Did anyone else notice that in the cutscene that starts after clearing the last of the twilight... Lanaryu says "It was then that the goddesses called on us three light spirits to intervene."?
I was always under the illusion that there were, you know, four light spirits... Ordana, Faron, Eldin, and Lanaryu.
And there's only three concentrated balls of light in the picture, too.
This is a major spoiler, but...
All three of the lgith spirits have a mask thing. The first three you find are in the dungeons in Faron Woods, Death Mountain, and Lake Hylia. Mifna has the fourth, which belongs to Ordona.
Why, of course, only three were mentioned is beyond me.
Uh, the Fused Shadows didn't belong to the spirits. The were given to those bosses by Zant, as I recall. And Midna has the fourth because she was the Twilight Princess, and Zant presumably got the other ones from the Twilight King.
Quote from: Commodore Egghead on June 06, 2007, 04:43:06 PM
Uh, the Fused Shadows didn't belong to the spirits. The were given to those bosses by Zant, as I recall. And Midna has the fourth because she was the Twilight Princess, and Zant presumably got the other ones from the Twilight King.
No, Zant is tring to get them. That is why hes after Midna. The fused shadows were stored in the temples, but then they possesed things to form the bosses.
Yeah, you're right. What the heck am I talking about? ;)
Well, then why does Midna have the fourth piece then?
Edit: Well, first let's see if I have it right. The usurper dudes were using the Fused Shadows in an attempt to take the Sacred Realm. The gods, angered by this, used the light spirits to banish them to the Twilight Realm. The Shadows were consequently split and hidden in the three temples. That right so far? Midna, somehow, is the owner of the fourth Shadow, and that's what I'm confused about.
In some flashback when they show Midna being turned into her chibi form by Zant, she is seen without her helmet thing, and after a bit she's staring at the helmet/fourth Fused Shadow in greed.
Yeah, but where did she get it from? :-*
I don't remember the scene to well, but wasn't it the ground? So the question should be "How did the fourth piece get there?"
YouTube is great for cutscenes (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6xyNU6_dM7o).
...Wow I love Zant. Anyways, I think that Zant forgot to steal the last one from her. ...Which he ended up doing later after the water temple.
Back on topic, now, though? Please? ;)
Quote from: Fisk on June 07, 2007, 06:03:45 PM
YouTube is great for cutscenes (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6xyNU6_dM7o).
...Wow I love Zant. Anyways, I think that Zant forgot to steal the last one from her. ...Which he ended up doing later after the water temple.
Yeah, that doesn't really explain anything. It just kind of flew out of her hand, which brings us back to the original question of why she had it in the first place.
QuoteBack on topic, now, though? Please? ;)
I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.
Maybe the Interlopers were able to hide it from the Light Spirits.
Quote from: Fisk on June 07, 2007, 06:03:45 PM
YouTube is great for cutscenes (http://youtube.com/watch?v=6xyNU6_dM7o).
...Wow I love Zant. Anyways, I think that Zant forgot to steal the last one from her. ...Which he ended up doing later after the water temple.
N Zant still let her have the one on her head. Nintendo probly didn't feel like making a Midna mode without the helmet that had to have an indepth phisics engine. They only showed her without it in the cutscene where it shows her becoming an imp.
I don't recall an Ordana ever being mentioned. Ordon is a part of Faron...
Faron, Eldin, and Lanayru are the three provinces of Hyrule. Ordon is not in Hyrule. Ergo, Ordon can not be a part of Faron. (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/Commodore_Axilon/Forum%20Crap/teacher.gif)
Eureka (or however you spell it).
Ordona wasn't one of the 3 listed becuase ordona province didn't exist at the time.
Ordona didn't exist in OOT. TP takes place about 300 years after OOT. Since the Twili have obviously been there alot longer than that, and since Ordon seems (to me) to have only been there 50 years at most, the interlopers must have been banished before OOT. My guess they were probly banished 600-1000 years before OOT.
Thus Ordona Province (and the Ordona light spirit) didn't exist and Ordona couldn't have helped Faron, Eldin, and Lanayru banish them.
So Ordona just popped up out of nowhere then? That doesn't make a lot of sense. Also, the idea of a spirit only existing when the area it represents becomes a political one with geographic boundaries seems completely ridiculous.
I'd probably just write the whole thing off as a writer oversight, but if you guys really think it's that important...
Quote from: Commodore HNS on December 02, 2007, 05:51:31 PM
So Ordona just popped up out of nowhere then? That doesn't make a lot of sense. Also, the idea of a spirit only existing when the area it represents becomes a political one with geographic boundaries seems completely ridiculous.
I'd probably just write the whole thing off as a writer oversight, but if you guys really think it's that important...
Since that area was unihabited (and thus didn't need protected) the goddesses didn't need to create a light spirit to protect that area yet.
Where's your proof of time after OoT that TP took place?
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on December 03, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
Since that area was unihabited (and thus didn't need protected) the goddesses didn't need to create a light spirit to protect that area yet.
Assuming that's why the spirits are even there in the first place. They certainly don't do a very good job "protecting' anything or anybody.
And how do you know Ordon was uninhabited before and during OoT?
Good point, Commodore. In OoT, there was never really a mentioning of Ordona anywhere, so I assume that all of Link's adventure then took place in Hyrule alone, outside of the Ordona Province. Or at least that's how I'll hypothesize. Either way, we can't be sure about its population.
Quote from: Commodore HNS on December 04, 2007, 12:25:16 PM
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on December 03, 2007, 04:37:02 PM
Since that area was unihabited (and thus didn't need protected) the goddesses didn't need to create a light spirit to protect that area yet.
And how do you know Ordon was uninhabited before and during OoT?
Becuase if you compare TP and OOTs maps Ordona province is in the middle of lost woods. Thus the village couldn't have been around then.
Is it? Is it really?!
How do you figure this? I would've assumed it'd be somewhere southeast of Lake Hylia. You know, off the map.
Edit: Is it really Ordona and not Ordon? I thought Ordona was the spirit...or is it the other way around?
Ordona is the Goddess, Ordon is the province.
I shall leave now. But just so you know....
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So play nice, you two...Five, I mean. Or six...somewhere around there...whatever, bye.
Nah, I think Shad called the province "Ordona" when Link was trying to get to the castle to save Midna. I think Ordon is the village within Ordona. I could be wrong, though... I might've forgotten to look at the map to see if both variations of the province name are consistent with what Shad called it...
Quote from: SNH on December 04, 2007, 10:48:12 PM
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I think the operative word here is "Pwned".
Anyway...
Ordon=Village
Ordona=Province/Spirit
Wow, think if Ordona is in Termina. Nah, just kidding.
Anyway. I remember at the end, when the Spirits gave Zelda the Light Arrows, that they WERE four. :-\ I could be wrong thought. I havent played TP in 2 months ::)
Due to my extensive studies, it is safe to assume that OoT Hyrule is NOT the same Hyrule. Or at least not the Hyrule that is on the map.
Now as for the Light Spirits, it could be that there was a short war with the interlopers, and the Light Spirits, and the Goddesses need a fourth Light Spirit to defend the province although this doesn't make much sense seeing as how the Desert Province and the Snowpeak Province ( can't remember their names ) don't have their respective Light Spirits, or any active Light Spirits.
Or it is possible that the Ordonian Light Spirit is a fairly new spirit, created by the Goddesses to protect the Hero of Twilight ( I figured that's what he'd be called, correct me on this ).
I think that nintendo just made a mistake there and were like "oops, we forgot...there are four light spirits!" Because I theorize that the light spirits not only protect Hyrule, they protect the entire world. This is what I think: Ordona protects the southern part of the world(because of it being the southernmost spirit), Faron protects the northern part(because it is the spirit located in the most northern direction), Eldin protects the eastern part and Lanayru protects the western part(for reasons obviously noticed). An arguement to this theory is that the two other provinces, desert and peak, are not part of the others. Howerver, I think that they are, because if they weren't you would have to restore the light in each of them as well. I mean, why would Zant just leave them out? Another argument may be that Faron province is not located fully up north. However, I think that Faron province and Lanayru province overlap, but with Lanayru taking the name of that particular northern area.
In conclusion, the light spirits are guardians of the world, not just Hyrule. So of course all four light spirits would appear to stop a threat to not only Hyrule, but the entire WORLD. Plus I am positive that they have been around since the creation of the Triforce.
Quote from: JoeLink on January 19, 2009, 06:09:50 AM
An arguement to this theory is that the two other provinces, desert and peak, are not part of the others. Howerver, I think that they are, because if they weren't you would have to restore the light in each of them as well. I mean, why would Zant just leave them out?
Possibly because they're such backwater places in the game that it wouldn't really seem to matter if those provinces were covered in twilight or not. It
would be a bit of a time saver on his part. But of course, there's always the possibility that he had a motive for those areas, too, especially since one of them houses the Mirror of Twilight--and other motives that we don't really know about.
So yeah, why not? ^^;
Well, Ordona stated "the blight will not stop with Hyrule. Soon the entire world of light will fall into the hands of the king who rules the twilight." So I don't see any reason why Zant would leave those two provinces out. Also, I think the provinces are just named after the spirits by the people who live there, not necessarily meaning the whole area is guarded by that particular light spirit. Also another province nearby could be protected by the same light spirit in that compass direction. But then again, Faron was restored, and the north was still in twilight.
Oh, but I just remembered that I said I believed that some of the provinces overlap. Plus the twilight slowly expands. So whos to say it couldn't creep into another, already restored province. :-\
Eh, maybe the two provinces were lower on his priority list but would come back to those later. ;)
That would be assuming that they weren't covered in twilight to begin with, though, and I'm not at all turned off by the possibility. I mean, it wouldn't seem to me that twilight is picky about political borders, so it certainly wouldn't stop there.
I think that a Light Spirit only has the power to purge the twilight so much before it can't extend further. That's why the twilight was just at the end of Ordona: it was as far as the LS could protect the area.
So that means that Twilight was probably expanding to other areas as well, and we really have no evidence that the othe provinces are not engulfed in Twilight, after all, nobody notices when it comes.
QuoteI think that nintendo just made a mistake there and were like "oops, we forgot...there are four light spirits!"
You know how long TP was in development? No way they'd make an oversight like that.
I think he meant the series overall. Like, Nintendo knew the first game was going to be a hit, so they planned the next ten games out before the first one was even released.
You know, that is not completely implausible, I mean, I don't think they knew how far the consoles would go; but hey might have had a vague idea of how they would evetually be able to mae more cmplex stories involving the initial three main characters (Link, the Old Guy and Dodongo)
Then why does it take so long for the games to come out? :(
They could plan the stories and whatnot, but do you know how much effort it takes to make a game? You have to have overall planning, programming, artistry, music, and much more. And with how technology changes, you can't really expect a TP-esque game around the time period of, say, ALttP.
Are you kidding ALttP Was just as epic as TP! It has to be one of the most epic 2d games- No scratch that the most epic 2d game ever.
There's no denying that. But compare the amount of work that goes into them. 3D rendering is MUCH harder than 2D, among many, many other things.
Yeah. Still I think that the only game better than ALttP is OoT.
Quote from: linkdragon0 on January 22, 2009, 02:46:24 PM
Are you kidding ALttP Was just as epic as TP! It has to be one of the most epic 2d games- No scratch that the most epic 2d game ever.
That wasn't what he was saying. Mags was saying that a game like TP would have been near impossible to create with the technology they had back when they created ALttP.
Oh. I thought he was comparing them.