O.K. I just want to know what people think of this timeline. It goes:
TMC, FS, LttP, LA, LoZ, AoL, FSA, OoA, OoS, Oot, split happens, MM, TP, then in the other timeline, TWW, PH.
I think TMC 1st, because it has no sign of the Master Sword, and the Minish and the Wind Tribe appear ofr the 1st time. New Link. Then theres 4 Swords, and I can't really play the game because me and a friend tried it out, and he didn't like it. New Link. Then AoLs backstory, and then LttP because It seems like a 1st appearance for Ganon. Then Link goes to Koholint, and then comes back to Hyrule and finds Ganon broke free, then LoZ happens, with AoL after that. New Link. Ganon uses the Trident of Power to come back, and FSA happens. New Link. The Oracle games happen, and I chose OoA 1st, but it could have happened 2nd. i don't really care about that. But it seemed like Ganons mind was destroyed at the end, because twinrova did the summoming wrong. So that would end that Ganons life for good, and after a long time, another ganon is born, and OoT and MM happen. When Ganon is beaten, he still has the Triforce of Power, and Zelda sends Link back, and in Young Link timeline, TP happens, and in adult timeline, TWW and PH happen. When the split happened, the Young Link Ganon was in a different spot than Adult, but he still got the Triforce of Power.
I don't really understand why you put ALttP before OoT. Isn't it obvious that ALttP's backstory is OoT?
ZeldaPower just had its massive meltdown, but in one of the recently translated articles post on there concerning Ocarina of Time, a designer stated that Ocarina of Time was indeed the war mentioned in A Link to the Past. I'd find and quote it, but... meltdown! As soon as it's back up I'll edit this to include the quote.
Yeah, but doesn't the backstory of LttP say an ARMY was attacking the sages while they worked on the seal? In Ocarina, it's just Link fighting Ganon, and he already took over Hyrule, and the sages were in the Temple of Light. And if it's the same ganon, how did he get the whole Trifocrce when he clearly had Power, but not the other 2? If you can find a really good way to explain how the whole army thing got in the legend, and explain how Ganon got the whole Triforce without leaving, I really want to hear it.
The fact that ALttP takes place quite a while after OoT, and the story has changed somewhat?
Of course, that assumes the sequence is based on the legend at the time and not on the true events. I suppose you could go either way, but I'm going with the former just 'cause it makes things a whole lot easier. And the fact that Nintendo itself seems to think so is a bonus.
QuoteYeah, but doesn't the backstory of LttP say an ARMY was attacking the sages while they worked on the seal? In Ocarina, it's just Link fighting Ganon, and he already took over Hyrule, and the sages were in the Temple of Light. And if it's the same ganon, how did he get the whole Trifocrce when he clearly had Power, but not the other 2? If you can find a really good way to explain how the whole army thing got in the legend, and explain how Ganon got the whole Triforce without leaving, I really want to hear it.
1. The JAPANESE version says that Ganon's malice attacked Hyrule Castle. It doesn't mention an army.
2. In the Japanese version it's also stated that the Sages sealed off 'the source of evil', not Ganon himself. In the future part of OoT the gate to the Dark World has been sealed.
3. A Maiden in the GBA version says that when Ganon entered the Dark World he was trapped and could not find a way out. In OoT Link is returned to possibly the last time he pulled up the sword (or at least after he opened the Door of Time), so Ganon is most likely in the Golden Land when the Door of Time is closed.
Of course, the problem now is TP. It
could be put after ALttP. Just because there's no ruins of a temple surrounding the Master Sword in the game doesn't mean there isn't any. Remember that the Temple of Time hadn't been thought of yet.
Personally, however, I view TP as the connection between OoT and ALttP. I believe OoT was originally supposed to tell the story of the Seal War, which is why there's such big similarities, but the guys at Nintendo have changed their minds about that.
I believe the 'execution' scene in TP is the aftermath of the Seal War, and has no connection to OoT. I'm putting FSA between OoT and TP, so I think the Seal War happens sometime after Ganon breaks the seal of the Four Sword.
I can't read japanese, so I can't confirm any of that. And I'm talking about the American version.
Evilslayer and FairyPenguin, you're both terribly wrong. It has clearly been stated that the war mentioned in LTTP is the one in OOT. And also, they never thought of making OOT when they made LTTP, and they wanted to make the game very interesting. Also, try not to put the Miyamoto said TWW is first into this, Evilslayer. There are too many references to OOT and MM for it to be before them.
Also, legends change overtime in the real world, and I'm sure that it's the same in that world where Hyrule is.
The American version doesn't count, FairyPenguin. The Japanese is the original, and the American versions ALWAYS have to change details for various reasons. For example, Agahnim was really a priest, but it was changed to wizard.
It said when he netered he couldn't leave. With the power of a Triforce, one could leave without trying. Even without the Triforce, Link could leave the Dark World with that mirror thing. I'm sure the Triforce has more power than a beauty device.
He could have gotten hold of the other two like this:
If you follow LLTP before TWW theory:
When Link left for Termina, the Triforce went to the only other place it could go to: The Sacred Realm/Dark World. When Zelda was sealed into the realm, the Triforce could have also been drained out of her.
LTTP after TWW:
When the Triforce was copmleted and Daphnes Nohaonsan Hyrule wished upon it, the Triforce was sealed into the Dark World. (yes, it would still be the D.W.) When Ganon's body turned to stone, his soul remained, and went back to his Dark World, where it waited for him. I have no idea how he could hold onto it, but mabye the Triforce couldn't handle being seperate any longer and just accepted him whole.
Also:
1)Miyamoto has stated that LTTP is after LOZ and AOL. And that OOT is before LTTP. LA was left flying around somewhere, though, but it's probably LTTP time.
2)LOZ/AOL Link has never been to Hyrule before.
3)If Ganon died in the Oracles, how did he reapear in TP and TWW? And yes, it is the same Ganon, I doubt that Nintendo would make multiple ones.
4)FSA was made to resemble the LTTP map.
5)Ganon didn't use the Trident to come back. He was already back and betrayed the Gerudo's by taking the Trident.
6)No, Evilslayer, it has never been said that they changed their minds. In fact,they have said that OOT is the war mentioned in LTTP.
After TWW? And the Triforce was also below the waves, with Ganon having the Master Sword in his head, and his body turned to stone. So how could the Master Sword get above the waves? And if at the end of PH, that a new Hyrule is found, how would they know to call places in the Old Hyrule the same thing? Like Kariko being called Kariko? Or other places being called the same place? And I do know FSA map is mostly the same as LttP. Only difference is the lake being higher up and having a coast. And Miyamotos theory has never been backed up. I forget where I saw this, but I saw an updated version of that theory, stating that LA is after LttP. ANd the Oracle death, I think it said that his mind was destroyed, with only his evil and will to fight left. i think it was something like that. I beat them in '03, I think. I also don't think that Link lost his Triforce when he went to Termina, or I think it would have shown him losing it. It doesn't say in that game that he lost it, either. And what realm are you talking about with Zelda?
Quote from: Fairy penguin on March 06, 2007, 01:16:51 PM
After TWW? And the Triforce was also below the waves, with Ganon having the Master Sword in his head, and his body turned to stone.
No it wasn't. What are you talking about? It just kind of flew off. Nobody
really knows what happened to it.
QuoteSo how could the Master Sword get above the waves?
Maybe it's not the same Master Sword? It's not like you can't name a sword whatever you want.
QuoteAnd if at the end of PH, that a new Hyrule is found, how would they know to call places in the Old Hyrule the same thing? Like Kariko being called Kariko? Or other places being called the same place?
I think that the King of Red Lions (once he was found out to be King) told Link grand stories of the ancient Hyrule. I don't think he just kept quiet the whole time they were sailing about. I also think TWW takes place over about a month (if not longer); ample time for him to regale Link with stories of the forgotten land.
QuoteI also don't think that Link lost his Triforce when he went to Termina, or I think it would have shown him losing it. It doesn't say in that game that he lost it, either.
I don't think he did either, but that's a silly reason not to. Lots of things aren't told in the games.
The Triforce was not mentioned in MM, save for a mistake a design maker made putting it in a dungeon. We don't know at all what happened, and TWW gives what could be the explanation. Scratch that, IS the explanation. It is the only game that does not mention the Trifrce, a Triforce fragment, of a Triforce like thing. (the Power up things in LA)
Also, they might make a new sword. And the Zoras, who CAN live in salt water, might have discovered it and brought it up.
I also announce I will no longer make a timeline, seeing as Zelda games always change details. I will only say the following:
TWW/PH is not the last game.
MC is after the flood. I doubt the Oracles would look exactly the same and have the same name each time.
OOT is before TWW.
LTTP and FSA are the same Link.
TP is in between OOT and TWW.
MM Link is OOT Link.
Agahnim is Ganon, or rather a second Ganon, his split personality.
I have proof that OOT isn't the Imprisoning War! Or, rather, theres a lack of proof for it. When does it say there was a war in it? Ganon just took over. He had no army in his castle, just a dozen or 2 monsters. Thats not enough to win a war. And did the japanese manual say LttP Link was the last of the knights? If so, that would mean that they mostly would have had to be killed. Like the Seal War. And when the hell did the boat tell Link stuff? He told Link what he NEEDED to know. Also, even if that did happen, why would Link and Zelda decide to call all the places the same? Also, HOW would another Master Sword be above the waves?
Quote from: Fairy penguin on March 10, 2007, 09:42:50 PM
I have proof that OOT isn't the Imprisoning War! Or, rather, theres a lack of proof for it. When does it say there was a war in it? Ganon just took over. He had no army in his castle, just a dozen or 2 monsters. Thats not enough to win a war.
Why the heck would he keep his army in his castle? This point makes no sense to me.
QuoteAnd did the japanese manual say LttP Link was the last of the knights? If so, that would mean that they mostly would have had to be killed. Like the Seal War.
I don't see where you're going with this.
QuoteAnd when the hell did the boat tell Link stuff? He told Link what he NEEDED to know.
Yeah, thanks for totally not even reading my point.
QuoteAlso, even if that did happen, why would Link and Zelda decide to call all the places the same?
Because it was going to be the new Hyrule. Obviously it'd be some kind of tribute to it, or something.
QuoteAlso, HOW would another Master Sword be above the waves?
Uh, they made a new one? :-*
Did you not know that the level three sword in the Oracles is called the Master Sword? It is clearly not the REAL Master Sword, in Ages King Zora just made your blade even sharper. In Seasons same thing but by a very old man.
And who said that you can't make a new sword and give it the same name? Nobody except you.
Honestly, you're only thinking up very pointless questions because you know you've lost.
It's been stated by Nintendo and game designers that the war mentioned in LTTP is OOT.
Of course there was a war. How could you not know that?
The only way you can put MC first is because there is no evidence AGAINST it, but there is no evidence suggesting it either.
It was stated thousands of times in LTTP Link is the last of the knights. Or rather the desencdant of.
The Triforce wasn't below the waves, the wisher gets a share of it and the other shares are sent to other people; the Triforce rests entirely in that person; or it went to the Sacred Realm/Dark World. Wow, that was VERY hard to notice. ::)
When Ganon was sealed into the Twili Realm, it was not, and never would be, the Dark World. The Twili Realm is completely different, the Dark World the Sacred Realm. In fact, in TP, it was stated that it was the Sacred Realm that the Goddesses created first, then the Twili Realm. In LTTP, it was stated that the one who wishes upon the Triforce in the Sacred Realm will transform the Realm along with it. It seems Adult Link's, and therefore TWW's, world fits more with the Seal War description.
You get a warning for cussing. Hell is only forgived in religious topics. You used it insultingly.
Yes, the Oracle Master Sword isn't the same. It's probably calles that because it's thew stronger version of the Noble Sword. TMC 1st is a tie, with no evidence either way, except it does seem to come before the FS games. Nintendo has NEVER backed anything it says up. And I believe the Sacred Realm was changed twice. The 1st time, when Ganon got in, and the sages sealed him in before he could get out, and OoTs. Who would the other sages be? I know Medli and the block of wood, but Medli doesn' seem strong enough to lift a hammer for the forge, and the block of wood is obvious. And the LttP manual says that people were trying to get in the Sacred Realm and fighting the knights while the sages cast the spell. You can't say knights were protecting the sages in the final battle in OoT. There were no knights when the spell was cast! And people were living under Ganons rule, not trying to get in! And you said you didn't care about the timeline no more, Akitsura. Sorry if I spelled it wrong. And what will you do if I swear?
Yeah, thanks for answering
my points. 8)
Quote from: Fairy penguin on March 12, 2007, 04:11:53 PM
Yes, the Oracle Master Sword isn't the same. It's probably calles that because it's thew stronger version of the Noble Sword.
You don't think it's odd that it has the exact same name as the legendary Blade of Evil's Bane?
QuoteNintendo has NEVER backed anything it says up.
No arguing with you there. But I don't see what it has to do with anything.
QuoteAnd I believe the Sacred Realm was changed twice. The 1st time, when Ganon got in, and the sages sealed him in before he could get out, and OoTs. Who would the other sages be? I know Medli and the block of wood, but Medli doesn' seem strong enough to lift a hammer for the forge, and the block of wood is obvious.
What the fark are you talking about here? Elaborate.
QuoteAnd the LttP manual says that people were trying to get in the Sacred Realm and fighting the knights while the sages cast the spell. You can't say knights were protecting the sages in the final battle in OoT. There were no knights when the spell was cast! And people were living under Ganons rule, not trying to get in!
I'm always amused that people think ALttP's backstory must be
exactly identical to OoT's plot. You're aware thousands of years must have passed, yes?
And,
Fairy penguin, you know what a paragraph is, right? Try using some next time. Your posts hurt my eyes.
I mean, the story says a bunch of sages made the LttP Master Sword. Medli can't because it would take great magical power to make it. As I remember it she and the block of wood just prayed. They don't have magical powers. Maybe the block of wood for flying across the ocean, but nothing more.
I don't believe that it was thousands of years difference, but I'll try with thousands. Yes, the story could be changed, and it probably would. However, things like a great battle protecting the sages couldn't be changed. And I don't think people knew of the sages involvement.
I think people called it the Master Sword because it was they're best work, and they can't do better, so they call it that.
And the guy that says I've lost, no I haven't! And I won't give up!
Quote from: Fairy penguin on March 14, 2007, 04:31:40 PM
I mean, the story says a bunch of sages made the LttP Master Sword. Medli can't because it would take great magical power to make it. As I remember it she and the block of wood just prayed. They don't have magical powers. Maybe the block of wood for flying across the ocean, but nothing more.
Why do you assume it has to be any sages we've seen so far? It could easily be that an entirely new sages council was created in New Hyrule and they forged the new Master Sword. The first council had to come from somewhere you know, so I don't see why this would be that hard to believe.
QuoteI don't believe that it was thousands of years difference, but I'll try with thousands. Yes, the story could be changed, and it probably would. However, things like a great battle protecting the sages couldn't be changed. And I don't think people knew of the sages involvement.
I think that after a gigantic flood which wiped out the entire history of Hyrule, it's pretty amazing that they got as close as they did.
And Zelda knew. She could certainly start these stories.
QuoteI think people called it the Master Sword because it was they're best work, and they can't do better, so they call it that.
Okaaaaaaaay. And?
QuoteAnd the guy that says I've lost, no I haven't! And I won't give up!
Whatchoo' talkin' 'bout, Willis?
Can you tell me your timeline so I can understand some of the stuff you say? And I don't think another set of sages were made in Hyrule 2.
And for the Oracle Master Sword thingie, I got that idea from "The Crystal Shard". Good book. In it, theres this dwarf called Bruenor, and he makes this hammer called Aegis-Fang. He uses a bunch of special stuff, and he knows he can NEVER do better. Thats what I think happened wih the other Master Sword. And someone said the Zora king made the sword sharper, which explains why it's not the real Master Sword.
OoT->MM->TP->TWW->PH->TMC->OoA/S->FS->FSA->ALttP->LA->TLoZ->AoL
One glorious single timeline, baby.
TP could never be after ALttP for at the end of it, it says,
"And the Master Sword sleeps,
FOREVER!..."
this would lead us to conclude that this is about the time the four sword was created......
QuoteAkitsura
You do know you could have just looked at any of my posts to know that. Seriously, that was clearly intentional.
IT HAS BEEN SAID BY ZELDA GAME DESIGNERS THAT THERE IS A SPLIT TIMELINE, Commodore Axilon.
The Four Sword was made before LTTP, as shown by how it appeared in the Dark Pyramid in LTTP, (that's clearly there for a reason) and how, because the LTTP map resembles the FSA map, purposely, MC must be before LTTP.
And I never said it wasn't the real Master Sword, I said it was a different Master Sword. This DIFFERENT Master Sword isn't as powerful as the one from OOT/TP/TWW. In my timeline, it was later replaced by a more powerful sword.
LOZ and AOL are BEFORE LTTP.
I doubt entirely that the same idea in that book would apply to the Master Sword.
It's hard to read like, size 4 type. And does the 4 Sword in the Dark Pyramid count, since that was only the rerelease? I've never played it for the same reason I can't play 4 Swords, so I don't know what happens in it. Oh, and the LA manual NEVER says it was LttP Link. It says something like, you beat Ganon, and the people thought something else might come from his ashes. Not the specific time one of the Ganons was killed.
THE GANON, there is no second one!
The LA manual DOES say it, and the fact Agahnim and Ganon were Final Nightmare's tranformations help ALOT.
I do the capitalizaton thing for affect.
Oops, I forgot this in my last post:
QuoteAnd what will you do if I swear?
Give you a warning after numerous uses.
Quote from: Kannochi on March 18, 2007, 11:41:55 AM
IT HAS BEEN SAID BY ZELDA GAME DESIGNERS THAT THERE IS A SPLIT TIMELINE, Commodore Axilon.
Even though you're obviously baiting me here, I'll bite anyway.
IT HAS BEEN SAID BY ZELDA GAME DESIGNERS THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE LINK.
IT HAS BEEN SAID BY ZELDA GAME DESIGNERS THAT TWW TAKES PLACE 100 YEARS AFTER OOT.
IT HAS BEEN SAID BY ZELDA GAME DESIGNERS THAT TP TAKES PLACE 100 YEARS AFTER OOT.
And they've a lot of other crazy stuff too. The fact is they're always changing what they think. They obviously have no
real idea what they're talking about. They just want to make you complacent and unquestioning. They just want to make great games and don't really care how they fit together.
They have a big thingie saying how all the games go together. Also, TWW cannot take place 100 years later. It probably takes place around 800 years later. A brand new culture(s) can't be formed in 100 years. Also, I estimated Ganon came back 200 years later, because the seal couldn't break in 100 years. And TWW proves theres more than 1 Link. I don't care how you twist the game ending and time travelling thingies, he can't have a sister if he was born in another time, like OoT. Also, he wouldn't be as perplexed at seeing Hyrule, or about all the stuff the king told him. And TP seemed like a lot longer than 100 years, more like 250. Wow, it should be harder to prove Nintendo wrong. And WHERE does it say it's the same Link? Lots of Links fought Ganon, and isn't there an enemy like Aghanim in the Oracles as a mini-boss? And you'll give me lots of warnings?!?! ;D You sound like the school snitch.
QuoteThey have a big thingie saying how all the games go together.
Which I have yet to see compelling evidence for.
QuoteIT HAS BEEN SAID BY ZELDA GAME DESIGNERS THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE LINK.
Can you please tell me what site said that?
QuoteA brand new culture(s) can't be formed in 100 years.
Tell that to Alexander the Great, modern scientists from the late 1800s/early1900s, the rulers of Rome from 27 B.C., and the entire Muslim world and you'd be proven wrong immediately. You doubt the abilities of humanity, which is something I have little respect for. (note, this is not insulting you, I'm insulting the idea)
QuoteAnd TWW proves theres more than 1 Link. I don't care how you twist the game ending and time travelling thingies, he can't have a sister if he was born in another time, like OOT. Also, he wouldn't be as perplexed at seeing Hyrule, or about all the stuff the king told him.
That was among the most pointless three sentences ever. It makes no sense. Please explain.
Quoteisn't there an enemy like Aghanim in the Oracles as a mini-boss?
Yes, but this one acts differently: he can't survive in light, but LTTP Agahnim could.
QuoteAnd you'll give me lots of warnings?!?! You sound like the school snitch.
I said, after cussing several times, I'd give you A warning.
QuoteQuoteThey have a big thingie saying how all the games go together.
Which I have yet to see compelling evidence for.
That actually disproves your single timeline theory.
Quote from: Kannochi on March 19, 2007, 12:33:37 PM
Can you please tell me what site said that?
It was their official position a couple years back. I (sadly) cannot find any thing to help me, but I'm sure someone here can back me up. I'll understand if you don't take my word as proof, but there's still the other remarks they've made.
QuoteTell that to Alexander the Great, modern scientists from the late 1800s/early1900s, the rulers of Rome from 27 B.C., and the entire Muslim world and you'd be proven wrong immediately. You doubt the abilities of humanity, which is something I have little respect for. (note, this is not insulting you, I'm insulting the idea)
You're right, besides the fact that forcing a culture on somebody and one coming to be on its own are quite different; but that's not exactly why TWW being 100 years after OoT is impossible. The fact is: nobody can remember the Great Flood. 100 years is not nearly enough time for something like that to disappear completely.
QuoteThat actually disproves your single timeline theory.
Elaborate, you vile fiend.
When you said that, you actually said that you disproved the single timeline theory.
How so?
Konnochi, I said that to prove Nintendo wrong. 8)
The Imprisoning War is a slightly fabricated war...When Ganondorf returned from the Sacred Realm, he SEIGED
Hyrule Castle, thus the fact that it indeed was a war, but when Link seemed to show up out of nowhere and defeat Ganon, this must have left the people of Hyrule confused, so the Sages agreed to tell the legend of the Royal Knight Bloodline, so as to give the citizens something to explan Link's action.
You have to put it in between the two things, Dragmire!
TWW PROVES the Hero of Time was known by the people, but I think that journeying to New Hyrule and many years of dealing with Ganon (again) made the legend get changed. Although I don't think LTTP is descended from OOT Link, he is descended from the Last of the Knights, which is the only Hylian who survived the War Ganon caused when he took the Triforce of Power.
Also, I don't know why people always think that all the Links are related. It's only been proven 2 of the Links were related to other people: LOZ/AOL Link because of the Comics, and LTTP/LA Link, because it has been said so. It was NEVER said that they were related to OOT Link.
QuoteTWW PROVES the Hero of Time was known by the people, [...]
Not that I don't agree with you, but the fact that it's a legend by TWW kinda makes it hard to
prove anything.
Quote[...] LOZ/AOL Link because of the Comics [...]
Again, not that I don't agree with you, but are the comics even canon?
Not exactly sure, I think they are.
QuoteHero of Time
-KOTRL, TWW
QuoteHero of Time
-Rauru, OOT
If that a coincidence? The local legend at the beginning even calls him the Hero of Time. If that isn't proof, what is?
Yeah, I was mainly talking about the legend at the beginning of the game. You know, since we don't actually know from who or when it came about.
And TKoRL isn't exactly a common person. (Hint: He's the King of Hyrule.) :)
Seriously, the Legend sounds so close to OOT that it is impossible to think it isn't true. All legends have some proof behind it. By technicality, this accidentally includes religions of all kinds. (Not to offend anyone here) Even if some points might not be exact, it is TOO close to not refer to OOT.
I think you misunderstand me. I don't disagree with what you're saying, just that using this as "proof" is somewhat foolhardy. And I'm not saying the legend is false either, only that we don't know from who or when it came, so using it as evidence that the common people knew is illogical.
Grandma did talk about the legend and Link puts on Hero Clothes, more proof?
I thought we were talking about before the flood. If not, then you can just disregard everything I've said. ;)
Oh. ;D
QuoteQuoteThey have a big thingie saying how all the games go together.
Which I have yet to see compelling evidence for.
The quote in the quote says that he thinks all the Zelda games are in a single timeline. You repsonce says you disagree with that. Your timeline is single, so that accidentally disproved your timeline.
I believe he (she?) was talking about Nintendo's master timeline. I could be mistaken though...again. ;D
They do have a master timeline.
I'm a GUY! I would have used Penguin dude, but it was already taken. I was refering to the master timeline, and I know somewhere on this site, theres a link with a Miyamoto interview saying theres a master timeline. Also, theres another 1, with him saying part of the timeline is= OoT, MM, TP, for kid timeline. Adult is OoT TWW, PH. And,for the New Hyrule thingie with people remembering the HoT, I don't think thats possible. Only the KoH remembered, so I don't think people would remember the IW. Also, I'm putting the IW before TMC in my timeline.
Quote from: Kannochi on March 20, 2007, 01:24:01 PM
Grandma did talk about the legend and Link puts on Hero Clothes, more proof?
That's five posts above you. Jesus.
I didn't say that they didn't know about them Kannochi, I simply said that the Sages fabricated the Royal Knight Bloodline thing to better explain the Heroes power , or they didn't want all the questions about his origins and his rise to power. It would be kinda hard for him to explain that a Kokiri child defeated a giant arachind, bombed a ancient dinosaur and fought inside the belly of a giant fish, and then sent to the future using three stones, a magical ocarina, and a blessed sword.
I don't think they would have done that. Why would the sages care what people speculate? A lot of people saw adult Link running around and liberating places.
Umm its kind of the only way they could have done it, because no Zelda is played through the eyes of a hero from the Royal Knight Bloodline except ALttP which mentioned it in the first place. It has been speculated that the hero was Gustaf but I do not beleive it...
Why does it matter if no other Zelda is played throught the ayes of someone in the knights bloodline? TWW proves that everyone knew about Link saving everyone. it says Ganon took over, and Linl came from nowhere and killed Ganon. Also, if you read the backstory of LttP, it says people were going after the Triforce. In OoT people don't evevn talk about it. It also states that Ganon already had the whole Triforce. And there was no mention of a hero in the manual, just the knights protecting the sages as they cast a really long seal that. In OoT, Hyrule had already lost a long time ago, and the sages spell took very little time to cast. Thats some pretty big inconsistencies. And with Ganon already in the Sacred Realm, I don't see how the final fight in OoT could be LttP.
WOW
Uhhh have you ever actually played ALttP, or at least seen the intro?
It says one day, the door to the Sacred Realm was opened suddenly. This would be about the time Link is asleep! My God, just put yourself in a citizen of Hyrules shoes, "Wow, this ancient door that hasn't been opened in many years has just been opened! I never even knew about it! What? Theirs a mystical golden triangle in the Golden Land that grants any wish? Man, Im gonna grab it before any one else!" Thus, the quarrellings mentioned in the opening intro of ALttP. Then they became monsters, which Ganondorf used in his invasion. Link awakens, awakens the sages as ordered by the King, then challenges Ganon while knights protected the sages. Also, Ganon was never, ever in the Sacred Realm during the time of OoT. Ganondorf was, but Link was asleep then.
I actually think the 'followers' of Ganon spoken of at the beginning of LTTP are the Gerudo. Ganon killed them, used the Triforce to bring a bunch of people (soldiers and Market Citizens, explaining their disappearance) into the Realm, (which he ruled) Ganon got out, Link woke up, awoke sages, beet Ganon, Sages sealed him into Dark World and sealed entrance, and they all lived happily ever after.
He never lured anyone. That was a mistranslated. In fact, the whole game is a gallery of mistranslations. For one, the future in OoT can't be the "Imprisonning War" because of the Japanese version.
According to the Japanese version "Ganon's malice" attacked Hyrule Castle, and then the Hylian sages sealed away the "source of evil". That fits a lot better with the Split Timeline and TP.
War-
1. a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
2. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations: The two nations were at war with each other.
technically this can and was a war.
Ganon's malice is Ganondorf.
Hylian does not always refer to the race. All the races live in Hyrule so they are all Hylian.
No, Hylia is the Kingdom of the Hylian race before the War that killed OOT Link's parents when he was a baby. Hyruleans is the correct term.
Crappy American version...
All the knights were DEAD! >:( Ganon killed them all ::). The sages didn't need proyecting because they were in the temple of Light, and not in Hyrule.People didn't know about the Triforce because when Ganon touched it, he got Power, Link got Courage, and Zelda got Wisdom. None of the people could have seen it. The spell didn't take a long time like the manual described, it took like, 2 seconds. Ganon didn't kill the Gerudo because they would do whatever he said. Why would he kill of his own army?
Quote from: Fairy penguin on March 29, 2007, 07:18:57 AM
All the knights were DEAD!
What? What makes you think this?
I'm not going to bother with your other points because I believe the story was more of a legend than what
actually happened.
So, the sages sealed the Sacred Realm from within the Sacred Realm? WOW THAT MAKES ALOT OF SENSE!
So, the fight with Ganon AND Ganondorf took two minutes? OH COOL!
So, no one knew about the Triforce even though there was a huge temple built to protect the entrance to it? WOW THAT ALSO MAKES ALOT OF SENSE!
The fight with Ganon took more than two minutes, during the fight, the sages, in Hyrule, were preparing the spell to seal Ganon in the Sacred Realm.
The statement that no one no about the Triforce is simply mentally retarded. The Hylian Royal Family seemed to use it as the simple of their kingdom. Why wouldn't they tell there citizens what it was? The old man in blue in Hyrule Castle Town seemed to know.
ALL citizens apparently knew about the Triforce.
The sages knew how to get out, according to how they're seen on Death Mountain during the end credits.
What makes me think the knights are dead?! Because Ganon killed people to take over. He probably killed everyone who opposed him so he could rule. Why would he let people who opposed him live? O.K. I was wrong about people knowing, but I never heard them saying how obsessed with getting it they were. I remember very few citizens who said they wanted the Triforce for themselves. Also, in LttP, people called it the Golden Power, not the Triforce.
It's had many names.
I wouldn't exactly tell everyone I met I wanted the Triforcebecause then the Hylian Government would rule me out as a threat and kill me.
Seriously, medieval kingdoms (which Hyrule is one of) are very similar to Nazi governments in their forms of getting rid of threats: downright eliminating them. Even a medieval pope has shown this, eliminating a small sect of Christianity getting popular in southern France. Governments throughout history have used this campaign, and even lie about something they displease saying they're a threat to the government and killed them off. (Ottomans killing Armenians before WWI)
He couldn't kill everyone: all of the Market citizens survived the attack according to a Mario game, and it seems the Gorons all lived too. Alot of the Kakariko citizens lived, the Kokiri children all survived. ? about the Gerudo, but the Zoras are a mystery, but based on how they appear in the end credits I assume they survive. In fact, few people at all seemed to die except knights.
I don't think the hylian government would kill a person for sayoing they wanted the Triforce. It would just waste resources on some guy that wants something. Oh, and I was fairy penguin, but then I couldn't log in, so I changed
you know you can change ur name without changing your account right? I used to go by my user name Master Dragmire, the I went to MattAlxdr, and then to just Dragmire. I have had the same account for almost 2 years.
If you mean that you changed your name on your original file and you can't log in on the original file, then use your original name when you log into the original file.
This isn't a different user name, it's a different account! My other one wouldn't login because I forgot to change the password and for some reason, I came back today and it was the other ine, but I decided I like this one better.
Anyway, I forgot to add in that Hyrule, or any other Zelda place doesn't seem like it's a dictatorship, so they wouldn't need to kill people who want the Triforce.
An absolute monarchy is a dictatorship, and that's exactly what Hyrule is. And there's no reason to assume every dictatorship has to be similar to the Third Reich or the Soviet Union; there could (theoretically) be benevolent dictatorships.
Just nitpicking that portion of your post. Move along, move along.
I thought deictorships incuded an evil/psycotic goverenment. :o I don't know how it would be benevolent.
Dictators are, in government,
1) A person (or people) who has absolute power over the government without a blood heir.
2) In the Ancient Roman Republic who was given almost total comtrol over the government during the times of a crsis.
but that doesn't mean that the Hyrulian kings can't ACT like dictators by controlling the government single-handedly, or at least without an opposing power. Also, in MC, they had a minister, (Potho) so this absolute monarchy is broken in at least one game.
Also, dictatorship is when a country's government that is controlled by a dictator.
Yeah, that's pretty much what I meant. Someone with absolute control of the government, even if it's not technically the same.
And what exactly did Potho do?
He is known to have been in charge of the education of Zelda when she was a child and is believed to be in charge of the Sword Ceremony at the beginning of MC, the one with the Four Sword.
O.K. I cosider dictators to be bad and sadistic, ruling with an iron fist. Hyrule has a blood line to pass down the power, proved in nearly every Zelda, since she is a princess.
Quotebut that doesn't mean that the Hyrulian kings can't ACT like dictators by controlling the government single-handedly, or at least without an opposing power. Also, in MC, they had a minister, (Potho) so this absolute monarchy is broken in at least one game.
Do they even have a
government? And Potho seems more like an advisor than someone who actually shares on the power.
That's exactly what I would say, Evilslayer. He only does minor things. This is just like what Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain did: they gave people useless positions to make them feel they are doing something for their country.
I actually think Hyrule resembles the Holy Roman Empire. It's just many different countries (though no longer looked upon as countries but rather as states) being dominated by the most powerful of them. (Hylia and the Gerudo Monarchy; dominant one switches from time to time)
Hylia is like Austria due to how it is the official dominant state and also is a very sophisticated society. The Gerudo Monarchy is like Prussia being militarily probably the most powerful state and also having one ruler who is generally in charge of the government's most important parts.
What you consider a dictator is what most people consider one, but the OFFICIAL definition says one who dominates the government/nation single-handedly. And the bloodline only helps to prove absolute monarchy, which is the same thing except with absolutely no other government power and moves from one heir to the next.