Well, because Jack is going ot have a hand fool of work while he's gone, we should try to think of new rules so that this whole two-month epidemic won't happen again.
I have two:
1 - No insulting to religion, backround, heritage, etc. of members
2 - More of a suggestion, but please don't bring back topics that haven't been used for a long time.
1-No insulting members outloud and too the public, you can in PM's, just as an agreement thingy
2-Don't bring back old topics Ex: We hit 100
because no one really wants to talk about having 100 members, when we really have 1000+
I already said the second, and the first is already a rule. (No insulting members)
Oh whoops, sorry for the spam, well if I suggest it, maybe we can make it a rule easier.
It's not spam, it was an on-topic post.
O cool SWEET. Ok, well maybe if we start suggesting the same things we can make it a fair rule.
You two are starting to convo post.
I actually realized that. That's why I didn't respond.
Hey Gamefreak, surely you have a suggestion.
.........Not sure. I don't spend my time thinking up new rules.
Sorry, I didn't notice, thanks for saving my but Whocares. And I'm trying to think of more rules. It would be nice to have a new disscussion board only for mods and very trusted members. Where we can disscuss things like this, and not worry about others members spamming and looking at our posts.
I can only come up with one rule, which is no cloning. Cloning meaning creating double accounts.
We had several cases concerning that, I think 2, thats a very good idea, I haven't thought of that because I haven't seen anyone do it again.
Quote from: Howl on May 20, 2007, 04:57:08 PM
We had several cases concerning that, I think 2
That is so contradictory....
Anyways, that really could create a serious problem in people playing the warning and ban system, and is just one more reason why we need a forum admin.
The thing is, without e-mail or direct proof, it's hard to be final on whether someone's making multiple accounts or not.
Evidence does build up though, and it appears that the Kate/Death War thing was true though, because they both abruptly quit after we started suggesting that....
That case aside, it's still pretty hard to be exact about that sort of thing. Because:
1F 1 m3mb3r d035 1337 5p34k
and:
4n0th3r m3mb3r d035 1337 5p34k
It's kind of hard to just go on that.
This topic will run counter-productive. Jack WILL have a lot to do when he gets back, and to suddenly introduce new rules like this would make things a tad more difficult for him.
I know. I'm just letting them know how hard it is to be precise on whether a member is an alternative account.
Ganon/Jack Sparrow was another double acount, I forgot how we figured out......
Jack checked the IP adress and saw it was the same, right?
I think. But such a thing would be impossible for us regular members.
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on May 20, 2007, 06:27:19 PM
Jack checked the IP adress and saw it was the same, right?
Yes he did, I remember him saying that the IP address was the same and banned both accounts using an IP ban.
Mods should be able to check IPs shouldn't they?
No, only Jack can check personal details like that.
Mainly because he's the only one that can really ban people.
Quote from: Akatsuki on May 19, 2007, 01:35:33 PM
2 - More of a suggestion, but please don't bring back topics that haven't been used for a long time.
Well, there's an up and a down to this. Stuff like theories, "list" threads (like, what's your favourite ____ ), and game threads should be allowed to be revived after a long sleep. However, just your average discussion threads and questions that have already been answered...since there are a lot of old ones, why don't they just get deleted?
I also suggest a rule stating that a thread that has been locked for whatever reason may not be recreated without the consent of a moderator. Or all of them, to make it fair, I guess.
...unless that's already a rule :-[
when someone gets a warning pm them or they may not read that post that the mod said ok
and spam i think befor you get a warning for spam i think you need to do 5 or 3 spam post to get a warning...
Please don't make us go through that again. We already decided that allowing that many freebies would give the member the impression that they can do it whenever.
i maen one bit of spam is not going to kill you, maybe the meat
nevermind am not going to battle you
...I also suggest an etiquette thread. And I mean that seriously, not just saying that to be snide.
I suggets a mod-only thread, like what was in Evilbob's forums. Only mods and admins can view it, and former mods/admins. (Mainly because the only notable two so far, me and Phantompig, have only quit rather than just get sacked) Only in special cases can regular members be allowed in, and that should only be very rarely.
That kind of defeats the purpose of a mod only thing.
No, the special occasion is if they are in serious trouble (medli, dan_the_man, Ganon, for example) or if they are former or soon-to-be mods. (MagmarFire, me, and Phantompig, etc.)
Well, if we just wanted to have a single thread for mods, all we have to do is make a topic and lock it. Mods can post in locked topics while regular members can't.
Ummm, regular members can still view it, actually.
*sighs*
what is it you want, whocares? Do you want some old club of "Good ole boys" where you can sit around and do whatever? What's the point of making such a thing? There is no need to keep secrets here, and if it should be 'mod-only', then it should stay 'mod-only', without exception. Former mods? What would the point be? They can no longer do anything; they no longer have assurtive power or authority.
And besides, phantompig shows up rarely, so what would the purpose serve for an absent member whom rarely shows up?
But of course, it would be difficult to distinguish a regular member from a 'former mod', in order to code it into the site. In order for them to view it, they need a special marker, a marker that is shared among that group: IE: moderator. Since a former moderator is just the same as a regular member, no matter the exception, it'd be pointless.
And coming mods? If it were 'coming' mod to view that board, then he should already BE a mod.
Yes...Whocares seems to be the only 'former' mod there will be....This just seems pretty pointless to me, I think it should just be mods and mods only.
The point of mod-only topics is archives of warns, bans, etc. and disscussion of stuff Jack is planning, and a place where mods can vote on things for the site without being harrased by members. Creating a new membergroup just so you can see it, seems pointless.
As said earlier.....
Even if you aren't a mod, any member, or guest, even, can view a topic that is locked, which would entirely ruin the point of creating a mod-only topic.
Locked topics ca NOT be disrupted. And besides, why include former mods in this deal? What's the point? THey're no longer mods, they no longer wield power, so just... WHY?
It doesn't have to be locked, people just won't be able to get to it.
We could be discussing something secret, actually. Knowing you, you are definetly against that, but you'll have to accept that while we're discussing something, it is to remain secret until the matter is fully discussed.
I see...
But why do you want to be included in the mod-board so badly, especially if you're quitting?
I won't interfere with any decisions they make, but I'd actually like to know what's happening in the mod castle.
Then don't quit the modship if you want to know what's going on behind closed doors.
No, I'm tired of both having to constantly argue with members (which, in fact, is a consequence of being a mod) and of having to deal with rule breakers (most notably this month) but I still want to know what is happening. I have considered jsut not doing anything like Evilslayer, but that would really just ruin the point of being a mod altogether.
Why would you want to know? To what purpose? You already can't do anything then.
REMEMBER! Being a mod means that you have to deal with these stresses, and if you can't take them, and decide to quit, you don't deserve to be in the 'mod castle'.
ONLY PRESENT MODS ALLOWED!
Seems like Whocares wants to have his cake and eat it too. I see no reason former mods should be given special privileges, seeing as how they're not mods anymore, they're regular members.
This isn't helping your image in the eyes of the public, Whocares, just give it up. There's no good reason to give past mods access to mod-only topics.
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on June 01, 2007, 03:08:26 PM
This isn't helping your image in the eyes of the public, Whocares, just give it up. There's no good reason to give past mods access to mod-only topics.
Yea, true, any other time I would agree with Whocares, but 'former-mod' is like, no it is retiring. You gave Magmar your name as a moderator, you gave it up. Now, you can't take it back to get into a mod only thread, if one was made
You guys never figured out yet I only wanted to do this to see what your opinions of my former modship was yet? I knew I would never get in, but I thought of this as a chance to see just what the public thought of me the past three or four months. Sorry I did this, but I'd have liked to see you be open about it. If I randomly askede people, then they wouldn't be as open as I'd like them to be. It seems the only one who is glad I'm quiting is JQ, the others have mixed opinions.
Oh, yeah... Since you'll be leaving, I think we're going to have to make a new Warnings thread.
Incorrect. It stays. Whether or not I'm a mod, it's been used long enough and is too important to get rid of just because you think because I'm not a mod anymore it shouldn't be. And that reasoning makes no sense.
And I wouldn't do that, I respect Gamefreak and ZV enough and accept I'm not a mod to not do that. And I wouldn't be able to edit that post. It was locked while I was a mod by me, so only a mod would be able to unlock or edit it, so I'd only be able to view the topic.
Actually, it does. Since, even if you weren't a mod here any longer, you'd still be able to edit the first post, where the warnings are posted. This is simply a precaution. Even ZV and Gamefreak realize this.
i've heard someone mention a mod topic or something.
im totally opposed to that.
it just dosn't work.
causes more problems.
You're guessing that off the experiences of ZV's mod forums. Well, ZV's forums aren't as major as TDC, and, despite what JQ believes, the mods will need privacy when discussing something important. Think about it: would you ratehr have the skilled people who matter in the discusion only talk, or have random people from everywhere in the site send you messages of their opinions? Once a decision would be made, then they'd tell the public, but, unlike what others think, when they are discussing them they need the absolute promise of privacy.
Perhaps we could takr the "Mod only" idea to a vote?
Most other forums have at the very least mod only topics, most have Mod only boards. They can disscuss changes with Jack and the new admin and make desicions without being harrased by members. Its also good for stuff like April fools where they can plan out stuff secretly.
Exactly. It was hard planning the April Fools Joke with ZV and Gamefreak through PM.
Wait, what was the joke this year?
I still think we should put it to a vote.
The "joke" was that Zelda Veteran, Whocares, and myself were going to "switch" profiles, including names, sigs, and avatars to fool everybody.
Unless they viewed our post numbers. I wasn't there, and neither have told me if they went along with it.
We didn't. Neither you or Zelda Veteran were on near the beginning of that day to do the switch.
Can someone put the mod only thing to a vote!? Or give me the okay to?
Let me. It seems I've been making alot of polls. I might as well make one last one.
We don't need it. If the mods need to chat privately, they can use PMs or Gabbly.
I don't use Gabbly. I rather not. And have you ever tried having a PM conversation with 3 or more people? I have, and I rather not ever have to again.
Use some other chatroom then. No point in using up bandwidth.
i still dont think its a good idea.
theres too much room for error.
the only reason i found out about the mod topic on zv's site is because one of the mods told me about it. theres no point in having a secret mod topic if its not secret.
You wouldn't be able to see it even if they gave you a direct link. 8)
I'd actually do wath Evilbob did: Just have them ask your password before they let you in. If you're not a mod, than you aren't let in.
Admins should be able to simply set it so only the membergroup of mods is allowed.
I don't know the limitations of admins, but I doubt they could do that with one specific topic.
Also, JQ, I edited a post to say this about your thing with the warnings topic, though it seems you never saw it:
Quote from: Whocares on June 02, 2007, 11:56:26 AM
Incorrect. It stays. Whether or not I'm a mod, it's been used long enough and is too important to get rid of just because you think because I'm not a mod anymore it shouldn't be. And that reasoning makes no sense.
Edited Part: And I wouldn't do that, I respect Gamefreak and ZV enough and accept I'm not a mod to not do that. And I wouldn't be able to edit that post. It was locked while I was a mod by me, so only a mod would be able to unlock or edit it, so I'd only be able to view the topic.
Well, if its only gonna be one topic, it should just be done with PMs.
As said, try having a PM conversation with more than two people. It's chaos.
And there are times we will need to discuss more than one thing. For example, look at the theories section. all of them are theories, but about different things. This will be a section, one general place to discuss different things that fits in.
Well, you aren't going to be a mod anymore. Just give it up.
In case you forgot to read about 15-20 posts ago, I only did that so I could see your opinions of my actions. (I didn't get the best information, though) And just because I'm not a mod doesn't mean I'll ignore the other four mods (Maggy and whoever the other one is) who will need to discuss something.
Yeah, I read your little thing. Even did an experiment. Turns out if a topics locked, can't edit post.
Quote from: Whocares on June 03, 2007, 03:10:58 PM
As said, try having a PM conversation with more than two people. It's chaos.
Have you tried sending a pm to two or more people at one time? It'd reduce the chaos by a considerable margin.
I did, but they are also sending PMs to you and the other people speaking, so you'd have to answer alot of PMs within just about 10 minutes.
That would be easily avoided if the other mods were also sending pm's to multiple people, that way everyone would know what's going on, as everyone would be able to see everyone else's messages.
I'm afraid I think you don't understand, or you have terrible wording. Let's give an example:
Mod A sends a PM during a message to Mods B, C, and D. Each of them make a responce and send it to each of the other mods. That means each mod has three PMs to reply to. Then each of them make a reply, so then they'd have another 3 added. Then it would happen again, and again, and again, until there'd be too many PMs to answer.
And if what I think is correct, you're telling the mods to, instead of telling their replies to only mods (the only ones who matter in the discussion) to several random member. That is actually making the least bit of sense I've seen thus far on TDC. I could have misunderstood you, however.
Oy. You HAVE misunderstood me. When I say 'other members', you know I was talking about the mods.
And of course, it's not like you have to reply to every pm you recieve.
Yes, when three people send you a message about a topic, just send one reply to all of them.
But htey're sending replies too, so you're still getting several PMs. Plus, one could easily get confused doing this, they won't know what and who someone's talking about.
Then use a chatroom. Something that won't take up bandwidth. Once again, just let the mods worry about themselves, you won't be one anymore and it will no longer be any more of your concern.
As I said, I won't ignore the mods just because I'm not one anymore. I get along well with Gamefreak and Maggy, and I have a feeling I know who the other one will be, especially if Gamefreak picks the other mod. I don't know DW or Evilslayer all to well, but I'm on good terms with them. ZV is a very good friend, too. And I was once a mod, you know, I know how complicated it is and how it changes your opinion of TDC. I'm not ignoring the them or changing my minds on things they deserve.
Well then, how about having Magmarfire post what he thinks, eh?
I'm not going to force someone to do something. I'd prefer if you didn't do that either.
I suppose we're discussing on how to communicate with other mods? If so, then something like a chatroom would be nice. However, I'm not really a chatroom kind of guy, so I guess the closest thing would be to have a mod-only topic, which has also been in dispute.
If the discussion should be secret, we should have it on a hidden board. If it shouldn't be secret, we can start a new topic, lock it, and post from there. That way, the members won't have to be left in the dark regarding certain events. If any member has a question that should be brought up in said discussion, we could have the inquiring member ask a mod to represent him or her in the discussion. Not only would it reduce potential spam, but it would bring a democratic voice to those discussions.
Now, being somebody who's usually late on things like this, what I said has probably already been mentioned. However, I'm not too sure that the representation part has, though.
That was actualy original and brilliant, Maggy. :o
The thing is, is that we don't discuss anything important enough to only keep it between us. All we really ask each other is if a member might deserve a warning and so on.
Really? I thought somebody already mentioned something about using locked threads. ;D
No, I mean combining both ideas.
And actually, this past few months we talked rarely about warnings, mostly about the state of TDC, me quiting, bgrugby, the co-admin, and other things.
But nothing that was so personal that we had to keep it from anyone.
Yeah, but what I'm saying is that using a topic is probably less of a hassle than communication over PMs.
True, it would be a bit more convenient.
I like Magmar's idea, actually. I think mods should be allowed their top-secret area, just so long as it isn't abused. You can discuss other matters in a locked thread where all users can view it, that way we have more of an idea of what the whole situation may be, and if it's something we really feel strongly about, we or a mod can start another thread in which we can talk about it. It's simple, and it reduces internet-revolutions.
But, Whocares....this is really weird.
Quote from: Whocares on June 02, 2007, 10:49:59 AM
You guys never figured out yet I only wanted to do this to see what your opinions of my former modship was yet? I knew I would never get in, but I thought of this as a chance to see just what the public thought of me the past three or four months. Sorry I did this, but I'd have liked to see you be open about it. If I randomly askede people, then they wouldn't be as open as I'd like them to be. It seems the only one who is glad I'm quiting is JQ, the others have mixed opinions.
://// That ain't cool, dude.
Quote from: Violinist on May 20, 2007, 04:48:56 PM
I can only come up with one rule, which is no cloning. Cloning meaning creating double accounts.
But how do we know if someone did that?I thought of oneyou could be able to spam on forum games.
You...umm...you CAN spam on forum games, Midna...
You can tell by the way they post, a lot of people have very distinct ways of posting and tend to repeat it when they switch accounts. We had one person a while ago who made four accounts, but we realized who she was and she left. The evidence usually adds up.
The surefire way to tell is to use the IP address, which tells you what computer they use. If they use the same computer...
Quote from: Bboy on June 03, 2007, 02:40:04 PM
You wouldn't be able to see it even if they gave you a direct link. 8)
its a long story... id rather not go there.
i am still opposed to having a secret mod topic thing.
Not that I'm trying to be pushy or anything, but do you have a reason for your opinion? I'd like to hear it.
because it just dosn't work...
i think those kind of discussions should be for everyone, not just mods.
and people could say secret things that might get out and that would just cause even more arguements...
maybe we could try it for like a week,
and then if people dont like it then we can just get rid of it.
'll actually have to wait about half a year, most of TDC's problems are fixed and one won't just come right up to us and say "Discuss me!".
Who knows? You'd be quite surprised.
Not a major one (basically one like what bgrugby caused)
On the topic of the mod topic thing, maybe Gamefreak should decide(assuming Jack chooses him as the new admin) because Jack is leaving.
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on June 04, 2007, 06:58:11 AM
You...umm...you CAN spam on forum games, Midna...
You can tell by the way they post, a lot of people have very distinct ways of posting and tend to repeat it when they switch accounts. We had one person a while ago who made four accounts, but we realized who she was and she left. The evidence usually adds up.
The surefire way to tell is to use the IP address, which tells you what computer they use. If they use the same computer...
I remember at this one forum, there was a guy, who got banned, but he bought a seperate computer. We could all tell it was him though, because he kept trying to scold us for banning him. And he used ` instead of apostrophese.
I'm going to use the last of my powers I'll use to announce the closing of the poll, because no one's voting in it again basically and because 13 people say yes and 11 say no, so it is barely decided by popular consensus that there should be a mod-only section of the forums.
Still up to Gamefreak.
Popular consensus would have about 50% of the votes, somewhere around that. Of course, however, Gamefreak will be the one who makes the ultimate decision.
What about the Don Don Donnnn c-word.
I'm assuming that you're talking about the word 'crap'. It's ok, as it's just barely considered a swear. Although I don't tolerate swearing in excess, but it by itself is generally ok.
As for the mod only section, I'm working on the Gerudo's Fortress, but I can't find out how to open it to anybody besides me.
That was supposed to be a total secret when I was mod ::)
Never knew what it was, but I did here it being mentioned.
I'm personally against a mod only section. Seeing as how there's not much that we talk about that warrants our own board. Most of our conversations with each other are just asking each other if a warning is in order and other stuff like that.
Yes, we really don't need one. We've never had a huge problem concerning it, and it helps for the members to be able to trust the mods.
Quote from: Col. Roy Mustang on August 01, 2007, 06:59:44 AM
I'm assuming that you're talking about the word 'crap'. It's ok, as it's just barely considered a swear. Although I don't tolerate swearing in excess, but it by itself is generally ok.
I'm not.
You're not what?
Crap isn't the word she's talking about, although I can't think of any...oh...I think she means the one that means...umm...a cooped up avian, there we go.
I suggest that you are allowed to double post if either:
- You are adding something of high importance to the discussion.
- You are bringing back a topic over a month old.
Just forbidding double-posting altogether is inconvinient. I once had to ask Shika to post in a topic from a while ago I wated to bring back because the last post was one of my own.
That's usually been acceptable for a while now if I recall correctly.
All the more reason to make it official, really.
Nah, it's probably better as an unspoken rule.
Making it an official rule might blur the line a bit for newer members who might have differing opinions on what a justifiable double post is.
Here's a rule suggestion. Let's go easy on the drug references. Think of the children.
hmm...
references? What drug references?
*runs off to edit a bajillion posts*
No need to strain your back editing all those posts, I think they just mean, let's just stop from here. After all, there's probably alot near the back of the forum that nobody will probably ever look at.
I suggest that when a moderator (or administrator) gives a warning, they PM the member who has recieved the warning and tell them why.
Eh, no one's really gotten a warning in a long, long time.
But whatever.
In light of recent arguments, might I suggest we ban future and lock existing "Least favorite" or "Things we hate" topics? They seem to do more harm than good.
I'm not sure if that'd be constructive... I think having a topic about things you hate would be fine (for example, I could post about how I hate the post office or asparagus), so long as it doesn't degenerate into personal attacks on members.
Yeah, taking away debates and such is a bad idea.
Quote from: Twilight Wolf on December 19, 2008, 05:07:34 PM
I'm not sure if that'd be constructive... I think having a topic about things you hate would be fine (for example, I could post about how I hate the post office or asparagus), so long as it doesn't degenerate into personal attacks on members.
Yeah, I guess so.
Well, never mind then.