The Desert Colossus

I got in an argument over TP and TWW, over which was better. For some reason, the kid thought TWW was better, and had the same dificulty as TP. :o

Both are my favorites I just cannot decide, but TP has an advantage: the Wii, playingwith the wii controllers is unique.

It's all a matter of opinion.  There's no scientific way to prove which game is better than another.

Yeah, it depends on preference. TP is for people who like less difficulty and realism. WW for people who like sailing and colorful cartoons.

Less difficulty? It's the hardest 3D Zelda released so far. I like it because of its connections to ALttP.

Hardest? Pshaw. Majora's Mask was much harder. But yeah, easier than TWW? I don't know what he's been smoking.

Only because of the time-system. Puzzles and enemies are harder in TP, in my opinion.

>_> I've only died twice in TP, and that was only as a wolf. Either in a year, I have become really, really good, or TP is easier.

I think TP is easier; but then again, I adore sliding puzzles, like the ones in Snowpeak.

In my guidebook, I read at the top of a page, "Okay, now this IS hard." about something similar to that to get a heart piece. Not a problem at all too me.

So, I guess it's just a matter of opinion; I didn't have any problems with TP, but in tWW, I had a major issue in the Earth Temple. In one of the rooms, I couldn't figure out how to solve a mirror puzzle thing, and I spent forever trying to find it out.

However, the colours and brightness of tWW burned my retina. ;w; But the realism of TP made the game... quite boring, actually. In tWW, when the sun came up, it was spectacular and unrealistic In TP, it was normal and you could've just sat outside and watched the same thing. Well, the sunset/sunrise thing was a bad example, but you can catch my drift.

MM was much, much harder in my opinion. Without a walkthrough, it is extremely difficult. My friend couldn't beat it without walkthrough, and I had issues without a walkthrough.

I say TP was better, but it's not set in stone that it has to be a better game. After all, tWW was made to attract younger people, and TP was for the older people. So it can really depend on a lot of factors.

TWW, TP had too much of a dark setting and TWW had the figurines.

Quote from: Bboy94 on April 09, 2007, 05:57:40 PM
Yeah, it depends on preference. TP is for people who like less difficulty and realism. WW for people who like sailing and colorful cartoons.

Less dificulty? WW was one of the easyest LOZ games. If you eliminated the time you spent sailing, you could probly beat WW in 10 hours or less. Plus it looked horrible.

WW was the easiest of all Zeldas. It was incedibly short, if you don't count sailing, and to get from the top to the bottom of the map takes me about 10 minutes. Light atmospheres are boring, because you nothing bad is ever going to happen. Ganon was barely evil right before you fight him, when he says "I'm not going to kill you". How much of a crappy enemy can you get?
TPs dark atmoshere was pretty good, with Zeldas death, and the opening where everyone got kidnapped, and Link turning into a wolf, after being strangled by a Shadow Assassin.

I thoguht TWW had a good atmosphere, it changed and everything based on where you were. and it was good that ganon was getting less evil, it gave him more depth then just the generic, flat, 'I'm a kill u' villain that is all too common these days.

3 Bud lights + 1 Miyamoto + 7 pictures from Doctor Soose books  = 1 WW cel shaded effect.
See what you can do when you take Algebra 1. Didn't even need a calculater. ;D

WW. It's more deep. TP is to shallow. Plus, Zelda is fiesty in WW. I slashed her, and I could have sworn she shot at me on purpose. And I loved Tetra.

QuoteZeldas death

Spoilers much? Thanks for ruining the ending for me.

Don't worry Bboy, she didn't give you the whole spoiler...methinks she hasn't finished the game..

WW all the way. I was sooo looking forward to TP, but now as i play it.... i miss wind waker. I thought that this HUGE new world was going to be filled to the brim with side quests and people to talk to, but ... well it isn't. At the beginning of the game I really felt a part of the village, i was proud and felt an obligation to save these people.

Ever since I left the town all the towns people say the same thing. There is barely anyone in the WHOLE of the map of any interest to talk to, you end up going through the motions... completing the storyline just for something to do. Dont get me wrong, i love TP its scale and some of the storytelling is awesome, just it feels a little dead. In WW there was just so many different islands to visit... to explore. Windfall was a joy just to be in, they crammed so much onto a small island, while in hyrule town theres barely anyone of interest to speak to...if you even can speak to them... you cant even look around in the fixed camera view.

Quote>_> I've only died twice in TP, and that was only as a wolf. Either in a year, I have become really, really good, or TP is easier.

I don't think I ever really died in MM, with the exception of the one time the moon hit, the boss battle against Gyorg and a struggle with a Gold Skulltula.

In TP I was killed several times, in most dungeons. Even on my first playthrough on the GC version. It's also the first Zelda since ALttP where you lose a whole heart if you fall down an endless pit.

Quote from: Evilslayer on April 29, 2007, 07:25:29 AM

Quote>_> I've only died twice in TP, and that was only as a wolf. Either in a year, I have become really, really good, or TP is easier.

I don't think I ever really died in MM, with the exception of the one time the moon hit, the boss battle against Gyorg and a struggle with a Gold Skulltula.

In TP I was killed several times, in most dungeons. Even on my first playthrough on the GC version. It's also the first Zelda since ALttP where you lose a whole heart if you fall down an endless pit.

Gyorg. ;w; And the glitchy hills in Zora's Hall... -shakes head-

I died a lot at the beginning of TP, it was actually really funny, I was attacking the Twilit Kargarocs, and I kept jumping off the edges, and I got shot with fire arrows a lot wearing the Zora Armour...  ;)

Yeah, I also kept killing myself attacking those kargaroks on the rooftops....and before that they kept killing me because I didn't know I could jump attack...

They were hard, so I just ran past them. But they do look cool. Why did the Twilight Palace have to be so short?

I couldn't choose, they're both awesome.
In TP there was a lot of those moments where I couldn't figure something out, but it was like a tiny thing that I was shocked when I found out how to do it.
Like in Snow Peak, I couldn't figure out how to use the canon, I knew I had to use it but I only had one bomb bag, and it contained water bombs. I spent ages trying to put them along with the canon balls in the canon, since I thought they're bombs and almost the same shape as a regular one I never considered I would have to change them. I had to look it up and when I realised they had to be regular bombs I hit myself.

TWW didn't have that, I thought it was easier, as it was a bit more straightforward. I still loved it, I wish you could hold more pictures though.

TP, TWW is much easiser and doesn't have enough dungens.

WW's writers are probly standing around downtown Tokyo holding up signs saying "Will create random plot points for food" right now. The story was bland and unimaginative at best. It also never bothered to explain anything. I still find it incredibly hard to believe that both Link and Zeldas ancestors (along with a lot of other people) survived the flood in order to populate all these islands. They can't all have been on the top of a mountain at the time. Also it never explained where the Rito came from. They couldn't have evolved from the Zora. The Zora are a fish race, if Hyrule flooded it would be a paradies for them. It would only make things better. It never told us how Tingle managed to get out of Termina (the Tingle RPG explains he is immortal, thus it is the same Tingle) either.

Are you serious? The story was very good, and for all we know the Rito could have always been on the tops of the mountains and just never got discovered until everyone had to retreat up there.

Also, Link and Zelda's ancestors could have very well survived. Maybe they weren't the ancestors physically, but they were spiritually.

Thousands of years had passed between Majora's Mask and WW, Tingle could have very well found himself in a new place in all that time.

The story was good, yes, it was. I liked it. Oh well, to each his own.

Hey, you know what? Maybe Tingle's like the Happy Mask Salesman and can travel between dimensions... owo He did show up in the Minish Cap, too.

Uh, why do we assume all the Tingles are the same person? Is the Tingle RPG even canon?

I am actually being a prick. I have looked back at some of my posts and relize I am being a little to harsh.

Lets get something straight. I think WW is great.....when compared to other non Zelda games. If it wasn't a Zelda game I would love it. However, becuase it is Zelda, it has to be able to compeate against other Zeldas (mainly the other 3D ones), which it miserably fails at. It is unable to live up to the awsome story and action of TP, the gameplay of OOT, or the mind bending puzzles of MM. While I consider all the 2D Zeldas (with the exception of MC) inferior to WW, it is nowear near as good as the other 3Ds. I can't wait to see if PH will succed in the areas WW failed.

Well, that's all just your opinion. I, frankly, thought TP was quite a disappointment compared to the other 3D games. It was still an awesome game, yes, but not quite as good as MM, TWW, and OoT (in that order of awesomeness). I just felt it tried too hard, at everything basically, while not really focusing on anything. It was just all over the place.

TWW: "Hey guys, isn't this innovative? I'll bet you'll have lots of fun with me."
TP: "ZOMG look how awsome i m!!!11!1111! i m teh 1337 h4xX0r5!11!1!! play me!!11!! play me!!111"

And you never really answered my question regarding the Tingle RPG.

Quote from: Commodore Spartacus on June 05, 2007, 12:21:16 PM
Well, that's all just your opinion. I, frankly, thought TP was quite a disappointment compared to the other 3D games. It was still an awesome game, yes, but not quite as good as MM, TWW, and OoT (in that order of awesomeness). I just felt it tried too hard, at everything basically, while not really focusing on anything. It was just all over the place.

And you never really answered my question regarding the Tingle RPG.

Yay, someone else agrees. I think they spent too much time on glamourizing it. No one really... talks in the game. It's all about how awesome they look... >w>

MM was the greatest 3D game, though. Great storytelling and NPCs. :D

I still think TP is best, but MM and WW are close behind.

TP is great (took my time and only just finished it). They seemed to have concentrated on the scale of hyrule, i only ever warped if i HAD to cause riding across hyrule field with epona was just so enthralling. I loved the hiding of the heart peices around the field in places that you could just ride past. But all that scale led to hyrule being a bit barron.

At the begining of the game the characters in Orden really made me feel like part of the community, but after that it was a bit bland. There were very few people of interest in the game. Places like Hyrule town should have a rich cast of NPC's but in TP there were very few that wern't part of the story, and as story related characters i just felt like you were talking to them cause you had to... WW was almost the polar opposite!

I'd say TP. It's more dark than WW, the graphics are really cool, and it has a great storyline.

Guy, having alot of hype isn't a ligitiment reason to hate a game. Its just stupid to hate TP just becuase it got more show time at E3 than your favorite Zelda did. Plus, most games that have alot of hype are great. Halo 2 for example was probly the most anticipated game of the year when it was announced, and many people thought it was recieving too much attention. However, it turned out to be one of the best FPSs of all time.

I was hoping TP would be a lot better than WW, but after playing it, I think they could have done better. Hopefully in the next game they incoporate the good parts of both games (not cel-shading!) and make the most awesome Zelda game ever!

Well, sorry to burst your bubble, Zoratunic, but... the next game coming out is going to have cel shading. Phantom Hourglass. Comes out like... next month in Japan. (I still have to wait until December.)

Anyways, regardless of the graphics, I hope Phantom Hourglass just... pwns TP.

Quote from: Fisk on June 17, 2007, 08:54:53 AM
Anyways, regardless of the graphics, I hope Phantom Hourglass just... pwns TP.

It won't. Remembe, its on the DS. The DS only has the grafical ability of an N64 game circa 1996, thus its grafics will be far behind WW (possibly MM and OOT as well), much less TP.

Oh, that's right. Graphics are the only thing that matter in a game, correct?

Seriously, I couldn't care less about the DS's graphical abilities. Who cares if it's graphics can't compare to TP's? I don't.

I'm hoping Phantom Hourglass will own Twilight in the way that the characters are developed and in the way that the game won't seem as though you have to do nothing but the storyline, as TP seemed to me. There weren't really any sidequests compared to WW. You could do the Cave of Ordeals in WW farther, the pictograph quest, lighting the lighthouse, go and visit every island, get the map completed, etc., etc.

Seriously Iron Knuckle, it's really shallow to say that it won't be as good as TP just because it's on the DS.

I voted earlier, but I forgot which game I voted for. If I was choosing now, however, I'd choose TP.

TP in my book, I like it so much better than ww, in my book, the game kind of had sucky graphics compared to majora's mask and Ocarina of Time. And TP had way better graphics and story line.

Quote from: Fisk on June 17, 2007, 08:54:53 AM
Well, sorry to burst your bubble, Zoratunic, but... the next game coming out is going to have cel shading. Phantom Hourglass. Comes out like... next month in Japan. (I still have to wait until December.)

Anyways, regardless of the graphics, I hope Phantom Hourglass just... pwns TP.

I was kinda talking about the game after Phantom Hourglass...

Dang it, I miss read a post again. I read regardless as regarding! 8) Sorry. Anyway, I think that PH ahs potential. It may be hard to get use to touchscreen controls at first, but it might work. Seeing how Ganon died in WW, I wonder who the new baddies gonna be. I hope its someone new.

Most likely a band of pirates...although some people are hoping for Vaati. I find that highly unlikely though.

Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on June 17, 2007, 10:07:52 PM
Most likely a band of pirates...although some people are hoping for Vaati. I find that highly unlikely though.

Ya, but we all know the final boss is gonna be a powerful mage of some kind. Vaati is very unlikely, but it would be cool. I've always wanted him to be in 3d.

I liked TWW more.. there is so much fun things you can do in it.. with some imagination