What's your current/hall of fame team in Pokemon Diamond/Pearl?
(Pokemon name, nickname if you want to say it, lvl, gender, moves)
I'll post mine when I get home (I'm at computer summer school right now so I don't have my DS with me)
(No, I am not stupid and failed computers last year. I am getting ahead on classes for next year.)
Just curious since all these Pokemon sigs are popping up.
Well, I don't have have Diamon or Pearl, BUT for the sake of discussing Pokemon, can I say my LeafGreen/Ruby teams?
sure, why not?
Rinku, that was a one-worder. That's warnable around here, so please make your posts longer.
Anyway, I, too, don't have Diamond/Pearl, but I do have Ruby. I think I have a Groudon, a Rayquaza, a Sceptile, Linoone (sp?), and a Latios in my party right now. If only I could use all of them in the Battle Tower. Ah, well.
You shouldn't use so many legendaries in your team. Try putting in a Claydol, Medichan, Metagross, OOH! or SLaking! Slaking can BURN! Highest attack power from a non-legendary pokemon of all time and third highest overall. His defense and HP aren't too shabby either; they pretty much rival the powerhouse that is/was Snorlax!
Quote from: MagmarFire on June 21, 2007, 09:33:15 AM
Rinku, that was a one-worder. That's warnable around here, so please make your posts longer.
Anyway, I, too, don't have Diamond/Pearl, but I do have Ruby. I think I have a Groudon, a Rayquaza, a Sceptile, Linoone (sp?), and a Latios in my party right now. If only I could use all of them in the Battle Tower. Ah, well.
Sure+why+not = 3 words. But i get what you're saying.
As many have said, no D/P for me. I'll just post all my teams.
Ruby: I restarted, no good party as of now.
Sapphire: (only five, sorry. XD)
Squirt (Marshtomp) lv. 19 male (Mudshot, ??, ??, Tackle)
Aero (Golbat) lv. 21 male (?? (I forgot his moveset))
Ralis (Kirlia) lv. 20 female (Confusion, Teleport, ??, ??) (I named him before TP came out, by the way. I just replaced the "t" in Ralts.)
Gastro (Gulpin) lv. 18 male (?? (I forgot his moveset, too...))
Aryllis (Taillow) lv. 20 female (Quick attack, Wing attack, Peck, Focus Energy)
Emerald:
Rue (Rayquaza) lv. 100 (Fly, Thunderbolt, Outrage, Crunch(?? I think))
Solace (Absol) lv. 78 female (Slash, Water Pulse, Bite, Perish Song)
Kisskiss (Houndoom) lv. 75 male (Crunch, Flamethrower, Return, Smog)
Deadwing (Latios) lv. 70 male (Dragon Claw, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam)
Jenova (Linoone) lv. 70 female (Surf, Slash, Headbutt, Shadow Ball)
6th slot: Changes.
FireRed
Stopsign (Arcanine) lv. 49 male (Extremespeed, Take Down, Flame Wheel, Flamethrower)
Clam (Wartortle) lv. 39 male (Protect, Bite, Surf, Toxic)
?? (I...forgot the rest of my party.)
LeafGreen
Kite (Ninetales) lv. 50 male (Flamethrower, Confuse Ray, Will-o-Wisp, Sunny Day)
Livia (Shiny!Pidgeot) lv. 46 female (Fly, Feather Dance, Quick Attack, Steel Wing)
MR. NIDO (traded Nidoking) lv. 47 male (Surf, Double Kick, Horn Attack, Poison Sting)
Rutela (Lapras) lv. 40 female (Perish Song, Ice Beam, Surf, Body Slam)
Quill (Vaporeon) lv. 49 male (Bite, Surf, Aurora Beam, return)
6th Slot: Changes
Uh... that's pretty much it.
Quote from: Gendo Ikari on June 21, 2007, 09:49:31 AM
You shouldn't use so many legendaries in your team. Try putting in a Claydol, Medichan, Metagross...
Yeah, you're right. When I feel up to playing it some more, I'll try to remember to train those...assuming that they're not over Level 50 already. Thanks for the tip, man. ;)
My Diamond team, with imports from Emerald and FireRed.
Lvl 75 Dragonite Multi-Elemental from FireRed. My main pokemon that I use
Dragon Claw
Ice Beam
Thunderbolt
Flamethrower
I'll only say my Dragonites attacks
Lvl 70 Blaziken from Emerald
Lvl 80 Rayquaza from Emerald(Only use it for fly)
Level 72 Infernape from Diamond
Lvl 68 Metagross from Emerald
Lvl 65 Garchomp (Diamond/Pearl's Dragon)
To sub my Rayquaza I use my Lvl 100 Charizard from FireRed.
I can't remember exactly but my Pearl team is something along the lines of:
Empoleon
Rapidash
Palkia
Staraptor
Riolu (Levelling up)
I can't remember my other..
Okay I somehow managed to beat the elite four with the wimpiest team ever. Here it goes: (Yes, call me a noob.)
Enma (INFERNAPE) lvl 55, male. Flame Wheel, Close Combat, Flamethrower, Rock Climb.
Sen (SKUNTANK) lvl 51, female. Night Slash, Flamethrower, Dark Pulse, Defog.
Temari (LUMINEON) lvl 51, female. Waterfall, Surf, Whirlpool, Aqua Ring.
Raiga (RAICHU) lvl 54, male. Strength, Thunderbolt, Thunder, Rock Smash.
Chidori (STARAPTOR) lvl 53, female. Close Combat, Brave Bird, Aerial Ace, Fly.
Konohai (ROSERADE) lvl 53, male. Petal Dance, Cut, Synthesis, Grass Knot.
Pardon me for the 5/6 Naruto references. I honestly couldn't think of better fitting names at the time, and am in no mood to change them. By the way, anyone want to list their contest pokemon info? My Lumineon is my beauty champion so I've been planting berries for poffins like crazy. If my sister hadn't messed with all my other Pokemon games I would list their teams too (Oh, Raiga #1 (a blue version raichu) how I miss thee!!!!)
Usually after I beat a Pokemon game I start new teams. Example: I just hatched, caught, raised, etc about 20 eevees, picked the personalities I liked, and have evolved them all. Now that there's 7 eevees I can't have them all at once :-* so tell me what you guys think about my eevee team and if I should switch them:
Roy (FLAREON) lvl 20
Patsu (LEAFEON) lvl 28
Riza (GLACEON) lvl 31
Shikamaru (UMBREON) lvl 24
Erurikku (JOLTEON) lvl 29
Markl (EEVEE, soon to be ESPEON) lvl 30.
*see, only 1/6 Naruto, 3/6 Fullmetal Alchemist, and 2/6 Miyazaki movies references this time* ;)
By the way, out of about 20 eevees only one turned out to be a girl! Is this just my bad luck or is it more common for male eevees?
Evee's male:female ratio is like... 83.5%:17.5% (As are all the starters; and those pokemon only....). So no, it's not your luck.
Though I do manage to get female everything on my games. .w. ...
I think you should go:
Espeon
Vaporeon
Umbreon
Jolteon
Flareon
Eevee.
Nice, well rounded, etc.
Lets see...
LeafGreen:
Espeon lv 60 Male
Blastoise lv 60 Male
Charizard lv 60 Male
Dragonite lv 60 Male
Articuno lv 60 Genderless
Raikou lv 60 Genderless
Quote from: Fisk on June 21, 2007, 10:43:12 AM
As many have said, no D/P for me. I'll just post all my teams.
Ruby: I restarted, no good party as of now.
Sapphire: (only five, sorry. XD)
Squirt (Marshtomp) lv. 19 male (Mudshot, ??, ??, Tackle)
Aero (Golbat) lv. 21 male (?? (I forgot his moveset))
Ralis (Kirlia) lv. 20 female (Confusion, Teleport, ??, ??) (I named him before TP came out, by the way. I just replaced the "t" in Ralts.)
Gastro (Gulpin) lv. 18 male (?? (I forgot his moveset, too...))
Aryllis (Taillow) lv. 20 female (Quick attack, Wing attack, Peck, Focus Energy)
Emerald:
Rue (Rayquaza) lv. 100 (Fly, Thunderbolt, Outrage, Crunch(?? I think))
Solace (Absol) lv. 78 female (Slash, Water Pulse, Bite, Perish Song)
Kisskiss (Houndoom) lv. 75 male (Crunch, Flamethrower, Return, Smog)
Deadwing (Latios) lv. 70 male (Dragon Claw, Psychic, Thunderbolt, Ice Beam)
Jenova (Linoone) lv. 70 female (Surf, Slash, Headbutt, Shadow Ball)
6th slot: Changes.
FireRed
Stopsign (Arcanine) lv. 49 male (Extremespeed, Take Down, Flame Wheel, Flamethrower)
Clam (Wartortle) lv. 39 male (Protect, Bite, Surf, Toxic)
?? (I...forgot the rest of my party.)
LeafGreen
Kite (Ninetales) lv. 50 male (Flamethrower, Confuse Ray, Will-o-Wisp, Sunny Day)
Livia (Shiny!Pidgeot) lv. 46 female (Fly, Feather Dance, Quick Attack, Steel Wing)
MR. NIDO (traded Nidoking) lv. 47 male (Surf, Double Kick, Horn Attack, Poison Sting)
Rutela (Lapras) lv. 40 female (Perish Song, Ice Beam, Surf, Body Slam)
Quill (Vaporeon) lv. 49 male (Bite, Surf, Aurora Beam, return)
6th Slot: Changes
Uh... that's pretty much it.
Marshtomp. <3
Sorry, I have an obsession with the forms of Mudkip. :3
I'll check my teams later. I've swapped in between them, so its all messed up.
MUdkip obssession? Join the club. :D
So, I hear you liek mudkips?
Anyways, my Dragonite's the pride and joy of my team. It can cover most types of pokemon with all of his elemental attacks
I really should start playing Pearl again.
I ran outta room on my water box though because I filled it up with woopers.
I Love woopers.
and marril, I have about 10 marrils and 25 woopers, and a bunch of quagsires. I don't even know if I spelt their names right, oh well.
I have a box full of Pikachu. I was trying to get a light ball from one so I could get a Volt Tackle Pichu. Now I give them away for prizes.
Jaxx: -caught Regigigas-
Fisk: ... Good job! Here's a Pikachu! >w>
well, I may be a generation behind, but I have a Dragonite as well. He knows... Outrage, Twister, Dragon Claw, and Hyper Beam. I thought it'd be a good idea to capitalize on the Dragon-type, hence I have 3 dragon type moves.
Oh, and I have a Minun in Ruby on level 55. Don't ask why I decided to train a Minun so much, the answer is illogical considering hes so weak. Three of his stats have not even come close to breaking 100 yet (but his speed is 169).
I TOLD you you should have caught Manectric, or maybe Magneton.
:P :P You did, didnt you? Well, I felt like being extremely unorthodox and geting a stupid tiny Minun thing to be my electric type. However, he's getting moved out in place of Glalie, whom I might add, is 13 levels lower and has all his stats higher.
Glalie is ice. but what about electric? Need something for the pesky water type.
Well, I have flying covered... and water is weak against grass, right? I think I'll squeeze a grass type in. Either that or I'll just disregard that and rough it with a water pokemon on occasion.
Almost all the grass types of the third generation are crap. You need electric, better idea. Get Lanturn. He should be available... Solid for variety if you're up against a grounder, at least for a second or so.
That's why I made my Dragonite an elemental attacker. He can cover most types of pokemon, including his weaknesses.
Also, Hyper Beam is a bad move.
Mainly because it leaves you vulnerable after one use. It's good for someone like Slaking that'll give the other guy a ONE HIT KNOCKOUT!
I like to have a sweeper. I also like those three elemental attacks because of the small opportunity to leave a status ailment. I might switch Dragon Claw with Earthquake though.
Mm, does anyone else have annoyers? My Boo(Ivysaur) is the perfect annoyer. Leech Seed, Toxic, etc...
Chansey and Blissey are the perfect annoyers. I hate them so much.
I had this clefairy in Fire Red. MEGA-SUPER PERFECT ANNOYER. It knew I think, sand attack, sing, substitute, and fury swipes. Seems pretty weak right? Nope. Sing, sand attack, repeat step two until awakened, sing, if it doesn't work, substitute, sing, sand attack until awakens, repeat proccess until it has no accuracy, then fury swipes. It has to be very lucky to be awake and then still make contact despite the low accuracy and substitute.
I have a Skarmory with Toxic, Drill Peck, Steel Wing, and... some other move. Fly, I think.
Anyways, I love to use it, it's hard to kill.
I remember my perfect team, on my first Ruby( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( NEVER GO TO PERKINS, THEY STEAL GAMES), Swapert(ftw), Skarmory, Agron, Mightyena, Gyarados, and some electric type I can't remember, and I think I sometimes swapped out for a Torkoal, but it mighta been a different fire type.
Swampert was easily the best starter for R/S/E. It was Water/Ground if I remember correctly, making it immune to it's primary weakness, lightning. However, it became weaker to Grass types.
HAH! Blazekin was KING! That thing could easily withstand an earthquake, a feat for a LOT of fire types (Except for Charizard...)
I believe there's another pokemon that's Water/Ground. I think it was Quagmire.
Anyway, if a rock type came out, use SKY UPPERCUT! If a grounder came out, use SKY UPPERCUT! If some weak guy came out and had some time to buy, use that special move that doubles attack AND defense. (Well, not double, just increase)
Yeah, Blaziken was ok, so I got it in Emerald.
I usually prefer the fire starter above all else when I'm starting the game, but Blaziken's Fire/Fighting setup created more problems than it solved.
*scoffs* says you. Medichan and Blaziken FTW! And besides, combo pokemon can do wonders. I know it's not perfect, but it can do quite a bit of damage... And Swampert is overused.
No, you see, Blaziken was weak against psychic., This was a significant disadvantage. I agree with Gamefreak, Blaziken's double type created many more issues than it solved.
And, with Swampert, he was doubl weak to grass and weak to Ice becuase of his types.
And I think we can all agree that Sceptile sucked.
Well, I chose Sceptile as my starter in Ruby. I don't think he sucks. ;)
BAH! Who cares about psychics? You don't need to worry about them. Just switch Blaziken out and... Send out...
METAGROSS! GO1
Who cares about the psychic type? Bah... I am really getting sick of not being able to use a certain type of pokemon because ZOMG WTF!!11111111111 PSYCHICS PWN J00000000000000!!!!!11111111111
Blaziken is a life-saver in the Elite Four, so is Swampert. Though I do like Blaziken more, I don't have to train another fighting type. Swampert has the Ground/Water slots filled, but I like to use Aggron and Walrein instead.
Sceptile is cool, but grass types aren't really all that great. Mine was a life-saver in Emerald, though. The final battle is water type almost exclusively.
Grass types suck cause they are weak against:
Ice, Flying, Fire, and sometimes Psychic if they are half poison. Not to mention they usually have a very bad move set.
Well yeah, grass types suck. Sceptile had the worst stats... But I love lizards, so... :3; (then again, mudskippers and Chickens are also high on my list of awesomeness.) Oh, and chickens eat lizards, and lizards eat fish (sometimes), so it's sort of like the food chain with the starters. I'm sure there's a fish that eats chickens... >w>
How about a SHARK?
Not just a shark, there's countless other fish that would gladly make a meal out of a chicken. Of course, it would eat lizards too and destroy what I just said about the food chain with pokermans.
:-X :-X
Oh boy... BACK ON TOPIC, FELLAS!
Well, grass types aren't so bad, it's just... Well... Ahem... yeah they suck. BUT! They can be quite useful as annoyers, with all their status moves like stun spore, Toxic, and I think there's a confusion move in there somewhere...
Petal dance is the only really good offensive grass move I can think of...
But... yes, back on the subject of pokemon teams:
I have an Aggron level 58 on Emerald. He's awesome... I love steel types.
I think you'll really like Metagross, but he needs some better moves... Iron Claw just does not cut it for best Steel type attack.
Metagross= god.
Mine knows Psychic, Confusion, Metal Claw, and Meteor Mash. He is GODLY.
Oh yeah! I forgot about meteor mash and Metal Claw. YES, he IS godly!
I think there was a defense increasing move in there too, somewhere...
Iron Defense. Excellent move, but it had to be eliminated.
*scoffs* You don't need confusion, you should have just ONE attack of each type for a pokemon, not two, or three. You just need Psychic, Iron Defense, Meteor Mash, and another move. It helps you out when you're in asticky situation if you have a little something called VARIETY.
Variety. Maybe so, but then you cant capitalized on the types of said pokemon. There is this little thing called Sp. Atk. If you capitalize on move pertaining to the type of said pokemon, they are stronger due to Sp. Atk.
Sp. attack raises Special type moves, Attack raises physical moves.
Special: Psychic, Ghost, Water, Fire, etc.
Physical: Normal, Fighting, Grass, etc.
They changed it in D/P, though. More on the actual move. Ice punch, thunder punch, fire punch are all physical attacks.
Personally, I like high speed or defense more than attack. Nothing more irritating than the enemy barely getting damage into you. ;D
It's all a matter of favourites, though.
I recall my team on Silver....
Typhlosion
Snorlax
Kadabra
Amphrados
Gyarados
(insert whatever one I feel like; usually Togetic)
We kicked butt SO hard..
Togetic and Snorlax, huh? Sounds like an interesting team... but why did you choose them?
A pokemon only needs one powerful attack of it's home type or types if it's a combo. The rest of the move slots can be used for other things like annoyers. How high attack and special attack have nothing to do with how many attacks you have, you really only need One attack per type in a pokemon's move arsenal.
Quote from: PokéKey on June 26, 2007, 11:50:27 AM
Togetic and Snorlax, huh? Sounds like an interesting team... but why did you choose them?
Snorlax is a tank. :)He could take so many hits. I would basically use him to take the powerful attacks, then use sleep and snore. Awesome combo.
Togetic was a good backup because she had fairly strong moves (Steel Wing, Return, and Metronome) and no real big weaknesses. When my others were hurt and the opposition isn't too bad, I pulled her out.
Yeah, Snorlax is one of my favorite tanks.
Question: Who would you pick, Snorlax or Slaking? Thye both have very... er.. "tank-like" qualities.
Snorlax. It doesn't have the annoying "truant" ability... plus, it takes less damage from fire & ice attacks.
Not to mention Snorlax dosnt clack off every few turns like Slaking.
I'd probably pick Snorlax. Slaking's special ability (assuming that it's the same in Diamond/Pearl) kind of puts it at a disadvantage. Besides, Snorlax is one of the classic Pokemon. :D
Well, snorlax isn't exactly available in Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, as far as I know... But it's so in Fire Red and Leaf Green.
I transferred my Snorlax to my Emerald... ;D He's really awesome in the Battle Frontier...
By the way, MK, uh... truant is the ability to slack off every few turns... ;)
I just love Snorlax overall. Plus he can learn so many attacks it's crazy. You can customize him to be one of, if not THE best pokemon.
Quote from: Fisk on June 25, 2007, 09:07:38 AM
Blaziken is a life-saver in the Elite Four, so is Swampert. Though I do like Blaziken more, I don't have to train another fighting type. Swampert has the Ground/Water slots filled, but I like to use Aggron and Walrein instead.
Sceptile is cool, but grass types aren't really all that great. Mine was a life-saver in Emerald, though. The final battle is water type almost exclusively.
I was going to be angry with you, but knowing what a mudskipper is... >_> You have prevented my anger from befalling you.
On diamond I remember I have a Ponyta, Noctowl, the final form of Shinx, Onix, the evolved form of Buizel, and Torterra.
My knowledge of fish has saved me again. ;3
Does anyone have major shinies on their teams? I have a shiny Pidgeot (Livia) and a few other shinies in a box... XD;
Quote from: Fisk on June 26, 2007, 01:37:10 PM
By the way, MK, uh... truant is the ability to slack off every few turns... ;)
Thanks for the heads up.
Actually I cant seem to find any shiny pokemon. It's depressing... though my brother found a shiny Slugma (now a shiny Magcargo) and a shiny Golbat. Shiny Golbat is useless, but shiony Magcargo is cool!
I've never found a shiny.
Licky the Swampert...<3 the pic, <3 the website you got it from, and <3 the username. My pic is cooler. Its a Torchic. But do keep in mind I like Mudkip more.
You'd better.
Mudkips>Torchics.
Well, it's not that much of a loss... it's just that my first Pidgey ended up being Shiny. owo I actually dislike their shiny, it's just... a brown colour. No other colours on the Pidgeot's crest... uwu
Though I would enjoy a Shiny Suicune. Ha, like that would ever happen...
Quote from: Licky the Swampert on June 26, 2007, 02:27:39 PM
You'd better.
Mudkips>Torchics.
A more pure truth has never been spoken.
And, actually, you can rig the game into getting a shiny starter. I read it online somewhere, it said to just keep starting the game over and over again until you picked a starter and it HAPPENED to be shiny.
Yeah, you can, but I'm not too fond of the shiny starters. Except maybe Shiny Charizard, but... XD; Mudkip is pink. K? No.
Oh, and my avatar is the amazing Shadow-chan. ;D It's the greatest pokemon ever.
Shiny Charizard is GOD with wings.
And shiny mudkip looked cute...
Mightyena shiny is GOLDEN!
Too bad Mightyena is really bad and NOBODY would put it on their team.
Too bad, it was one of the cooler looking pokemon of R/S/E.
Actually when I got Emerald, I just decided to keep it as one of my top Pokemon. It actually turned out pretty well, you just have to have patience.
I can't; I just find him to be so incredibly annoying. And, according to www.serebii.net, his move set isnt too good, either.
Still okay though.
I'd say the only way you cna make Mightyena decent is if you teach it a bunch of good TMs. Maybe one or two HMs. That's it.
The only ONLY Non-crappy HM is SURF. All the others blow very badly.
I beg to differ. Strenght has 80 power, and Waterfall has 80 power. Dive has 60 power. That isnt too shabby, not to mewntion dive gives you an evasive edge. And Fly isnt too bad a move, either.
I hate how there are a load of HMs you have to have in D/P in your team, especially for Ground/Rock.
It takes up too much move space.
Yes, I think they should have stuck with the basics from the first few games; Cut, Strength, Surf, etc.
As attack moves go, Cut, Strength, Fly, and Waterfall are all pretty crappy and useless. OOHHH... 80 attack power, that doesn't do crap cause it's normal type attack. BOO! And the fact that they're semi-permanent doesn't help either because what if a pokemon naturally learns a better move? I prefer not to waste HM's on pokemon that are in my main battle team, except for Surf...
What I meant was in terms of quantity, not strength. Yes, Cut was a weaker form of Slash, but it was still helpful because it made sense to have to clear things out of the way. The same with Strength and Surf.
The thing is, masterkey has the delusion that HM moves are actually good when usually they're a waste of space for more useful and strategy oriented moves.
Then why not use the HMs on Pokemon that you could care less about and save the good moves for Pokemon that you actually do want to train?
Masterkey is too naive to do that v_v
I usually have some HM slaves in reserve during the storyline. But I usually just fly everywhere.
Fly is actually a pretty good flying attack, it's good strategically for dodging and striking.
Theoritically, but in practice, not really. You'd need to be able to see the future to really get an idea of what they're going to do, though some set-ups are fairly obvious, I'd prefer not to use fly to stop them in their tracks.
Quote from: Fisk on June 26, 2007, 02:18:46 PM
My knowledge of fish has saved me again. ;3
Does anyone have major shinies on their teams? I have a shiny Pidgeot (Livia) and a few other shinies in a box... XD;
I only have a shiny Machoke from Diamond.... 8) I mean, Shiny is good but I want something cute!!!!
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on June 28, 2007, 08:51:07 PM
Theoritically, but in practice, not really. You'd need to be able to see the future to really get an idea of what they're going to do, though some set-ups are fairly obvious, I'd prefer not to use fly to stop them in their tracks.
Yes, in practice, really. If they charge up Solarbeam or any other two-turn attack, you can dodge it and then strike them.
Maybe, but it gets annnoying that you have to wait a while to attack when there are moves of equal or greater power that only take a second, like oh say, Drill Peck. Or Earthquake, in the case of Dig.
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on June 28, 2007, 07:21:34 PM
Masterkey is too naive to do that v_v
Perhaps I'm also too naive to realize you're being a complete a**.
And since when is a difference in opinin naive? I happen to think HM moves are god, and so do some other people here. So, deal with the difference in opinion.
Strength isn't good because its normal. Dive, there are better water moves. Rock Smash I have found in Diamond, that I was really glad I taught it to Onix, many times. Fly, has such a good overworld effect and its a fairly good move that is the only or best flying move some Pokemon(Charizard for example). I hate Cut and Flash with a vengence. Because you need them at some points in the game, but they suck in battle so you have to use one of your Pokemon slots as an HM slave.
Apparently, there are also people that know that HM moves suck as well.
Once again, JQ, thats also an OPINION of his. Opinions are not facts. Didnt you learn that in school down there?
Until some other people post, I'm not replying to this topic any longer. MK, out.
My team:
Lv. 70 Giratina
Lv 56 Articuno
Lv. 71 Mewtwo
Lv. 65 Tyranitar
lv 53 Palkia
lv 51 Empoleon
and JQ, surf is a strong water move, yet it is an HM
I believe I said Surf was the ONLY good HM....
waterfall is pretty strong too