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Zelda Games => Minish Cap => Topic started by: Gleokk on March 13, 2007, 07:59:53 AM

Title: Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Gleokk on March 13, 2007, 07:59:53 AM
Just who has or is the minish cap? Is it the cap that Vaati stole or is it Ezlo? On the back of the box it says that link "finds" a hat that allwos him to "shrink". Based off of this one would think that Ezlo is the minish cap, is this true?
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Hi no Seijin on March 13, 2007, 09:44:43 AM
Yes, Ezlo is the Minish Cap.  I can't remember what the cap Vaati stole was called.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: MagmarFire on March 13, 2007, 04:53:02 PM
What? I thought the hat that Vaati stole was the Minish Cap. :-X
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on March 13, 2007, 07:11:47 PM
It is quite confusing, huh? I just called the hat Vaati stole "the wish-granting cap"
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: MagmarFire on March 14, 2007, 06:14:59 AM
Yeah, tell me about it. :P

It would be nice if there were a canon clarification on what hat is called what. :P
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on March 14, 2007, 02:35:08 PM
Yeah, especially since Ezlo is a hat and he's a Minish, and the hat that Vaati stole was made by a Minish (Ezlo) So both of them could be called the Minish Cap. I even asked Ezlo, but last time I check, Jack hadn't answered any of the Ask Ezlo questions.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Mysterious F. on March 16, 2007, 02:11:05 PM
The Minish Cap was the name of Vaati's cap, actually.
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Post by: DW on March 16, 2007, 05:26:05 PM
yes, they say it a few times in the game.
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Post by: Mysterious F. on March 16, 2007, 06:07:44 PM
Hard to remember, but yes, they did say so, such as Ezlo's small speach to Zelda when she put Vaati's Cap on to wish everything back to normal.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on March 17, 2007, 05:55:52 AM
Hmm, good point.  :-\ But did he REALLY call it that?
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Mysterious F. on March 17, 2007, 08:32:00 AM
Yeah, Ezlo, the maker, did.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on March 20, 2007, 05:13:56 PM
Just wondering, where in the game did he say that? I've nearly beat the game and I don't remember him saying that. Was it at the end?
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Master Dragmire on March 20, 2007, 06:49:05 PM
I just started playing through MC again, and yes, the Minish Cap is the cap that Vaati stole. Ezlo is just Ezlo...
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on March 23, 2007, 01:33:09 PM
On the START screen, it says, "The Lgend of Zelda: The Minish Cap" and Ezlo is sitting on top of the 'C' in "cap" I believe, I know this doesn't prove much, but wouldn't it be that Ezlo is the Minish Cap if his picture is on the logo?
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Master Dragmire on March 23, 2007, 02:23:05 PM
OMG, just stop arguing! You never actually use the MInish Cap. Just pay attention...Plus, Ezlo is transformed into a cap, so that might also clear things up.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Horsehead on March 24, 2007, 09:52:56 AM
At zelda.com they have a little promo of the Minish Cap in the right corner and it states: "using the power of a "special hat" , Link is able to shrink and explore the world of the Minish. Since Link never touches the hat Vaati has when he shrinks throughout the entire game, then just what is the Minish Cap. I say it's Ezlo though.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Fairy penguin on March 24, 2007, 08:25:02 PM
O.K. Vaati, the Minish Cap is worn by Vaati. he stole it from Ezlo. Ezlois the talking hat that you where. SPOILER At the end, Zelda pus on the Minish Cap, and she wishes all the damamge undone. Then it unravels. it says this after yo beat the 2nd boss and are going to hyrule castle.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Horsehead on March 26, 2007, 08:00:04 AM
So why did they make that statement on the box. I mean the King of Hyrule was called the King of Red Lions, but he's still a boat. I say that Ezlo was destined to become a hat, and serve a young new hero, ala, Link.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Mysterious F. on March 27, 2007, 08:48:33 AM
QuoteOn the START screen, it says, "The Lgend of Zelda: The Minish Cap" and Ezlo is sitting on top of the 'C' in "cap" I believe, I know this doesn't prove much, but wouldn't it be that Ezlo is the Minish Cap if his picture is on the logo?

Then the sword going through the Z in the LTTP title is the Link to the Past, the one in OOT the Ocarina of Time, and King of the Red Lions picture on TWW title is The Wind Waker.

The King of the Red Lions is the King of Hyrule, so it's backwards: the boat is him. That zelda.com stuff isn't proof, Horsehead, but rather just reading the box.

Also, I've just realized that there wasn't a quote at the end saying it was the Minish Cap. If someone can, please go back through the game to when you leave Hyrule Castle after getting the Four Sword upgraded so you can split in two. I think that the quote is there.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Horsehead on March 28, 2007, 09:42:08 AM
I found the quote. It states: "My name is Ezlo, master of Minish lore and sorcery. The Mage's Cap was my creation. But it's limitless power has caused nothing but trouble for your kind." So what does this mean? Either Ezlo is the Minish Cap or Nintendo screwed up their own title. Plus in every other Zelda game, when there's an "item" in the title ala, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, the Wind Waker etc. Link will either use that item or spend half if not the entire game looking for it. In Minish Cap,  Link knows nothing about Vaati's Cap having magical powers until Ezlo sheds a little light on his past.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on March 28, 2007, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: Dragmire on March 23, 2007, 02:23:05 PM
OMG, just stop arguing! You never actually use the MInish Cap. Just pay attention...Plus, Ezlo is transformed into a cap, so that might also clear things up.

We weren't arguing. At least I wasn't. I just wanted to make sure.  ::)
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Mysterious F. on March 29, 2007, 04:04:38 PM
Horsehead, it was NEVER capitalized, which gives the quote a different meaning. He just said that the mage's cap was made by him, this was a PRONOUN, not the actual name.

I guess we'll never know, then, huh?
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on April 07, 2007, 05:11:05 AM
I think Ezlo is the Minish Cap because this is what I saw on Zelda .com, which is the officiall website. "Using the power of a special hat called the Minish Cap, Link can shrink and explore the magical world of the Minish -- tiny people who live just beneath his feet!" And here's the link to prove it. http://zelda.com/universe/
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Mysterious F. on April 08, 2007, 08:39:22 AM
I think that's what's written on the box, actually. There's actually no proof which is which, so we'll never know.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Master Dragmire on April 08, 2007, 10:31:12 AM
Ezlo is not the Minish Cap.
Vaati has the Minish Cap.
In the cut scene showing Vaati using the Minish Cap to turn Ezlo into a cap, its say nothing about Ezlo being the Minish Cap.
Also,
the caption from the box is as follows,
"Use the magic of the cap to shrink and explore the world of the Minish lying hidden beneath your feet!"
The description for Ezlo is as follows,
"A mysterious creature tha Link meets during his adventure. He chatters away noisily at Link. He can be quite fussy, but he does seem to know what he's talking about."
The description for and shrinking/growing is as follows,
"Climb onto a portal to have Ezlo shrink you...."

Never in there does it mention that Link actually uses the cap itself, but only its power and magic. Ezlo created the Minish Cap, so obviously he has the power.
The box simply implies that for spoiler reasons. Technically Ezlo is a minish cap, but all minish wear caps :p
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on April 08, 2007, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known As Whocares on April 08, 2007, 08:39:22 AM
I think that's what's written on the box, actually. There's actually no proof which is which, so we'll never know.

I know it was written in the box, so what? Zelda.com is an official website, so I'd think it would be pretty reliable.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: DW on April 09, 2007, 07:22:59 AM
Yes, you can rely on it to copy the box perfectly. It still doesn't prove anything.
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Post by: Mysterious F. on April 09, 2007, 12:50:56 PM
Yes, if another site put the box up in a corner (legally, to add) then what you're saying means this is proof, so if a non-Zelda site itself does this then it's complete proof.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on April 10, 2007, 06:33:58 PM
Actually, I think it was just a link to another page on that site. I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Mysterious F. on April 11, 2007, 12:51:29 PM
I'll go check.

Yep, it was only a link, and that was just a general description of the game. And Vaati has a magic cap too, so this 'proof' is disbanded.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Kate on May 01, 2007, 10:44:18 AM
only four words ezlo is the minish cap
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: DW on May 01, 2007, 04:36:53 PM
Thank you for showing how incredibly intelligent and persuasive you are and posting such a long, thought out response with all your reasons. Since you explained, I value your opinion and don't completely disregard it.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Kate on May 02, 2007, 10:28:15 AM
right what ever you say ,your the best woooo wooooo woooooo   (SARCASUM)
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on May 02, 2007, 02:58:59 PM
Quote from: Kate on May 01, 2007, 10:44:18 AM
only four words ezlo is the minish cap
Actually, that's five words.
Quote from: Kate on May 02, 2007, 10:28:15 AM
right what ever you say ,your the best woooo wooooo woooooo   (SARCASUM)
I don't think that was nessisary, Kate. Shikaboose was just saying that you can't jump to conclusions and say that Ezlo is the Minish Cap without having some backup reasons. No one will believe you. But I do agree that Ezlo is the Minish Cap because, personally, I think he plays a bigger role than the hat that Vaati wears.
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Kate on May 03, 2007, 08:09:12 AM
i knew that i'm not that stupid ,i was annoyed at that point ,right so leave of
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Post by: violinist on May 03, 2007, 12:51:36 PM
Quotei knew that i'm not that stupid ,i was annoyed at that point ,right so leave of

That was off-topic and rude.  Vaati was being very polite.

Back on topic, Ezlo made the Minish Cap. He is not the Minish Cap.

SPOILERS!!!












At the end, Ezlo tells Zleda to try on the Minish Cap. If he's not a hat anymore, than what did  Zelda try on?














END OF SPOILERS!!
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on May 03, 2007, 02:51:03 PM
Thank you, Violinist.  :)
Good point...maybe there's a twist, and Ezlo and Vaati's hat are both the Minish Cap? It's a slim possibility, but it's still a possibility.  :-\
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: DW on May 03, 2007, 03:48:05 PM
Quote from: Kate on May 03, 2007, 08:09:12 AM
i knew that i'm not that stupid ,i was annoyed at that point ,right so leave of
Leave of? What's that mean? Anyways, that's nothing to get angry at her for, that was just rude.

I suppose they could both be true. The actual Minish Cap by name and the Minish Cap (Ezlo) by nature...
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on May 10, 2007, 05:39:11 PM
Which would make it an even better reason to call the game "the Minish Cap".
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Post by: Mysterious F. on May 10, 2007, 05:44:14 PM
It would have been easier to call the game 'The Minish Caps'. We wouldn't have to worry about which is which.  :-*
Title: Re:Who or What is the minish cap?
Post by: Vaati on May 10, 2007, 05:49:50 PM
But then again, they like to throw in those little mind bogglers, so they can be both, but they put "Cap" as a singular noun to confuse us.
But what also makes me think that Ezlo is the Minish Cap is because on the start screen when you start the game, it has "Minish Cap" below "Legend of Zelda" and on the 'C' there's a silhouette of Ezlo sitting on it.
It's a little different in this picture, though. But how Ezlo's just sitting there on the screen kind of screams out "Look at me! I'm the Minish Cap!" (http://www.siliconera.com/gba/zeldaminishcap/041105s1.jpg)