Now we make war against all the Naruto crap! Now we stand up and show how much greater quality there was in the elder days!
Who's with me?!
Neon
Genesis
Evangelion!!!!!!!
im not with you for once man
Lol. Yay Orochimaru-sama!! :D
Did I just agree with Orochimaru? :-[
indeed you did
Dude... i can just imagine you saying that in your awesome voice. :-[ EH?! Did I just say your voice was awesome?
indeed you did
Ehh!! I'm so glad there's a forum where you can spam...
I'm so glad I haven't shot myself yet.
Not having ever watched Neon Genesis Evangelion I can't really say anything about it, obviously. But I agree with your general sentiment.
I say, good show, sir.
Edit: Apparently obscure animu rules j00!
Quit bashing out on Naruto. Its a good anime, but it does have a large majority of anime fans in America BECAUSE Everything made by 4KIDS sucks, Bleach is on Adult Swim, MAR and Prince of Tennis are new to the American anime, Kenshin isn't even shown anymore, and Yugioh is for little kids. Older animes aren't shown anymore either. Neither is the Dragon Ball series, including Dragon Ball Z and others.
I never watched Neon Genesis Evangelion. But... I'll attack with Loveless.
HAH! Does it matter what's shown today? You have to find them yourself in order to experience the true classics of anime, like NGE and Escaflowne.
Passions for NGE ran extremely high, especially at the end of the anime. The creator recieved a LOT of death threats because of how he made the ending out to be... shows how much people cared about it so as to threaten murder.
Actually, by removing any competition one has a greater chance. With all the other good ones not being shown or being shown late, are new, or are 4KIDS, then Naruto had a much greater chance.
Fine, half of my signature and stuff is Bleach, the other Naruto. I'm sorry my picture of Kisuke sucks, but it was really tiny. And I couldn't find one very good.
Quote from: Whocares on June 09, 2007, 08:32:58 AM
Quit bashing out on Naruto. Its a good anime, but it does have a large majority of anime fans in America BECAUSE Everything made by 4KIDS sucks, Bleach is on Adult Swim, MAR and Prince of Tennis are new to the American anime, Kenshin isn't even shown anymore, and Yugioh is for little kids. Older animes aren't shown anymore either. Neither is the Dragon Ball series, including Dragon Ball Z and others.
hry man i still watch yu gi oh in the morning
Ummm, naything made by 4KIDS is made for people in the 6-10 years old area. Even if you do enjoy watching it, they still make it for younger viewers.
yea GX is on in the morning, i still find it entertaining even though its demon spawn
It has one of the most annoying catchphrases though, and WAY too many special abilities for the monsters.
I wish more poeple were a fan of Bleach. It surpasses Naruto by far.
Quote from: Orochimaru on June 09, 2007, 09:14:34 AM
Quote from: Whocares on June 09, 2007, 08:32:58 AM
Quit bashing out on Naruto. Its a good anime, but it does have a large majority of anime fans in America BECAUSE Everything made by 4KIDS sucks, Bleach is on Adult Swim, MAR and Prince of Tennis are new to the American anime, Kenshin isn't even shown anymore, and Yugioh is for little kids. Older animes aren't shown anymore either. Neither is the Dragon Ball series, including Dragon Ball Z and others.
hry man i still watch yu gi oh in the morning
Lol. :D
QuoteI wish more poeple were a fan of Bleach. It surpasses Naruto by far.
I keep thinking this guy: (http://uqac.ca/anime/images/series/bleach.png) is Kyo: (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/FB_kyo.jpg)
I think this should be locked. It may lead to an argument.
No, nobody's going to start flaming over Anime. This doesn't need to be locked, it's a play fight.
Quoteit's a play fight.
Quoting from
Robot Chicken George W. Bush:
Does that mean I have the force?!
I only say Naruto is best, because I can watch it without subtitles.
I'm George W. Bush, and I approve this message:
TACOS RULE!
>.>
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QuoteI only say Naruto is best, because I can watch it without subtitles.
Wha~! That's amazing!! :D
Bleach is on just a few hours after Naruto, at 11:30, Sasuke. It's already too deep in the series for you to know what's going on, but you should still watch it anyway.
My parents don't let me watch tv or do anything besides reading after 11. :-* They say other things aren't restfull enough.
Too bad, it's really good.
Record it!! :D Then you can watch it.
More people need to watch Loveless, to me. I'm not a big fan of either Naruto or Bleach. I'll watch it if it's on, but... Eh, otherwise, I'll just sort of watch cooking channels.
I don't want a full out anime war to start. That would be silly.
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on June 09, 2007, 11:06:46 AM
It has one of the most annoying catchphrases though, and WAY too many special abilities for the monsters.
actually all the abilities are accurate to the actual cards
Eh? I got a Gaara card... I still have to read it. XDDD Ooh pretty sparkles... :P
Quote from: Whocares on June 09, 2007, 08:39:20 AM
Actually, by removing any competition one has a greater chance. With all the other good ones not being shown or being shown late, are new, or are 4KIDS, then Naruto had a much greater chance.
Naruto is crap. Why, in the old days, we didn't have to watch anime that was hundreds of episodes in length. We were just fine with 26 episodes and we would be familiar and know all the characters well enough for them to remain truly memorable!
The characters in NGE are quite messed up... But I think that helps you realize and relate with them better, because they're actually suffering, becoming shattered, disillusioned... suicidal.
Quote from: Gendo Ikari on June 09, 2007, 07:16:48 PM
Naruto is crap. Why, in the old days, we didn't have to watch anime that was hundreds of episodes in length. We were just fine with 26 episodes and we would be familiar and know all the characters well enough for them to remain truly memorable!
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it took me awhile to get that joke...
It took me about 2 seconds.
Wow, JQ, that was an own. :P
And if the only reason you hate Naruto is because it is over 26 episodes, then I have no reason for even arguing with you about Naruto, because you're simply hating it for being long and having an in depth plot.
And wait, aren't you a fan of Bleach, which is also over 26 episodes?
Read: I DO NOT WATCH BLEACH!
I read the manga, and that's that. No need to go for something that's little more than a carbon copy.
ANd besides, Naruto = drawn-out plot, not in-depth. If you want in-depth, you should try a compressed anime that has so much stuff going on in so little time, you'll have trouble figuring out what happened. Animes with a challenge are pretty good!
No, Naruto does have an in depth plot, you only assume it doesn't because it is longer than the animes you like. There are alot of unanswered questions in the series (Itachi and Kabuto's goals, the identity of the akatsuki Leader, the history of Yondaime, etc.), and there is a large number of protagonists (Akatsuki, Orochimaru and Kabuto, Gato Syndicate, etc.). Naruto has a small yet in depth past for most of the characters (Tenten, being useless, is an exception) and each are given very distinctive personalities. There are many things that give the characters goals, and the plot usually switches from one thing to another, which leaves a mystery as to what's happening somewhere else.
'Mystery' as in, goes un-developped. If something is in mystery, then it has not yet been developped so the character can be really fleshed out. He just remains in the shadows and...
You realize of course, with an anime with so many characters, there allows for little full fleshed character development for some of the more 'mysterious' characters.
Might I redirect your attention to a character with only a few appearances named Itachi Uchiha, who remains almost entirely a mystery. His goals, personality, and the full extent to his abilities are unknown, although his history has been deeply discovered.
Another minor character, the Akatsuki Leader, has had a handful of appearances so far as a hologram and a real one where we saw the lower half of his face. Only one of those hologram appearances actually count because during the rest he was simply being there doing leader stuff, the only one that counts being when he explained the goals of Akatsuki to the newest members Hidan and Tobi.
Hey, why don't YOU try to watch something that's less than 100 episodes? If his motivations and why he is are unknown or a mystery, then who he is as a person goes undevelopped. What's his place in the overall plot? People like that are picked up for atmosphere, but just as easily become forgotten.
Hehe, trust me, Itachi is anything but forgotten.
Itachi's one of the main protagonists of the series, but besides his history and general fighting style we know very little about him. His younger brother, Sasuke, is always trying to improve so he can kill Itachi, so much so he went to Orochimaru to gain power, even knowing that Orochimaru was just going to use Sasuke as his next body. Even the closest person to Itachi, his partner Kisame, doesn't seem to know his goals. Even currently he's being chased by just about everyone opposing him (Sasuke, Naruto, etc.).
And I have, in case you forgot, MAR. Fillers don't count, so that removes about 30 episodes.
I'm not going to say anything about Naruto or Bleach or anything, but... Loveless is mysterious. It's a whole twelve episodes. I still have no idea what's going on. The characters are well-developed, but they're still mysterious.
So, character development can happen while being mysterious. A show can be short and good, long and good, medium and good... it's all about what your preferences are. I'm not going to say anything like "LULZ NARUTARDS SUX BCOZ THE SHOW IS LONG" or "THERE IZ NO DEVELOPMENT LULZ" because it's all opinionated.
And, for example:
We know about Seimei's death, family, fighter unit, how he's obsessive compulsive, etc., but we don't actually know much about him.
It's a way of building suspense and developing other characters.
I do admit Loveless is mysterious, but the series ended in a way that leaves too many questions and possibly suggests a sequal once the manga is far enough away.
The anime makes more sense once you've read the manga. There's a lot of internal conflict in a lot of characters, they couldn't fit it into the series very well, and so they omitted it, causing it to be confusing.
Heh, I wouldn't count them mysterious for your part on Loveless, just difficult to really piece together. But that's why I prefer Short stuff over long stuff, it provides more experimentation with how the show develops.
Boogiepop Phantom is 12 episodes, and the whole thing is filled with mystery, suspense, and weirdness, violence... But the thing is, the mystery is part of the atmosphere as a whole, while in many others, what is 'mysterious' is used primarily as a plot device, rather than as an aesthetic device.
Another example: Serial Experiments Lain.
What's important in an anime, to me, is atmosphere. Mainly because it creates a unique feeling, especially with the weirder and darker atmospheres... So sometimes you don't know what's going on, but the subtle effects, with overcast lighting and unique points of view are quite beautiful.
Boogiepop Phantom, up until the last episode was shown with a Vignette effect, with grey and browner tones, as opposed to lighter and more colorful hues. The effect it created was that the whole thing had a unique presentation, giving morbid and psychological development to the characters. The main thing it revolved around was flashbacks, and as a result, many of the events are told out of sequence, sometimes without us even realizing it. Also, many of the episodes just focus on the viewpoint of one character, each episode revolving around a different character. So it creates a very memorable and beautiful effect.
The thing about anime/mangas today is that very few of them are truly 'unique'. They all revolve around the basic Shonen plot of a young boy as a main character going on an adventure with many others tagging along, usually with a subtext of missing/dead father or mother as motivation.
Experimental anime is a very fresh vacation from what has become an increasingly stale genre.
That was so big I actually skipped some of it.