http://www.thehylia.com/index.php?subaction=showfull&id=1173298152&archive=&start_from=&ucat=19&
So, TWW takes place in the Adult OOT world, while TP in the Child OOT world. That changes everything, doesn't it?
I don't trust Nintendo anymore. There may be a timeline, but Nintendo doesn't have one. And Zelda gets a lot more attention disscussing an official timeline. :-*
If I may quote myself:
Quote from: Commodore Axilon on March 07, 2007, 01:00:28 PM
He also apparently thinks TP/TWW takes place around a hundred years after OoT. So sorry if I don't take what he says seriously.
And I also agree with
Bboy94 in that there is no master timeline. The games just don't make any sense together. You have to really warp and twist the games to get any kind of plausible timeline.
So either there isn't a master timeline, or Nintendo are a bunch of idiots.
or we are just too stupid to figure out the real one...
Okay, so we know which games are tied together, it is like this:
LOZ/AOL
LTTP/LA (Yes, according to the manual, it's LTTP Link)
OOT/MM
OOS/OOA
TWW/PH
It is most likely FSA Link is LTTP Link, while possible MC is Oracle Link. TP takes place in another dimension, so does TWW. LTTP is after the original two. It is not known whether or not LTTP is in TWW's dimension or not.
Also, it has been stated there is an official timeline, and they take every little detail into matter when creating a new game.
Some of the people with more weight in the Zelda team have referred to a master timeline, supposedly under lock and key somewhere.
Not every little detail; otherwise we wouldn't have traces of distinctly Hyrule things in Majora's Mask. The best way I've heard it described is that the games are made "gameplay first, storyline second". I think it explains quite a lot.
This is definitely going to shake up some timelines!
QuoteAnd I also agree with Bboy94 in that there is no master timeline. The games just don't make any sense together. You have to really warp and twist the games to get any kind of plausible timeline.
No, because most of the real errors are mistranslations. If you really go into it you can make them connect in more ways than one.
QuoteSuperplay: How do the Zelda games timelines link together? Is there any connection between the different games, or do you take tell us a new Zelda story each time?
Shigeru Miyamoto: For every Zelda game we tell a new story, but we actually have an enormous document that explains how the game relates to the others, and bind them together. But to be honest, they are not that important to us. We care more about developing the game system... give the player new challenges for every chapter that is born.
http://www.miyamotoshrine.com/theman/interviews/230403.shtml (http://www.miyamotoshrine.com/theman/interviews/230403.shtml)
The Master Timeline exists. There's no sense in denying it.
Quote from: Evilslayer on March 09, 2007, 11:12:08 AM
No, because most of the real errors are mistranslations. If you really go into it you can make them connect in more ways than one.
Even if that were true. Not all of the inconsistencies are to be blamed on translation errors, are they? This seems like a very convenient excuse. Find something you don't like, "
ZOMG translation errorz!!!!11!!1!oneone!!1"
QuoteThe Master Timeline exists. There's no sense in denying it.
Because the games themselves are secondary
am i rite.
The Oracles are Ganon's death, body-wise, that is. Ganon would have to be first, though. I doubt they would have Ganon reborn EVERY game. FSA states Ganon is an ancient monster reborn, so there's proof it isn't before OOT. FSA map also resembles LTTP map nearly almost perfectly. LA Link has been stated in the manual to be LTTP Link. LTTP is after the original two. I doubt every Oracle would look the same, so the Oracles are with MC. The Light Force has been stated to be seperate from the Triforce, but whether or not this meens that it is the missing piece for the upside-down hole is unknown. (probably not, though) This is an approximate timeline:
OOT -
Child/MM - TP
Adult - TWW/PH - MC - Oracles - Original Two - FS/FSA - LTTP/LA
I think the FS Hyrule is the New Hyrule founded after TWW. If so, then all games besides those stated to be with Child Link's world fit here. I now is clear the time/universe MC or LTTP proven to be in will put all games besides those proven to be from the other universe/time will fit there too.
It seems more possible that the Minish are from a new world rather than appearing out of nowhere. Also, I think that the war LTTP references to is the one in late OOT, because Ganon was sealed into the Sacred Realm. The SR had little or no references at all in TP. It has been stated and proven that both the Twilight Realm is not the Sacred Realm AND that the Dark World is the Sacred Realm. It seems Ganon died in TP. Ganon's body was stone in TWW, his spirit lived.
MC, because the Minish wouldn't suddenly appear after another game, which proves that MC is after TWW if you believe it isn't before OOT. Vaati sealed in Four Sword.
Oracles; Twinrova RESURRECTED Ganon, not released him. Without Zelda, his spirit was still flying around, though. His body dies. The Master Sword you can get in the password system is the one in LTTP. It wasn't made like the original sword, so it didn't have as much power. He brings it back with him to Hyrule. It is placed in a forest, but is almost forgotten over time. The old man in LOZ finds it eventually.
Then the whole thing with the wizard mentioned in AOL. I feel the wizard was part of Ganon's soul reborn into his alter ego: Agahnim. Yes, he's an alter ego, or split personality to be simple. Possessing the boy, he killed Zelda. The Courage piece disappeared, but Power came to him. Ganon repossessed his alter ego, and didn't use him for a while, but used the body as a reborn spirit. The alter ego melted into Ganon's mind, and became trapped in him, but not collided with him.
LOZ, AOL. He dies. The sword the waterfall elder guy gives you is the sword, but still without much power. When Link finds a new one, he discarded it and this new one became the new Master Sword. It becomes treasured. The Triforce is once again reconnected for the first time since the prince guy's farther dies. It is placed in the Sacred Realm.
Reborn in FSA, a little after FS. Sealed in Four Sword.
Released Agahnim into real world eventually after a long time because he forgot about him. He caused some trouble, and secretly moved the Four Sword into the Sacred Realm. I doubt they would add that there in the GBA version just for entertainment. Ganon got free besause the seal keeping him in the sword was on the sword's mantle thing they stuck it in, not the sword itself. Then LTTP happens. Alter Ego, which turns out to be housing Ganon until he is ready to be a real body again, dies. Ganon, who wanted to go human again, turns back to pig. Big fight. Ganon dies. Then LA. THE END.
Possible, is it?
QuoteBecause the games themselves are secondary am i rite.
Did you even bother clicking on the link?<_<
Yes, and their timeline seems to change every time a new game is released. Curious, no?
Edit: And here's my answer:
QuoteShigeru Miyamoto: For every Zelda game we tell a new story, but we actually have an enormous document that explains how the game relates to the others, and bind them together. But to be honest, they are not that important to us. We care more about developing the game system... give the player new challenges for every chapter that is born.
If there
is a master timeline, they apparently don't even care about following it.
I care alot about making the timeline, your assumption was completely wrong. The better thing to say would have been:
We care more about enjoying the games and their challenges, but several people also care about the timeline.
Why the **** (pardon me) keep people using the oracles as an argument to put TMC and OOx together? Malon appeared in I don't care how many games, and every time is someone else. Link appeared in every games, always looks the same and always is someone different. Same for Zelda. Then there's Tingle who also gets recycled multiple times. The HMS, Mutoh, King Zora, Anju, etc.
So why, in Din's name, would the oracles follow a different pattern?
Ooh, didn't think of that. The Oracles look EXACTLY the same. The only other games that follow the exception are FS and FSA, and then later TMC. This is due to the graphics in the game they look similar. Plus, I doubt EVERY Oracle would look exactly the same. (every feature was there) Also, MC seems like a very good place to put it. Also, in the pamphlet that comes with MC, the picture of Zelda has the Triforce on her dress, PROOF that the Triforce existed in Hyrule. If they aren't together, than the only thing my timeline would change by is that MC would be befroe the Oracles, NOT togehter with them.
The Oracles have the same names because they are named after the Goddesses.
I think we realized that already. ::)
What else could they have been named for?
Quote from: Kannochi on March 19, 2007, 12:11:48 PM
Ooh, didn't think of that. The Oracles look EXACTLY the same. The only other games that follow the exception are FS and FSA, and then later TMC. This is due to the graphics in the game they look similar. Plus, I doubt EVERY Oracle would look exactly the same. (every feature was there) Also, MC seems like a very good place to put it. Also, in the pamphlet that comes with MC, the picture of Zelda has the Triforce on her dress, PROOF that the Triforce existed in Hyrule. If they aren't together, than the only thing my timeline would change by is that MC would be befroe the Oracles, NOT togehter with them.
I have to say, I don't get what you are saying. I'm sure it's me, so sorry for that. Are you saying the similarities in appearance between the OOx oracles and TMC oracles is mere standard recycling, or that it stays an argument for placing OOx and TMC together? About the Triforce: I can give a lot more examples of the Triforce being in TMC. Hyrulse Castle had Triforce-depictions all over the place. But what does it mean according to you?
Okay, what I'm saying is:
1) The Triforce exists in MC, but where in Hyrule I don't know.
Added = The Light Force is something different. I actually know think that this Light Force is really the another Triforce, like how Courage wasn't in LOZ. Mabye even the one in the middle that's upside-down. In fact, the Minish gave the Hero of Men (Not that Ghost King Guy) the Light Force, so the Minish owned it.
It's actually kinda proof MC's after OOT. The Minish owned a fourth Triforce (Triforce of ?, unknown, possibly Light) that SURELY would have been spoken of in the OOT creation legend so the legend would be:
QuoteAs the Goddesses left the land they created, they made several magical items with great power. These were called Triforces, and looked like Golden Triangles. The three that had the same power type as the goddesses joined together and formed The True Force, made of the Triforce of Courage, the Triforce of Wisdom, and the Triforce of Power. The True Force rested in the spot where the Golden Goddesses left the world, which became the Sacred Realm. The other Triforces were scattered across the world they created.
2) I've changed my mind about the Oracles and MC.
Wait, so you guys are saying that even though Aunoma is one of the key designers of the Zelda storylines, what ever he says doen't count?
Hello, he designs the games, whatever he says gos.
Will you non splittist ever admit you might be wrong?
Dude, this was eight months ago. Other than me, nobody there even really posts here anymore.
And I really don't care about timeline debates anymore, so I'm not even going to argue with you. I still believe in the single timeline, but that's really more personal preference than anything else.
Oh, and by the way, nobody can be wrong when it comes to the fictional chronology of a fictional universe.
Well, I could mess up the chronology of the Harry Potter universe. Or does that statement only count when it applies to the Zelda-verse and other games where there isn't a clear timeline between games?
No. The neat thing about fictional universes is that they don't actually exist, so who's to say you're wrong about anything?
I wasn't really trying to make a point there, just critiquing his choice of words.
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Some got post deletion happy. >>
Anywho....
Ah. Still, I feel an urge to rewrite the Harry Potter timeline and mail it to J.K. Rowling.
I bet after they make the final game, all the games will connect... bwuahhahhahahaha..
Nah, as a slap to the face, they're going to make it as ambiguous as possible and leave several loose ends that are open to several interpretations. Nintendo is cool like that.
My timeline:
MC
|
OoT
/ \
MM TWW
| |
LttP PH
| |
LA OoA
|
LoZ
|
AoL
|
TP
|
OoS
Why are OoA and OoS in two different branches? Their stories could be linked together.
Quote from: $$!#Mark#!D@ on March 09, 2008, 08:37:57 AM
My timeline:
MC
|
OoT
/ \
MM TWW
| |
LttP PH
| |
LA OoA
|
LoZ
|
AoL
|
TP
|
OoS
That is one
kerazy timeline. I'd love to see the reasoning behind it since it doesn't really seem to make sense just looking at it. I mean, TP after ALttP, LA, TLoZ,
and AoL?
Why do everything has to make sense? ITs darnstupid but still... :-*
Well, what's the point of making a timeline if you don't even think it makes sense? Kind of defeats the purpose, don't you think?
Quote from: Commodore Zoolander on March 11, 2008, 10:52:00 AM
Kind of defeats the purpose, don't you think?
Yes :D LOL
I can only say one thing: My timeline is damn stupid. :-* :D