I'm kind of creating this based off MagmarFire's poll. Who do you think is the best villain of all? In games or movies, you decide.
As for me, my favorite falls down to Kefka from FFVI. He had a cool laugh, and a really good motivation for wanting to destroy the world. And having played VI, it seems like a few villains from other Final Fantasys stem from him. Examples that come to my mind are Sephiroth and Vayne.
Nominations
Kefka
Majora's Mask: 2
Vaati: 2
Zant: 2
Hannible Lector
Dr. Nefarious: 2
Emperor Palpatine: 2
Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Drek: 2
Venom
Ganondorf: 2
King
Randall Flagg
Richard Slater
Owner
Sephiroth
Slade
Ganon
Ba'azalamon
Apacolomon
Aganhim
Majora's Mask for the most evil, Vaati for the most villainous, and Zant as the best comedic relief villain.
But that's just me and my silly little villains. ...Sorry they're all from the same Game series, but... eh. >w>;
How about Hannible Lector?
Emperor Palpatine (aka Darth Sidious) from the Star Wars saga.
"Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design." It perfectly sums up the whole thing, doesn't it?
And a comedy vote for Dr. Nefarious. Because he's just so friggin' awesome in so many ways.
I guess since we're adding multiple nominations, I'll go with Darth Vader, and Ultimate Supreme Executive Chairman Drek.
Would Darth Vader really be a villain, though? He was good for roughly half the movie series. XD
To take a quote from Obi-Wan Kenobi.
QuoteYour father was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So what I told you was true—from a certain point of view
I think Cannibles are worse, though. And Mass murderers, evil warlords, lieing dictators, etc.
I'd have to go with venom, he was just such a cool villan
I'd have to say Gannondorf/Gannon & Shego arevthe best villins.
King, the true villian of MAR: Marchen Awakens Romance, depite how Queen Diana and Phantom make more appearances than King.
Okay, my serious vote goes to Emperor Palpatine. I mean, if you watch all the Star Wars movies, he is just so sheerly evil it mkaes me giddy.
For a comedic vote, I vote for Supreme Executive Chairman Drek. He was pretty goofy for a vilian. Like Nefarious, only fleshy.
Both of your nominations have already been nominated, but meh, I'll just put down a second one for them.
Mojo Jojo. Seriously.
Wait is this voting or nominating? If its voting Darth Sidious hands down.
I'm gonna have to say Davey Jones from Pirates of the caribbean, that guy was a demon, literaly, lol.
Erm... I'd say Majora. That's about it. And I second Dosu's nomination.
I nominate Randall Flagg from "The Stand" by Stephen King.
Do yuo mean me, Gamefreak? I'm pretty sure I'm the only MAR fan on TDC.
Quote from: Darth Wyndisis on June 03, 2007, 03:07:36 PM
I nominate Randall Flagg from "The Stand" by Stephen King.
Darn it, I forgot The Stand.
for comic relief, i nominate former member ganon
I nominate Richard Slater from Thr3e by Ted Dekker. I also nominate Owner, from my books, which are still in progress. Slade from Teen Titans ;)(there, I said it) was a pretty good villain to, so I put in my nomination for him, also. How could we forget Sephiroth, from FFVII.
Because Sephy's overrated?
Quote from: Whocares on June 03, 2007, 07:28:07 AM
King, the true villian of MAR: Marchen Awakens Romance, depite how Queen Diana and Phantom make more appearances than King.
Hah, the 'true villain'... You know, to me, what constitutes the real villain, IE: The one that puts a face on the opposite side of the conflict would be the one that appears and has the most development. The King, I doubt you would really be able to respect, because I doubt he had much development, time in the spotlight.
The 'master' behind the shadows means little if his motives and character don't get the chance to develop, so when he shows up late in a work, we already identify the main villain with the one we've been able to get most out of. IE: Darth Vader as apposed to Palpatine of the original Star Wars Trilogy.
You go right ahead an think that(your oppinion on Sephiroth), I'm sure there are many people in this world who think that Sephiroth is a good villian. There are probably over thirty thriving websites devoted to him.
Ba'azalamon. Wheel of Time. Evil. Yo.
Apacolomon(or whatever his name was) from the sesson finaly of sesson one of digimon, I nominate him, too.
Vaati
Ganon
Majora
Zant
Agahnim
For Zelda's sake, I'm saying Ganondorf. For ultra-coolness's sake, I'm also saying either Sephiroth or Zant. For comic relief's sake, I'm SO going with Dr. Nefarious. (When he loses his temper, it's just HILARIOUS!!! :P :P :P )
QuoteBecause Sephy's overrated?
I agree with JQ. In my opinion, Kefka is a better villain. "You all sound like pages from a self help manual!"
Sephiroth was cool, it is Zant who is overrated. He is a big baby. Sure he looks wicked awesome with the helmet, but without it, he is just a washed up usurp king.
My friend Lidya makes a great evil person when we play games.Doesn't she Violinist?
Quote from: Orpheousanew2nd on June 03, 2007, 07:05:54 PM
You go right ahead an think that(your oppinion on Sephiroth), I'm sure there are many people in this world who think that Sephiroth is a good villian. There are probably over thirty thriving websites devoted to him.
Actually, that's proof he's overrated. He has tons of fangirls and fanboys who think he could do anything. He's like Chuck Norris. THAT is overrated.
Zant is NOT overrated. Nobody runs around yelling 'Zant iz 1337est!'
Does having fans make something overrated? If so, they are both overrated. Alot of villians are that were nominated.
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on June 04, 2007, 07:01:47 AM
Zant is NOT overrated. Nobody runs around yelling 'Zant iz 1337est!'
Well, I do. Just because I personally think he's totally awesome. I choose him over Sephiroth, but that's just personal opinion. Everyone's overrated to someone. :3
Oh, and I also nominate Doopliss from Paper Mario II. He was pretty sweet.
yo GF, on the nominations for ganon, it's the member not the character
This topic is actually quite interesting, I don't want it to die yet.
Also.....
QuoteHah, the 'true villain'... You know, to me, what constitutes the real villain, IE: The one that puts a face on the opposite side of the conflict would be the one that appears and has the most development. The King, I doubt you would really be able to respect, because I doubt he had much development, time in the spotlight.
The 'master' behind the shadows means little if his motives and character don't get the chance to develop, so when he shows up late in a work, we already identify the main villain with the one we've been able to get most out of. IE: Darth Vader as apposed to Palpatine of the original Star Wars Trilogy.
You actually haven't heard of the series, so you have little idea about him. King (and King is credited as his name, as there is no official name for him) is the true villain of the series, having warped the minds of Phantom (the no. 1 Knight) and Diana (the Queen), being the true ruler of the Chess Pieces (an evil organization trying to take over MAR Heaven), and far outclassing the Chess Piece Knights (the highest rank under Queen and King) and most of the protagonists. (Only two of them stand an actual chance against him)
And the reason King doesn't get as much screentime as either Diana or Phantom because only two people so much as know about his identity, Diana and himself, and he sees no need for doing anything as long as Phantom is still believed to be the leader of the Chess Pieces. (Few people know about Diana and King's rank as King and Queen) Once Phantom was defeated, however, he revealed himself and killed almost all of the main protagonists, several of their allies, and all but a handful of Chess Pieces ranked below Knight Class, although most of them were revived after his defeat. Compared to most of the characters in the series, he actually is an extremely in-depth character.
can i nominate Seymour from FFX?
I pick Dante from Fullmetal Alchemist or any of the Homonculi- probably Lust though.
Quote from: ~Sessorochikuramaru~ on July 09, 2007, 06:59:13 AM
can i nominate Seymour from FFX?
???You've gotta be kidding....Seymour was one of the worst....
Anyways, I don't really have a favorite villain, they all seem so generic and similar...It's hard to find one that stands out...I suppose Saruman would be okay..
nuh uh Seymour was really cool
Seymour had THE most annoying voice I've ever heard in a villain (except for ones that were attempting to sound strange or annoying, they were actually trying to make him seem evil) THE worst hairstyle and character design, and THE worst aura of evilness. He was more pathetic than intimidating and evil.
Oh yeah, King's powers. Behold! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_89j8zYEzqI&mode=related&search=)
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on July 09, 2007, 09:43:15 AM
Seymour had THE most annoying voice I've ever heard in a villain (except for ones that were attempting to sound strange or annoying, they were actually trying to make him seem evil) THE worst hairstyle and character design, and THE worst aura of evilness. He was more pathetic than intimidating and evil.
i liked his voice.. and everything about him 8)
Quote from: Whocares on July 09, 2007, 05:39:59 AMCompared to most of the characters in the series, he actually is an extremely in-depth character.
In that case, the characters of MAR must be pretty freakin' weak if one of the 'strongest' with development is the final boss and head of the organization that doesn't get screen time or anything. You just proved yourself that he wasn't the face people identified with the villainry, being revealed so late.
In the end, King is like all other ill-contrived 'final bosses' whose motivations and whatever get no development and the point comes out quite tasteless. It is the truth of many other works, not just MAR. I'm making a point on what people make as a psychological link to the face of evil, because chances are, they won't go with someone that's revealed practically at the last minute.
Quote from: ~Sessorochikuramaru~ on July 09, 2007, 04:55:08 PM
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on July 09, 2007, 09:43:15 AM
Seymour had THE most annoying voice I've ever heard in a villain (except for ones that were attempting to sound strange or annoying, they were actually trying to make him seem evil) THE worst hairstyle and character design, and THE worst aura of evilness. He was more pathetic than intimidating and evil.
i liked his voice.. and everything about him 8)
it hapens, most people i know hate FFX-2 and dirge of cerberus but i enjoyed them both
i think kabuto yakushi was a good villan
QuoteIn that case, the characters of MAR must be pretty freakin' weak if one of the 'strongest' with development is the final boss and head of the organization that doesn't get screen time or anything. You just proved yourself that he wasn't the face people identified with the villainry, being revealed so late.
In the end, King is like all other ill-contrived 'final bosses' whose motivations and whatever get no development and the point comes out quite tasteless. It is the truth of many other works, not just MAR. I'm making a point on what people make as a psychological link to the face of evil, because chances are, they won't go with someone that's revealed practically at the last minute.
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Seriously, you only half paid attention to what I said. I never said that all of the characters of MAR are weak, most of the Knights have the power to destroy entire cities single-handedly, although Rapunzel is an obvious exception. I never said he didn't get any screen-time, in fact I DID say he got screen-time. In fact, just about half of the characters only show up for one battle, mabye two, and then disappear to never have any more importance or to even not be shown again. The only truly developed characters are:
Both the manga and the anime: all 8 members of Team MAR, Phantom, Halloween, Rolan, and Ian.
Considering the expanded anime: Ash, Loco, the Princess of Reginlief, and Candice
To an extent developed: King, Diana, Peta, Rapunzel, Pano, Chaton, and Gido
So they you have it, 12 in the manga, 16 in the anime, and another 7 not quite developed yet in both, mostly due to a lack of appearances. Six of the Knights can only be considered developed because they have the rank Knight, and King and Queen, although they have alot of information, only make one or two appearances that actually matter to them as a character. Pano, Chaton, and Gido develope quite nicely considering how they are not Knights or Team MAR members, but still are just barely not developed.
And he wasn't revealed late in the series, more like about volume 3 (although two of the main characters remained oblivious to this until volume 9), his identity wasn't revealed until late in the series. (And his identity was definetly a bigger surprise than there being a King) And his motivations come along nicely too, as it developes bit by bit as the series progresses.
Ok, both of you calm down. It's nothing to get all riled up over.
Huh? Did it look like we were arguing again? I didn't really consider that arguing, especially comparing it to how we argued before. ;)
I think you misintepret what I mean by 'strong'. A character that is 'strong' is NOT someone who can 'level major cities with a cheap deus ex machina', a STRONG character is one who we come to know very well, a person who's figurative dramatic place in a work is something that we've explored thoroughly and whose appearance(s) in the work do not come off as cheap instances of plot devices, but instead flows along the course with great grace and natural spirit.
Dramatic theory is very important, I'm simply making commentary on how somethings seem to be odd and leaves one's suspension of disbelief almost nonexistant. It is a very important thing in any art in which a story is told.
I should consider film or literary critic as a career choice, hmm...
Ovan from .hack//G.U. just because he betrayed you so good and his AIDA arm. Yggdrasil from Tales of Symphonia because he's and angel and had a really good voice. Wiseman from BKO for having the best bad guy voice EVER. Grunty from Banjo-Kazooie for being the comic relief. And Majora for just being Majora.
Okay, I'm just going to end this argument the best way I can: I'm changing my nomination. Mine is now the Akatsuki Leader.
well since Seymour cant be nominated how about Ultros(FFVI) Weiss(FFVII,dirge) or Dark Link
ULTROS! Best comic relief villain in an FF game EVER!
Heehee, hentai joke...
Sephiroth on Kingom Hearts 2.
Hmmm, there is another very great character I would love to nominate, Loco (from MAR), but she later turns into a protagonist, so I'm not really sure if you would call her a villian.
That sort of thing happens a lot. I tend to think of them as 'neutral parties'.
Quote from: Sovelis on July 17, 2007, 12:18:25 PM
Sephiroth on Kingom Hearts 2.
...you DO know he's from FF7, right?
To bring this topic back, I would like to (yet again) replace my nomination with Mayuri Kurotsuchi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayuri_Kurotsuchi), who is high on the list of anime's most sadistic and cruel characters.
Oh him, Herr Doktor.
Wow, I know what that means. It is used in parts of Gemrany and Austria to address male doctors, right?
Especially under Hitler's death squad, the sadistic Doktor death.
How 'bout...
Orochimaru - His voice sounds awesome, and he has awesome eyes, aaaand because... he's... unbeatable?
The Akatsuki Leader - He has a cool voice... uhh... cool eyes...
I can't remember if I voted for anyone... but I don't really care to nominate anyone.
i say RAAM from Gears of war (he killed kim dam him)
I'm going to bring back this topic and change my vote all in one post. I'm changing it to Gin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_%28Case_Closed%29), a major villian in Cased Closed. Gin isn't his real name, just a code name (it's a custom of the Black Organization to have an alcohol drink names as code names).
You'll change it to a-fix any anime you're watching at the moment C_c
I forgot this topic existed. And I'm going to continue living like that.
You can't deny its existence, GF, you just posted in it.
Oh, and I'm siding with Vylanos as 'greatest villain ever'. Don't try to figure out who that is, unless you've read my books.
Zaboorak is the best ever, actually.
Best Villain ever? I wonder who I'd vote for... ::) Actually, Davros is too obvious, so I'd probably go for Derek Jacobi and John Simm's portrayal of The Master. Pure evil and wonderful characterisation in a can. Only time I've ever got emotional over the death of a villain! :-[
Ritsu-sensei from Loveless, I suppose. I... wouldn't say Seimei or Nisei are evil, nor any of the Zeroes. Ritsu = most likely to be considered a villian.