zelda theories; you all get so serious about it. Lighten up some and open your minds to the possibility of different versions of Hyrule.
I didn't mean to say that mine was the only way, sorry if it came out that way.
Eh, that's how most people who discuss timelines come off as to me.
I thought someone actually said it was in another dimension, like commercial, or dialogue in the game.. But I'm going to play the game again soon, so we'll see then... ;D
I just thought of something. Just becuase Link has to go through a portal (or a warp point or what ever you call them) to get to Termina doesn't mean its in another demention. There ar portals to Goron city and Zora river there and a portal to Zora's domain in lake Hylia and they aren't in alternant dementions.
Indeed, excellent point! How does this continue, I'm eager to learn!
Ok you know how Skullkids can't leave the lost woods after theyve been cursed? Well how come the Skull Kid in MM can leave it and enter Termina? Is he an excepton or can he do this because of Majora's Mask.
Well, it seemed to me that the portal to Termina was inside the Lost Woods, ans also, the Mask grants wishes. If you would read the manga please. :P
Perhaps it's the mask who did it, or perhaps he never left Hyrules Lost Woods, perhaps the portal was indeed in the Lost Woods, and he got to Termina through there. Also, in Termina it seems to me the rules of nature is different, so the Skullkid could roam around freely without anything happening to him.
I thought he got the Majoras Mask in Termina, but I might be wrong...
Does this mean anything to you? Do I help? hehe
Yes it helps thanks. I can't read the manga. I have never found a site that has it in English and I can't exactly read Japaneas.
Zelda Infinite (http://www.zelda-infinite.com) is a good source of translated Zelda manga.
That might've been where I got it, Larwaa sent me the link. He'll know! ;D
Speaking of the Lost Woods. Ok so if Kokiri stay in the lost woods too long they become Skull Kids. How come Saria spends most of the game in the Lost Woods and suffers no effects BEFORE SHE BECOMES A SAGE?
Because it's likely a lie told by the Deku Tree for the Kokiri's protection. You know, like Kokiri can't survive outside the forest, yet they clearly can.
No I mean lost woods not outside the forest. There are Skull Kids that (the anoying) Navi says were once Kokiri.
Anyway can we get back on topic please.
1. She's the FOREST sage
2. She's not Lost in the Lost woods. So she should be fine, remember Mido also goes into the Lost Woods. But none of them get lost, so they both stay Kokiri ;)
Ok I get it now.
First of all, Navi puts a "?" at the end of the sentence. She doesn't know if what she says is true. It's a suggestion, not a statement.
Secondly, I agree that if it is true, a Kokiri has to be lost first in order to transform. Saria, Mido and Fado all didn't change while they arguably have been in the LW for a very long time.
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I didn't mean that in a bad way. Perhaps I should remove it...
I crypted it ;D
You should. You volunteered, so I won't do it.
Hyuga Neji?
I mean What?
WHAT THE HECKS GOIN ON?????? SPEAK ENGLISH!!! AHHHHHH!!! >:( ( has nervous brake down and bangs head on desk) Ouch. ;D
It's Neji Hyuga. In Japanese, the last name comes first.
Oh, and by that I meant you volunteered to remove that bad post, so you do it?
Can we get back on topic?
Ok I think that the Skull Kid used a kind of magic (due to the fact that he has a magic mask on) to teleport to Termina. I'm going with the theory that it is NOT another dimension. I think that it's possible to get there without warping, but the Skull Kid did it so he wouldn't have to walk.
Ya someones on my side ;D *does dance*
Why does the lost woods have all these portals in it anyway? Is it Fary Magic or somthing?
I believe that after the Great Deku Tree past away, the curse of the Kokiri Forest was lifted (ex. the Kokiri at Lon Lon Ranch at the end of OoT and the Marathon Man running into the forest with turning into a Skullkid.)
perhaps the Lost Woods is a connection to other lands
so many lands that directions to them were lost, thus the name.
I still think that if u get LOST in the forest u turn into a skullkid. BUT if u know where ur going then u wont get lost. And I think that the sign that said "Any Kokiri children that leave the forest will die!" was just put there so the deku tree could keep them in a place where they where protected.
If a child or child-like figure (Kokiri) get LOST in the Lost Woods, they become Skullkids. Adults turn into Stalfos.
I think the Kokiri are immortal and can only die of unnatural causes, (poison, murder, etc.) scratch that, ANYONE who LIVES in the Deku Tree's realm FOREVER is immortal to all natural death causes. Outside, without the high fairy magic in the Kokiri Forest and the Deku Tree's protection, they will begin to age and die.
Quote from: Kannochi on March 27, 2007, 08:11:51 AM
If a child or child-like figure (Kokiri) get LOST in the Lost Woods, they become Skullkids. Adults turn into Stalfos.
I think the Kokiri are immortal and can only die of unnatural causes, (poison, murder, etc.) scratch that, ANYONE who LIVES in the Deku Tree's realm FOREVER is immortal to all natural death causes. Outside, without the high fairy magic in the Kokiri Forest and the Deku Tree's protection, they will begin to age and die.
Than why were they hiding from the Giant Deku Babas and Dekus? According to your theory they couldn't kill the Kokiri. Thus there is no reason for the Kokiri to hide in thier houses. And since the Deku Tree died, wouldn't they start ageing?
Okay, by 'natural' I mean die! Poison, intentional death, (murder and suicide) death by bad eating habits, etc. are exceptions, because these are not 'natural'.
If the Kokiri were to age, wouldn't it take a long time for them to do so? Who is to say that the Kokiri didn't return to the forest after the celebration of Ganondorf's fall?
Also, we have to remember that after the Forest Temple was lifted from evil, the Great Deku Tree Sprout came along. I think the protection of the Great Deku Tree would've been revived thus. ;)