What would this be like. Lets just assume they got married. Imagine thier kids! :-*
I don't even want to go there.
Link doesn't love Ruto. Case Closed.
They get married, but she dumps him when she sees him eating a fillet o fish ;D
On a more serious note, Link doesn't love Ruto.
Didn't I just say that?
They only got (forcibly on Link's part) engaged.
I wonder, what do people eat in Hyule?
I'm just saying... if :-X
I guess those kids would hardly have (if any) Hylian characteristics. So they'd look like normal Zoras.
Actually, it's impossible for two animal species to interbreed. It just couldn't happen. The white blood cells would judge it isn't human and destroy it.
Its been proven that a Hylian and a Gerudo can have kids. Actully it might be possible for a Hylian and a Shiekah, or a Hylian and a Twili. But I doubt a Hylian and a Zora.
Why, it isn't impossible to dogs to interbreed. And thats more like what Hylians are to Zora's anyway, Zora's are humanoid and intelligent.
And what if he'd use the Zora Mask (kinda cruel, but it'd work). Or if he'd find some dead hylian/human girl and turned her into a mask for Ruto.
>_> It could work... Hylian by day Zora by night?
That's scary. Really scary. It would be defing science.
we are all asuming that hyrule has the same dna cell physic or whatever rules as earth but we do not know for sure maybe there you can interbreed
At least Humans and Hylains can, and probably Gerudo and other extremely human tribes. But the animal-human crossbreads like the Gorons and Zoras probably can't with human-like ones.
>_> We don't know that for sure.
The Zoras lay eggs, right? So, wouldn't that be impossible for a human-like species (Hylians) to breed with the Zoras (without masks).
Two different species can interbreed... We had some wolves and wolf-dogs here a few years back... >>; And most similar size canines can interbreed. It's a matter of chromosomes and which sections of the animal/plant kingdom.
And like dawnsummers12 said, we are just assuming they have similar DNA and breeding systems. I mean, in Zelda, you can breath underwater wearing a tunic that does nothing to your internal systems, especially the respiratory system. owo;
if they did get together (which they won't)and had kids (which is imposiable) they woukld come out as weird little things *shudders*
Quote from: Captain Jack Sparrow. on April 01, 2007, 02:31:16 PM
if they did get together (which they won't)and had kids (which is imposiable) they woukld come out as weird little things *shudders*
Mabey this though is what inspired the Japaneas to make all those crappy horror movies about fish monsters.
okay, dogs can interbreed because they are the same species. Whether it is a Chihuahua or a Rottweiler depends on what genes it has. Wolves can breed with dogs becasue a wolf is a dog. There are a few animals whose DNA is close enough to breed together, that's hwo we get mules from horses and donkeys, and the ligers from lions and tigers. as you see, they must be similar. So the real question is whether Zoras and Hylians are similar enough. We know that Hylians and Gerudo and Sheikah are very similar, so they can cross breed. Zoras are definitely humanoid, but are they enough so that cross breeding would be possible?
I wouldn't think so. Seeing as how they can breath underwater, have fins and scales, and lay eggs. That has to be way too different genetically.
Edit: They don't even have any visible genitalia. That pretty much rules out crossbreeding, doesn't it?
Well, Gorons have navels, which is a specifically mammal trait. I don't think they can interbreed, but I'm just sayin'...
As for Zoras; Zora/Hylian relationships aren't frowned upon in Hyrulean society, and there is the fact that Zora females exhibit specifically mammalian traits (breasts)... it's just one big mystery. (I've heard really good arguments against the Zora/Rito thing based on the idea that Laruto had children with a more humanoid male- a Hylian or a human).
(or a bird ;D) anyways, the fact they lay eggs should make it impossible for cross breeding. Still, I don't think they have to have kids to marry, right? If that was the way the world worked than we wouldn't be having Gay Marriage debates.
Quote from: Eralk Fang on April 02, 2007, 02:32:40 PM
As for Zoras; Zora/Hylian relationships aren't frowned upon in Hyrulean society,
Where'd you get this?
Quoteand there is the fact that Zora females exhibit specifically mammalian traits (breasts)...
Yeah, but they don't have nipples, so no dice. And even if they were mammals, that doesn't necessarily mean they'd be able to mate with humans. I'd like to see you successfully mate with a platypus. ;D
Quote from: Commodore Axilon on April 02, 2007, 02:53:21 PM
I'd like to see you successfully mate with a platypus. ;D
I'll take that challenge!
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Okay, not really.
I thought King Zora made an approving reference to the Ruto/Link relationship, but looking back over my resources, he doesn't seem to, and Ruto asks Link to keep their "engagement" a secret from her father. Whoops.
Weirder things have happened in the Zelda series, though. It's up in the air until we get something definite out of a game.
Quote from: Eralk Fang on April 02, 2007, 02:32:40 PM
Well, Gorons have navels, which is a specifically mammal trait. I don't think they can interbreed, but I'm just sayin'...
As for Zoras; Zora/Hylian relationships aren't frowned upon in Hyrulean society, and there is the fact that Zora females exhibit specifically mammalian traits (breasts)...
I think they just added that so you can tell Ruto is female.
It's ... interesting to think about what the kids would be like, but I don't think that is a possibility. Zora are basically evolved fish, so from a genetic standpoint, it couldn't happen. Hylians and Zora's probably don't even have the same amount of chromosomes. But wait, who says that can't happen in the world of Zelda, as it is a world that revolves around magic more than science... so I guess it could happen... but why hasn't it? You never see mix breeds running around Hyrule. Well, if the thing about them not being able to procreate is true, I suppose it is possible if Link wore the Zora mask, like someone already mentioned. Wow, I am tired.
would wearing the mask really change the way he reproduces though? I mean, could it really change the life forms inside....it's organs? Plus, it is a dead body he is using, so wouldn't they be dead too?
About the egg thing, humans have eggs, they just don't come out the body.
Wrong kind of egg.
You studied Zora eggs? They look liquidish to me.
I mean that a mammalian egg and a bird/reptile/amphibian/fish egg don't work the same at all.
yeah...with fish eggs the baby grows inside, mammal eggs they grow out of it right?
And Zoras don't neccasarily fit any of those. I mean in MM, those eggs were clearly already fertalized (I think I know who). So maybe magical fish people reproduce in some different way.
eggs are fertilized after they are laid and before they are hatched, so that really doesn't prove anything...
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on April 03, 2007, 05:28:41 PM
yeah...with fish eggs the baby grows inside, mammal eggs they grow out of it right?
In mammals such as humans, after fertalization of the egg, the egg develops into the embyro, which develops into the fetus, which develops into the baby, which...well, you get the idea.
not really. Please go into excruciating detail for the younger visiters of this site.
Excruciating details are for people majoring in that subject. Hold on. I'll go find a biology major.
righto. The forums, Link, Ruto, and the clergyman will be waiting.
Ruto and Link will never have children. It's impossible for two different species of animals to interbreed, and Zoras and Hylians are no exceptions.
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on April 03, 2007, 09:26:53 PM
eggs are fertilized after they are laid and before they are hatched, so that really doesn't prove anything...
Not true. Birds eggs are fertilized before they hatch (I have a few chickens at my house).
Well, Zora aren't birds, now are they?
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on April 04, 2007, 05:32:49 PM
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on April 03, 2007, 09:26:53 PM
eggs are fertilized after they are laid and before they are hatched, so that really doesn't prove anything...
Not true. Birds eggs are fertilized before they hatch (I have a few chickens at my house).
umm that's what I said...before they hatche...
Yeah, but they're fertilized before they're laid. Still doesn't matter though, seeing as how they're not birds.
Quote from: Kannochi on April 04, 2007, 04:00:09 PM
Ruto and Link will never have children. It's impossible for two different species of animals to interbreed, and Zoras and Hylians are no exceptions.
Actually, a donkey and a horse are two different species, but they can still mate. That's how we get mules. However, the mule is sterile, so it can't mate.
A donkey and a horse are extremely similar genetically, which is virtually impossible for humans and zora.
Actually, I was just correcting Kannochi when he said that two different species can't interbreed. I didn't say anything about a Hylian/human or a Zora mating.
Yeah, I figured. I'm just really tired of this argument popping up, so I wanted to address it while it was there. *shrugs*
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Quote from: Kannochi on April 04, 2007, 04:00:09 PM
Ruto and Link will never have children. It's impossible for two different species of animals to interbreed, and Zoras and Hylians are no exceptions.
Actually, a donkey and a horse are two different species, but they can still mate. That's how we get mules. However, the mule is sterile, so it can't mate.
Ya, but can a duck and a cow mate?
....they can't. have you ever known them to?
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on April 04, 2007, 07:06:16 PM
Ya, but can a duck and a cow mate?
Like I said, I was only correcting Kannochi when he said that two species couldn't breed. They can if they're similar enough genetically. Personally, I don't know if Zoras and Hylians are similar enough genetically, nor do I care. I just felt that it was necessary to correct Kannochi. That's why I didn't say anything about a Zora and a Hylian mating.
obviously Iron Knuckle hasn't been in biology yet....there is a big discussion about this stuff...
SARCASM!!!!!!!!
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sarcasm really isn't that good to use when you are discussing theries.
0.o It finally happened.(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/8797/rutolinkqh4.gif)Link Jr.
That's not a very creative job though....All they did was color him blue...it could just be Link choking.
Thats because I did it in about five minutes.
the children would be a bit mongolised
It couldn't happen anyway!!! There is no way an egglaying species can have offspring with a livebirth species.
don't knock it til' you've tried it. Actually, go ahead, I don't wanna think about it..
Tell that to the creatures that give birth to the first platypus.
It's possible if you have an open mind and can explain it well. Don't even ask me to attempt to explain it well. It's not something I really want to think about either.
I'm not saying it can't be done, I'm saying I don't want to know the details of any attempts he makes...yeah...I think I just threw up a bit in my mouth...
Ok even if it were possible for them to have kids, we have to ask: Would Link want to? There are plenty of other girls in OOT who would be more practical (and less barf inducing).
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on April 27, 2007, 04:25:46 PM
Ok even if it were possible for them to have kids, we have to ask: Would Link want to? There are plenty of other girls in OOT who would be more practical (and less barf inducing).
Why is Ruto nasty?
Yes, not to mention that is incredibly shallow, and I hope someone like Link would be noble enough to cast looks aside.
Quote from: Bboy94 on April 27, 2007, 06:36:52 PM
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on April 27, 2007, 04:25:46 PM
Ok even if it were possible for them to have kids, we have to ask: Would Link want to? There are plenty of other girls in OOT who would be more practical (and less barf inducing).
Why is Ruto nasty?
How would you like to marry an alien? That escensially what it would be if Link married Ruto. Shes another species.
She's another RACE. She is still Humanoid with Human characteristics. That's like saying a white marrying a black is wrong.
Now you're just strawmanning his position. The different human "races" (which are just social constructs, by the way) can interbreed with each other. Zora and Hylians are obviously different species. Two different things.
How can you be sure though? How do you know their DNA isn't close enough to allow interbreeding?
A couple reasons:
1. They have gills, or at least some other mechanism which allows them to breath underwater.
2. They have scales.
3. They lay eggs.
4. Physical appearance, i.e. fins, webbed hands, eyes, etc.
5. Offspring are extremely dissimilar.
No way could something that different be of the same species.
They don't have to be of the same species. Case in point, Horses and Donkeys, Horses and Zebras, Lions and Tigers...
Which, as I've already addressed, are extremely genetically similar, with often only one chromosome's difference.
Something as radical a difference as how they give birth would warrant at least an Order's separation, and that doesn't even take into account the other differences.
Maybe they are similar enough, though, there really is no way to tell. Chickens are similar to us....kinda scary....
Plus, Echidnas and Platypi prove that eggs can be layed after....you know....
Eh, maybe. In a world like Hyrule filled with all kinds of crazy magical stuff, anything's possible.
...But, you know. Occam's Razor, and all that.
For all we know Hylians could have gills and lay eggs. :o
Quote from: Bboy94 on April 29, 2007, 07:17:03 PM
For all we know Hylians could have gills and lay eggs. :o
Right, that must be why Link drowns when he sits around underwater without the Zora Tunic. ;D
Maybe the Zora Tunic allows him to use those gills. He may not be able to otherwise. remember, this is a different universe, different laws of physics and everything...
ruto and link would make like mongolised freak children it'a a fact of nature totally
Quote from: Shikaboose on April 30, 2007, 09:48:21 PM
Maybe the Zora Tunic allows him to use those gills. He may not be able to otherwise. remember, this is a different universe, different laws of physics and everything...
I can't believe your taking this seriously. Thats like saying we couldn't use our lungs unless we wore a special hat.
The don't have gills becuase Link can drown. And Uli (Rusl's wife) in TP is obviously
pregnate for the majority of the game, thus they don't lay eggs. Any more insane theorys for me to disprove?
This isn't Earth. The laws of physics and nature don't apply here.
And you assume this because...?
You assume that is does have the exact same properties? You're telling me that there is more evidence that a parallel, made-up planet with unisexual creatures(Gorons), Magic, Fairies, and completely different locations and weather patterns has the same properties as our Earth than there is evidence against it having the same properties?
So you assume that because some things in Zelda wouldn't work the same as here that all things in Zelda wouldn't work the same as here? That's quite a leap of logic, if you ask me.
I assume that in this case, it would be better to assume they work differently than the same way, because in order for that to happen they would have to be the same distance from an incredibly similar star with the same mass and diameter and all that other stuff. Chances are at least one thing is different, and if that one thing is different it changes the way everything works; gravity, life forms that survive, everything.
Newsflash: it doesn't really exist. So whether it's possible or not isn't really relevant.
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on May 01, 2007, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Shikaboose on April 30, 2007, 09:48:21 PM
Maybe the Zora Tunic allows him to use those gills. He may not be able to otherwise. remember, this is a different universe, different laws of physics and everything...
I can't believe your taking this seriously. Thats like saying we couldn't use our lungs unless we wore a special hat.
<_<
/me takes off hat
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The don't have gills becuase Link can drown. And Uli (Rusl's wife) in TP is obviously pregnate for the majority of the game, thus they don't lay eggs. Any more insane theorys for me to disprove?
Well what if she is pregnant with an egg? Or better yet, maybe Link and Ruto... uh... and then she is pregnant with eggs instead of live birth and then she gives birth to eggs which then hatch!
Quote from: Commodore Zexion on May 01, 2007, 04:56:53 PM
Newsflash: it doesn't really exist. So whether it's possible or not isn't really relevant.
What I find odd is that you're saying it's not possible for him to have gills, but are now saying that's irrelevant.
That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that you can't say the Zelda planet couldn't have come out like ours because it's fiction, i.e. you have no idea how it went down.
...Actually, it's pretty well established that the three goddesses created the world. And I'd like to see you tell me you know exactly how they did that.
Quote from: Bboy94 on May 01, 2007, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on May 01, 2007, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Shikaboose on April 30, 2007, 09:48:21 PM
Maybe the Zora Tunic allows him to use those gills. He may not be able to otherwise. remember, this is a different universe, different laws of physics and everything...
I can't believe your taking this seriously. Thats like saying we couldn't use our lungs unless we wore a special hat.
<_<
/me takes off hat
>_> Quote
The don't have gills becuase Link can drown. And Uli (Rusl's wife) in TP is obviously pregnate for the majority of the game, thus they don't lay eggs. Any more insane theorys for me to disprove?
Well what if she is pregnant with an egg? Or better yet, maybe Link and Ruto... uh... and then she is pregnant with eggs instead of live birth and then she gives birth to eggs which then hatch!
I'm not even gonna bother argueing anymore. You aparently were sleeping during biology class.
Quote from: Commodore Lexaeus on May 02, 2007, 12:49:21 PM
That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that you can't say the Zelda planet couldn't have come out like ours because it's fiction, i.e. you have no idea how it went down.
...Actually, it's pretty well established that the three goddesses created the world. And I'd like to see you tell me you know exactly how they did that.
they created it much the same way God created Earth, I imagine, but
how it was made isn't important, it's what it was made
into.
I'm not saying it's impossible for it to have urned out the same as Earth, I'm saying it's very very highly improbable, very close to impossible. You think of all the combinations that are possible, and the chances of those two matching aren't looking good, so it seems more logical to go with the greater odds.
Except, as I've already stated, it doesn't really exist, so it doesn't matter how likely or not it is!
I can't even tell what we're arguing about...
I guess if Hyrule can be expected to generally work the same as Earth. *shrugs*
Which is kinda off-topic, isn't it? ;)
Well actually it isn't, because how Hyrule is set up would determine whether Ruto and Link could have kids.
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on May 02, 2007, 01:40:49 PM
Quote from: Bboy94 on May 01, 2007, 06:40:38 PM
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on May 01, 2007, 02:00:59 PM
Quote from: Shikaboose on April 30, 2007, 09:48:21 PM
Maybe the Zora Tunic allows him to use those gills. He may not be able to otherwise. remember, this is a different universe, different laws of physics and everything...
I can't believe your taking this seriously. Thats like saying we couldn't use our lungs unless we wore a special hat.
<_<
/me takes off hat
>_> Quote
The don't have gills becuase Link can drown. And Uli (Rusl's wife) in TP is obviously pregnate for the majority of the game, thus they don't lay eggs. Any more insane theorys for me to disprove?
Well what if she is pregnant with an egg? Or better yet, maybe Link and Ruto... uh... and then she is pregnant with eggs instead of live birth and then she gives birth to eggs which then hatch!
I'm not even gonna bother argueing anymore. You aparently were sleeping during biology class.
I never heard of anyone saying you couldn't give birth to an egg. It would be like having a baby still in its sac.
Pregnancy is a trait of things who give birth to live babies. An egg laying species (such as a bird or fish) cannot become pregnant.
I believe Echidnas do though, don't they?
Quote from: Shikaboose on May 03, 2007, 04:38:27 PM
I believe Echidnas do though, don't they?
And platapuses too. But answer this: Do Hylians have more in common with humans or platapusses?
1) its platypi
2) are echidna more like hedgehogs or platypi?
Quote from: Shikaboose on May 06, 2007, 01:37:08 AM
1) its platypi
2) are echidna more like hedgehogs or platypi?
There is no universally agreed upon plural for platypus. It's usually said as "platypuses," "platypoda," or just "platypus."
And as for the echidna question... the four species of echidna are monotremes, as is the platypus.
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Quote from: Shikaboose on May 06, 2007, 01:37:08 AM
1) its platypi
2) are echidna more like hedgehogs or platypi?
There is no universally agreed upon plural for platypus. It's usually said as "platypuses," "platypoda," or just "platypus."
And as for the echidna question... the four species of echidna are monotremes, as is the platypus.
I thought we were dicusing Ruto and Link, not grammer.
An echidna is like a hedgehog, yes.
Anyway, except for the ears, Hylians look exactly like humans so it is very likely that the have live birth like humans.
Likely, but not definite.
An echidna looks like a hedgehog much more than a platypus, but as stated before, it is in the same family as the platypus and shares more properties of a platypus than of a hedgehog. Yes, Hylians look human, but for all we know they could be Marsupial. they are always wearing clothes, maybe they have pouches?
Link certainly had no problem with going into Ricky's pouch. I know I'd be a bit uneasy unless it was a natural thing for me.
I dunno, those things sound pretty cozy to me, I wouldn't hesitate. ;D I would probably be scared to ride on a giant blue flying bear or a dinosaur though :-[
If I knew the dinosaur wouldn't eat me, I'd ride on it's back if it allowed me. But that's a tad bit off topic now, isn't it?
You know, I'm not sure there is a defined topic for this anymore :-*
I believe it's something about how disgusted most people are by the thought of how Link and Ruto would have children.
???A rather nasty thought just came to my mind....again...
say if they got married (which they won't) now say after 10 years of marridge ruto wants some kids and link says YES there kids will turn out humans with flippers and fins or you will get fuzzy zora kids .