Are there any vegetarians OR vegans. They aren't the same thing. Some people take offense to that. Please comment if you don't eat some kind of animal product.
Nope, when I have meat in my face, I don't taste it, I just eat it really fast. Like chicken for one, I love chicken, and if it weren't for turkey, there would be no stuffing, at least the good kind of stuffing.
Are you sure about the stuffing part, Wolf Link? Maybe whoever invented stuffing just made it, and someone else thought that it would be a good thing to combine stuffing and turkey. ;)
I don't know, but thats the way that makes it good. :) :D
Stuffing = seasoned breadcrumbs and meal.
I've had a few friends that are vegan, they were brother and sister by the way. also quite hippyish :D :D :D :D :D :D
the brother is about my age, and the sister's two years older than the brother.
Norman says he's a vegetarian, but if you put chicken in his face, he wont think about eating it, its gone before you even give it to him, I don't know why, but thats the only meat he'll eat, and sometimes he'll eat peperoni... But other than that, he don't like meat.
We aren't talking about Thanksgiving, unless it's about Tofurkey. Now that's good! Yes, I have been asked if I was a hippy! ;D ;D ;D
I'm neither vegan or vegetarian, although I'll often follow a vegetarian diet. I ate meat today for the first time in a few months, and it was chicken. Usually my meat intake stays at fish and seafood, and my protein comes from oatmeal (surprisingly high in protein), eggs, and fat-free cottage cheese and yoghurt.
Something about meat...it just feels uncomfortable in me after I've eaten it.
I also like swapping good vegetarian recipes, and trying to veganize recipes for friends.
But I can't technically be classified as either, I'm afraid.
Well back in high school there were periods of time during each year that I was basically a vegetarian, during wrestling season. All I could really eat was salad, carrots, pasta, and celery to cut weight...made Thanksgiving and Christmas terrible.
ouch, I can imagine...thats why I don't wrestle, I would like to stay at a comfortable weight...and I'm not overweight either, so I'm happy...plus I just think wrestling looks wrong...
I'm not vegetarian, but I'm glad they exist. More meat for me.
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on January 18, 2007, 08:55:22 PM
ouch, I can imagine...thats why I don't wrestle, I would like to stay at a comfortable weight...and I'm not overweight either, so I'm happy...plus I just think wrestling looks wrong...
I'm not vegetarian, but I'm glad they exist. More meat for me.
Hehe yeah alot of people say that...until I put them in a front headlock and choke them out till they are about to pass out >:(....Just messing...or am I?
:-[......meep...... :-[
dont hurt me :'(
I respect vegetarians and vegans. I also have a slight understanding on why most of them choose to be vegetarian. I wouldn't try to trick one into eating meat. However, my respect for one will disappear the instant they try to get me to be a vegetarian. I've been eating meat all my life, and it's natural for me, just as it's natural for wolves to eat deer. So if you are a vegetarian or vegan, I ask that you respect my eating habits, and I'll respect yours.
And what you said is all true but I have had many Vegetarian's/Vegan's come up to me and tell me I am wrong and I have even had red paint thrown at me after I walked out of a Burger King once (let me assure you that punk got what he deserved after that >:( ) But I do not care what you eat or what you believe as long as you do not try to preach to me.
That is really cool collaboration. I was thinking about becoming a wrestler. I have had people come up to me and said "More meat for me then". Thank you Hi no Seijin. I hate when people try to get me to eat meat. My respect for you has just gone up so much. But I do get into debates with my friends they'll start and I'll have to react to.
I AM NOT a vegan and I severely detest them, unless for dieting reasons, if for animal rights reasons well God wouldn't have made animals so dang tasty if He didn't want us to eat em'.
Hahaha! I'm not one for the animal rights thing either, Harashi.
All animal rights? Or just the crazy PETA stuff?
I do think some of the things that PETA does is wrong, like throwing blood on someone. I STRONGLY hate the IDEA of fur, but I don't think anyone deserves blood poured on them. Why do you severely detest them? I DON'T CARE how anyone live their lives. I won't get into any religion so please don't bring that into it again. PETA is not crazy, just a little over the top, sometimes.
Okay, wait, I think I may have come across wrong. I have no problem with vegetarians. I'm not sure what a vegan is really, but I probably wouldn't have a problem with them either. I don't agree with their view, but I don't care if they have it. Just like different religions. We have a right ot be who we want. We don't have the right to try to make others believe what we believe though. So I stand on the same ground as HNS.
So, at the risk of sounding ignorant, what is a vegan?
Someone who eats no animal products at all (i.e. eggs, cheese, etc.).
I can't imagine life without milk.
All animal rights. Animal welfare, that's entirely different. But animal rights and animal rights groups I find appalling. I'm not particularly interested in getting into the details with this as it's a massive debate and a pretty feisty one.
Shikamaru Nara-- It's not just eggs and cheese vegans eliminate from their diets. It also includes anything animal related, which involves a host of products, especially pre-packaged stuff. Even some types of sugar are removed from the strict vegan diet because certain types of processing and refinement use animal by-products.
Sorry if this is off topic, but I don't like the idea of an animal dying just for their fur. Honestly, if you're going to kill an animal, use all the parts. Eat the meat, use the skin and/or fur for clothing, use the bones to make art supplies. Just make sure you use up whatever you can.
wasn't waste what got the native americans mad at the settlers? you would think we would learn in all this time...
That seems a little harsh Harashi. What have they done to earn your ridicule besides having a different view than you. I don't agree with vegetarians either, but I don't detest and ridicule them.
I don't think you came across wrong Shikamaru Nara. A vegan also doesn't eat honey, figs, etc. That's one of the reasons I don't like the idea of fur. Let me ask you a question HNS. What if, hypothetically speaking, I tried to get you to eat meat. Now I know your respect for me being a vegan would go away, but would you try to trick me by putting meat in my food? I don't ever try to change people. I just try to explain my ideas.
I agree with what HNS said, it better to utilize the animal if you're going to kill it than just waste it away.
PS- PETA annoys the hell out of me. They released an add saying that feeding your children meat was a form of child abuse. Um, psychotic radicals, no?
meat has no harmful side effects, did they state their reasons?
Quote from: Knil on January 20, 2007, 06:08:26 AM
...Let me ask you a question HNS. What if, hypothetically speaking, I tried to get you to eat meat. Now I know your respect for me being a vegan would go away, but would you try to trick me by putting meat in my food? I don't ever try to change people. I just try to explain my ideas.
Um, I think you misunderstood me. I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan. I just don't agree with killing an animal for fur alone. I think that if we're going to kill an animal, we might as well as use up all we can of it. So if you were to try to feed me meat, I would eat it without a problem unless I didn't like the taste or if it was spicy (same thing as not liking the taste I suppose). Perhaps you meant what if you were to try and trick me into eating a vegetarian meal? Well, as long as it doesn't have mushrooms, zucchini, cooked apples, or carrots cooked to the point where they're mushy, I'll eat it. Just because I like meat doesn't mean I don't like fruits and vegetables. I love corn, especially if it's made from frozen corn instead of canned corn. And I am a potatoe and pasta fiend, using up that energy to run up and down stairs.
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on January 20, 2007, 09:30:11 AM
Quote from: Knil on January 20, 2007, 06:08:26 AM
...Let me ask you a question HNS. What if, hypothetically speaking, I tried to get you to eat meat. Now I know your respect for me being a vegan would go away, but would you try to trick me by putting meat in my food? I don't ever try to change people. I just try to explain my ideas.
Um, I think you misunderstood me. I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan. I just don't agree with killing an animal for fur alone. I think that if we're going to kill an animal, we might as well as use up all we can of it. So if you were to try to feed me meat, I would eat it without a problem unless I didn't like the taste or if it was spicy (same thing as not liking the taste I suppose). Perhaps you meant what if you were to try and trick me into eating a vegetarian meal? Well, as long as it doesn't have mushrooms, zucchini, cooked apples, or carrots cooked to the point where they're mushy, I'll eat it. Just because I like meat doesn't mean I don't like fruits and vegetables. I love corn, especially if it's made from frozen corn instead of canned corn. And I am a potatoe and pasta fiend, using up that energy to run up and down stairs.
I typed that wrong. What I meant to say "What if I tried to get you to turn vegan?"
In that case, then yes, my respect for you would disappear. However, since you said you wouldn't try to change a person, then we shouldn't have any problems.
Besides, you'd have to find me first, and that's highly unlikely. I'm a ninja. :P
He's not Ninja; he lives in Virginia!
(did that rhyme?)
actually, my friends are vegeterians... didn't realize the full meaning of vegan....
One, it did rhyme. Two, I am too a ninja!
Three, I knew there was a difference between vegetarian and vegan, but I usually need to be reminded of what that difference is.
If your gonna eat it you may as well use it's fur, people eat bears so it makes sense to save the fur.
I'm not a vegetarian, because I like meat too much. :D Even though I think killing animals is cruel, I love to eat meat.
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on January 20, 2007, 09:09:07 AM
meat has no harmful side effects, did they state their reasons?
Nope, they just kinda threw that out there as an ad.
Actually, meat does have harmful side effects if not cooked properly.
HNS, did i ever tell you i hate you? :P :)
But seriously, meat does more good to a child than harm IF COOKED. :)
HNS, you never answered my question. It is "What if I tried to get you to become a vegetarian? Would you try to trick me into eating meat?
Looks like he has some respect for you still, so probably not...
And eating too much meat can have a detrimental effect on your health. For one thing, Meat has cholesterol. Also, Meat has a lot of fat, while vegetables have very little fat, and it's usually just in oil form. People who eat too much meat might have deficincies in nutrition, for one thing, does meat even have Fiber? Nope, didn't think so.
Oil = Fat. And not all vegetable oil is completely safe! "Everything in moderation," huh?
I do think that the western world does eat a bit too much meat and not enough non-starchy/non-cereal vegetables. It's a diet for a lifestyle that doesn't exist anymore, except in some remote places. Anyone ever heard of the Eveny people of Siberia? I recently read a really good ethnography on them. Anyhow, they're reindeer herders and live almost entirely on meat and cheese. ...But that's because they live in the freaking arctic tundra, there aren't a lot of vegetables, and they need the high levels of protein and fat to stay alive in the super-subzero temperatures. :D
Quote from: Knil on January 25, 2007, 06:42:59 PM
HNS, you never answered my question. It is "What if I tried to get you to become a vegetarian? Would you try to trick me into eating meat?
Oops, sorry, didn't see the "Would you try to trick me into eating meat?" part.
Quite honestly, I don't know. Probably not, but things would definitely become tense between us, and if you kept on trying to persaude me to be a vegetarian, that tension most likely won't go away.
This again all boils down to a respect issue. "Hey I am a vegetarian, do not force me to eat meat" and the "hey I like to eat meat, don't force your beliefs on me". I have no problem with vegetarians or vegans, even though they are missing out, but I have a problem with extremiest like PETA who think it appropriate to pour blood on people just for wearing fur, eating meat, etc.
You know I know you want to express yourselves but being idiots is not one of them, and probably the most famous PETA member is Pamela Anderson. I ain't going to make a joke about this one but it just shows how intelligent the organization is when their most renowned member is a blithering idiot.
Yes, that would be like appointing Michael Jackson as the head of the CPS....or ARnold Schwartzennegger at the head of a world peace organization...
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on January 25, 2007, 09:51:37 PM
Yes, that would be like appointing Michael Jackson as the head of the CPS....or ARnold Schwartzennegger at the head of a world peace organization...
Or like appointing a killer to the head of a rights group (http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAIngridNewkirkResign.htm)?
*cough* :3
Quote from: Darkphantomime on January 25, 2007, 07:11:16 PM
And eating too much meat can have a detrimental effect on your health. For one thing, Meat has cholesterol. Also, Meat has a lot of fat, while vegetables have very little fat, and it's usually just in oil form. People who eat too much meat might have deficincies in nutrition, for one thing, does meat even have Fiber? Nope, didn't think so.
All right, that all may be true. You got me there.
But i still think meat is an essential part of a healthy persons diet. if you have a little meat and some veggies with some starch, all in moderation, it would be really good for you.
Yes, everything can be healthy. even wine and chocolate. As long as you don't overindulge in anything, it's healthy.
It's weird that you brought it up, but some people think that if you drink wine in small amounts daily, it can be healthy for you. Same goes for dark chocolate. But only in small amounts, not like an animal.
yes, wine can strengthen the liver I think, and chocolate has important antioxidants.
Quote from: bgrugby on January 25, 2007, 09:37:08 PM
This again all boils down to a respect issue. "Hey I am a vegetarian, do not force me to eat meat" and the "hey I like to eat meat, don't force your beliefs on me". I have no problem with vegetarians or vegans, even though they are missing out, but I have a problem with extremiest like PETA who think it appropriate to pour blood on people just for wearing fur, eating meat, etc.
You know I know you want to express yourselves but being idiots is not one of them, and probably the most famous PETA member is Pamela Anderson. I ain't going to make a joke about this one but it just shows how intelligent the organization is when their most renowned member is a blithering idiot.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I think the exact same way. I know I'm missing out. I can't eat so many things and my friends always say that I'm stupid for not eating cheese. I get so scared when people say that they'll try to get me to eat meat. And I'm a shy person, or half of the time I am, so I wont say "Don't do that."
Well, they can't really force you to eat meat. After all, if they had any respect for you at all, they would only joke about that and never actually pressure you to do it.
What I mean to say is if they slip a piece of unnoticeable meat in my food then say, "Ha Ha, you just ate meat!"
does a tiny piece of meat matter that much though? and besides, you didn't eat it intentionally, so you are still following your beliefs.
To some of my vegan friends it doesn't, but others it really bothers them. If someone stuck it in my food, I would probably notice, spit it out, and wash my mouth.
As long as it isn't intentional, i don't see how it would really matter.
Some people see it like cannibalism. If it's that repulsive, then a tiny, unnoticable amount whether intentionally placed or not is still a horrible thing to find out they've eaten.
Along those same lines, some vegans eat strips of meat-flavoured, meat-lookalike soy/veggie products, whereas others find that disgusting and stay away from them. Sort of like eating a piece of pork loin shaped like a human fetus? Yuck. It's all a matter of perspective.
how could it be cannibalism, that's eating your own kind...
Well, in the dictionary, that's what cannibalism is, but some may view cannibalism as eating anything that's alive.
Quote from: MasterKey on January 29, 2007, 05:39:13 PM
Well, in the dictionary, that's what cannibalism is, but some may view cannibalism as eating anything that's alive.
Or anything that's not a plant or mineral, basically. But yeah, that's about the idear. There are a lot of reasons why people become vegans. I don't even know what they all are, and I don't think it's possible
to know what they all are. I am aware that some people become vegan for the sense of community, some even to mask eating disorders, some that don't like animal-based foods or find it gross altogether...and then there are others (the vast majority?) that just do it as a simple matter of personal ethics.
Actually, some poeple become Vegetarian or Vegan because they feel that it would be healthier for them. or maybe it would help them lose weight if they're obese or overweight.
A lot of reasons people do it is because of religion. I want to know is anyone here have one sort of vegetarianism.
"We have learn to take away the -isms in our world." Quote from South Park.
Well, nobody on the forum is a vegetarian. It's just not a very common thing. In fact, i don't know any Vegetarians. :P
Quote from: MasterKey on February 01, 2007, 04:43:00 PM
Well, nobody on the forum is a vegetarian.
The only meat I'll eat are fish and crustaceans, basically seafood. Do I count as a vegetarian?
Oh, i didn't know anyone else was, except for Knil. Well, then you do count as a Vegetarian, in a sense. I was probably wrong by saying that.
But it's true i dont know any Vegetarians in real life. Why, I don't know.
Im a meat -eater.
But I respect vegans .
Oh well they're the ones missing out on tasty meat.... ;D
Buut the peta are pyscho''s nuff said.
I agree, I love meat and could not make it through a day without it. I really do not care if you are a vegetarian or vegan or not but PETA is just nuts. I agree that animals should be treated right, even those that will end up a part of my double whopper with bacon, but doucing people with red paint cause they wear fur is not the most intelligent way to go.
especially if you find out its faux later.
Haha yeah. And I don't care what your opinion is on animal testing but it is probably the best method of finding cures and treatments for diseases. Going in and stealing those animals that are being used in the experiments, which could also endanger other people, really makes me question their common sense.
it makes me question their sanity.
Nah, PETA only gets on my nerves because they impose their opinions on an almost PSYCHOTIC level. Harming people won't get them to change their minds. In fact, it'll only get them angrier.
That may be why PETA is so unpopular. :P
And maybe the fact that they're a terrorist organization.
you betcha, right up there with the Taliban and Al-Qaeda
Was that sarcsam? I can'ty tell.... :P
I mean, they DO terrorize, but they're not THAT bad...they dont blow up buildings in the streets of my city, like the Taliban or Al-Qaeda. >:(
Some might consider them as bad as terrorists but they are really not. They are radicals but at most I would classify them as psudo-terrorists. But just like terrorists, they are pathetic. And remember not all members of PETA are as stupid as the radicals in the group, look at Pamela Anderson, I have never heard of her doing anything radical, although I wouldn't mind her doing something radical to me hehe ;D
:oProfessor! Aren't you supposed to influence the young children?
just kidding, nice one. I really don't think Pamela is that hot, just because she has a large set of...wellll...tofu. Not to mention she is as dumb as it gets...
Hehe yeah but so what she is still hot. Besides not like kids are knowing this stuff younger and younger anyways (btw I know why children are "developing" faster then before but won't mention it hehe). But tell me if she was laying on your bed you wouldn't get any ideas? I know you will, but still PETA is wrong and needs to rethink its agenda.
Quote from: MasterKey on February 02, 2007, 08:52:20 PM
I mean, they DO terrorize, but they're not THAT bad...they dont blow up buildings in the streets of my city, like the Taliban or Al-Qaeda. >:(
Au contraire. They do indeed burn and blow up buildings, make threats on the lives of farmers and scientists, and host seminars to instruct others on how to make explosives.
Info (http://www.consumerfreedom.com/pressRelease_detail.cfm/release/147)
Info (http://www.animalscam.com/references/peta_fbi1.cfm)
Info (http://www.activistcash.com/organization_blackeye.cfm/oid/21)
Info (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_14_18/ai_84971436)
Most of those are from Center for Consumer Freedom, which has a few quirks of its own, but they do give facts about PeTA. Sorry I haven't gathered much here for you...there's a lot about it available all over the web, so much that it's sort of hard to sift through!
Also sorry I'm steering this more off-topic!
Okay, so back on topic. No, if you eat seafood and fish I don't think you're technically considered a vegetarian. I'm the same way-- eating my fishes and sea-bugs. :3 Vegetarian allows as much as dairy and eggs. There's probably some different interpretation to that, though!
I guess most here are pretty much meat-eaters.
Actaully, some vegetarians don't ebven eat eggs or drink milk. Some will go as far as to not eat anything from an animal, at ALL. But, like ewverything else in this topic, it's a matter of perspective.
Quote from: MasterKey on February 03, 2007, 06:21:53 PM
Actaully, some vegetarians don't ebven eat eggs or drink milk. Some will go as far as to not eat anything from an animal, at ALL. But, like ewverything else in this topic, it's a matter of perspective.
Yeah those are mostly vegans who won't eat any animal product at all. And then you even got those vegans who will only eat things raw.
RAW? No offense, guys, but that's a little weird and over the top..that's not even healthy!
"I'm a level 5 vegan. I won't eat anything that casts a shadow."
Oh! Like these guys: http://gliving.tv/greenchefs/
What makes me laugh is that the ingredients for that "raw" food are so expensive, and in any nourishing quantity many of them would also make you pretty sick. I mean, there's a carrot cake recipe in there that while it sounds really good, I shudder at the thought of putting that much ground/pureed nuts and dried fruit in my body. Dear god, I'd be at the toilet for the rest of the week.
It's an unrealistic idea, this whole elimination of meats and other animal products. It can never be attained.
everything is tied to animals in a way. You name on food and I can name how it relates to animals.
You can't really get out of harming animals, either, even if you're a vegetarian or a vegan. Like grains and other crops? Whenever they're harvested, TONS of animals get crushed/maimed/ground up in the combines.
So yeah, you're right. Everything really does tie to animals.
Exactly, and thats is why being a vegan or a vegtarian is a very tough and often undesirble path to follow.
In cereal, there's a certain amount of rat droppings you can exceed-- which means there's probably sterile rat feces in your cereal. ... Not to gross anyone out, but that deals with animals, it's an animal bi-product. Does this mean they wouldn't eat cereal because it's against their ordeals? (...this wasn't really meant as an insult, more of a question. x;)
I don't have anything against vegans or vegetarians unless they force their beliefs on me. Or... if they're one of those crazy PETA extremists...
I think there was an ad once that said "YOUR FATHER MURDERS FISH" and they said it was unusually cruel to catch fish. But... well, fish have very blunt nerve endings. So... I don't see what's so bad.
When I used to go fishing, we would knock the fish unconscience for a while after reeling it in, so it was unconscience when we took it home, and didn't feel a thing before we cooked it. So... it was a painless death. Unless they think death in general is cruel, but... gyaaah.
Hey, it's better for it to be killed that way than it is killed naturally, torn up by bears and hawks...
Yeah, I'm sure it prefers it that way... but then again, fish don't feel much, and that was my point, so it's probably feeling dull aches whilst being mauled by a bear. c:
I know this is off topic, but fishalicious, your avy isnt showing.