Zelda Universe just got hacked... again! It was the same people, too.
The site's been disabled, but we were only 30 minutes away from server backup! I think it was intentional.
I'm scared now... 8)
If what I'm reading is right...
All of ZU is gone.
Even the backups. Everything. Gone.
::cries nonstop::
0_0 Ok, I am srsly scared now,
We're in a race to restore the backups and change the pass before they login again. It's like the Matrix: Reloaded. If Neo doesn't get into the door in time, the site blows up.
Holy crap...some kind of legal action has to be available for this.
I only wish. The only problem is, they may look like a bunch of dumbasses, but they're not. They cover their tracks well.
Cover their tracks? They posted a confession and threat!
Yeah... on an anonymous site. You can only track them if you've a moderatorial account, and the only ones that have those accounts are hackers themselves.
....crap...
This isn't funny. What could be done about this...?
Nothing that can be said without fear of Anonymous picking it up.
...So...they have either really good hackers or they're using a dictionary hacker and ZU can't come up with good passwords...We REALLY need to call Jack. I don't care what he said, it's too dangerous for these guys to be going around attacking Zelda sites when we can't recover ours.
May I make a suggestion, then?
CALL JACK.
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*looks at Whocares*
yeah, Whocares called him before after his huge absence, he kinda got mad. Still, I think this would warrant his attention. Not to mention that he still needs to give Alpha his power as well.
What if they go after other sites?
They are. That's the thing. They've already attacked Zeldawiki. They've replaced all of the wikipics with mudkip.
They're also planning to hit The Hylia again, and they're gonna raid Zeldadungeon, too.
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on July 29, 2007, 10:10:08 PM
We REALLY need to call Jack. I don't care what he said, it's too dangerous for these guys to be going around attacking Zelda sites when we can't recover ours.
I agree. Whocares needs to call him ASAP
*Is super scared that this uber super awesome site will get hacked* :'(
QuoteThey're also planning to hit The Hylia again,
Oh **** I go to that site to listen to all my Zelda music.
It's a Zelda State of Emergency. I'm going to e-mail Jack about this. He's the only one who can set up something to stop them. My power lies in the forums. If they're doing what Tacheon is saying, then I won't be able to do much.
I'm stickying this by the way. This is important stuff.
wow this stinks.. there planning on hacking the hylia?! subriosias affiliated with that site.. what should i do guys?
low lifes who have nothing better to do with their time... thats all i have to say about them...
Hmmm... This could get real ugly real fast. TDC is well known site, and a great one. These guys... God. Have they nothing better to do?? This is illegal! Tacheon, did you say they have an anonymous site or something? What did you say about that?
Yes, they can't be tracked. That's the scary thing. They're attacking Zelda sites one by one--All sites that we're affiliated with. Should we sever the connections?
No, strength in numbers. Even in this dark moment, we should not abandon our comrades. Would they ditch us if we were in trouble?
We need to stop this. I have an idea, but I'll need all the information that they've left. If there is ANY means of contacting them, I'm sure I can do something to stop this. I just need the info.
Right now I'm traveling to our affiliates to gather information. For some reason, I'm being locked out of ZeldaDungeon's forums, though the hackers may have already got to them. Right now I'm checking out Zelda Legacy.
i know! lets get Shelk(FF Dirge) to go in the computer and destroy the hackers XD
Alright. Could you list all the info you can get right here? Or PM it to me? I have a plan.
I'm not getting many leads, but I'm working on it.
Thats understandable. From what Tacheon told us, these guys are good at covering tracks.
yeah.. i couldnt cut my affiliate off... i get many views from the hylia... this is quite a bad situation.. Sasori no Akasuna, can i hear the plan too? im kinda interested.. and you know.. im a web mistress and stuff...
I can't reveal the plan. These guys are H-A-C-K-E-R-S. The plan isn't safe anywhere. Hell, if they're is good as I think they are... there is a chance that this won't work...
hmm can they get through IP blockers? im a web mistress n00b soo ;)
I wouldn't put it past them. I'm sure they have many computers at their disposal.
Desert Colossusans, TONIGHT, WE DINE IN HELL!
my... what do they get out of this..? it sounds like such a waste of time :-* ,the hackers i mean
They do it for lulz, of course
Check the other hacking thread for more info.
i just did.. bunch of babies >:(
The Hylia might have been hit. It says I'm not allowed to create an account. Man, TSA is going to be mad.
the hylias forum? BTW whos TSA?
Oh my god, somebody call the cops or something :o
If they hit TDC... We need a plan of action. We can all meet up at this (http://ha2talk.proboards98.com/index.cgi) page. Its one of my forums, and even if HA2 is hit, this page will remain. So if the Great Colossus goes down, this page will be the meeting place. Savvy?
you have to be a member to write huh?
I was visiting the admistrator of Zelda Dungeon's Youtube page, and apparently, there are people claiming that Ebaums is behind the attack.
Ebaums word huh... Its not much of a contact lead, but I'll check it out. I used to go there all the time. Is there sound reasoning that its Ebaums?
Mases didn't say it. Someone on the comments page said so. This is the only lead I've been able to find, I'm still looking around.
It's not ebaums. It's a bunch of /b/tards.
I see... I checked out the forums of Ebaumsworld, but its no surprise that I didn't find anything... Where is Tacheon, he said that they left threat notes... he knew a lot more than he told us, I wish he was here to clarify...
http://420chan.org/
WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT
Look in the /i/invasion section. Under Hyrule's closed.
That's where they talk about their attacks.
UPDATE: the forums have been restored via backup :D
This is bad...
erk, I can't even come up with a reasonable response.
Yeah, I'm not really sure what to say either. What good is the War on Terror when it doesn't protect us from teh anonymous intarweb men?
Quote from: Tacheon Black on July 30, 2007, 11:07:09 AM
UPDATE: the forums have been restored via backup :D
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Quote from: Tacheon Black on July 30, 2007, 11:07:09 AM
http://420chan.org/
WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT
Look in the /i/invasion section. Under Hyrule's closed.
That's where they talk about their attacks.
UPDATE: the forums have been restored via backup :D
Hmm... Its telling me that the connection has timed out. Thanks Tacheon, this is perfect. (and thats not sarcasm :P)
I can't find the part that applies to us. Where exactly is it?
It doesn't exactly apply to TDC, per se, but I'm presuming that you were using the royal 'us', referring to all Zelda fansites.
Go to the main 420chan.org website, then on the left-hand side there should be a toolbar. Down a little on the toolbar is something that says '/i/ invasion'. Click on that. There are a lot of pornographic pictures, so I'd only advise Gamefreak to do this, but keep going down the list, until a picture of 'Nigra Jim', the black afro dude in front of Hyrule Castle appears, with the text "Hyrule's Closed". On the right of that, there's a reply button. Click on it, and you should be able to read everything they're talking about. It may be on the second or third page, but keep looking.
Oh, and no offense about the whole 'Nigra Jim' thing. That's just the picture's common name.
be careful so you dont get a virus :'(
There are no viruses on 420chan unless you click on picture links and other things. Think about it, would they really want to screw themselves over?
they might of made a link and pretend that you'll be able to see what their talking about trick people to click it and make you get a virus :-[
I've accessed everything I've told you to go to, and I'm virus-free. Stray off the beaten path, however, and you're past the point where I can save you.
Well, from what I read, it seems that they're past it now.
Hmm... I read all the comments.. I don't know how, but they figured out the admin password. They don't seem to smart, but they figured it out. They won't hit us, don't worry. I think we're all safe. They seem to have gotten bored.
True, but look for other threads, too. They have a LOT of them, and the one I told you about is not the only Zelda invasion thread.
so is it over then?
Doubt it, but it's sickening to see some of the stuff that they're discussing there. It's like a cult.
Aye, for now.
BUT-- just something to keep in mind, they did the initial hack this year on the anniversary of the hack the year before that.
The internet is Romani Ranch, ZU is the cows, and Anonymous is the aliens.
And I, of course, am Chateau Romani.
Quote from: Gamefreak on July 30, 2007, 12:40:34 PM
Doubt it, but it's sickening to see some of the stuff that they're discussing there. It's like a cult.
idiots 8)
Can I be Epona?
In all seriousness, though, I can't stand people who have nothing better to do than to hack sites or insult people. I mean, really, what's the point?
It seems that they put out "hits" on people. Not killing ones, but they give the person's address, phone number and other personal information, and then the other people go crazy with pranks.
I saw that. These kinds of people make the net a very dangerous place. nice analogy too Tacheon. I guess we'll just do all we can to make sure they don't get a hold of TDC. ::)
Guys, if we prevent this site from getting hacked, I'M GOING TO LOVE YOU ALL!! :D
Ok, back to buissness.
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They won't hit us, don't worry. I think we're all safe. They seem to have gotten bored.
Don't let that fool you, they may be letting you think that so they'll catch us off guard and hack us.
Again, they don't seem very smart. I doubt they would be putting up a false front thinking that the entire Zelda community would get word of it, and check that very spot.
But you never know, we have to be on the lookout.
This topic is exciting, yet scary. XDD It's like what happened last night... Scary, yet exciting.
I think they mentioned something of another attack on Zelda Universe tonight.
Indeed they did. Nice new sig btw GameFreak. I would look into it more, but there were far too many disturbing images. I can handle it, but there's a house full of children. ???
yeah, your new stuff is cool Gamefreak ^_^
i dont change my stuff allot because i have no place to store it u_u... but i digress..
they really have it out for ZU eh...? I would never go to that site for one it sounds horribly... weird second virus possibility :-[
Well they claimed that ZU was getting boring. Not sure what else they're planning. But my password is always so elaborate that nobody could guess it. EVER. I would suggest any webmaster the same.
To quote Red vs Blue:
Simmons: Every password should contain at least one number and one letter, in your case it would be 2dumb2live.
Sarge: Excellent burn!
QuoteBut my password is always so elaborate that nobody could guess it. EVER. I would suggest any webmaster the same.
Well, my password, what it's based on anyway, is long-forgotten now, so I think mine's the same as yours.
QuoteTo quote Red vs Blue:
Simmons: Every password should contain at least one number and one letter, in your case it would be 2dumb2live.
Sarge: Excellent burn!
Me: Excellent indeed, Sir! XDD
:PGotta love RVB
And mine consist completely of numbers and letters jumbled together. Both of them.
Wow. :-X Maybe I should do that too... That could take months to figure out.
i have a "strong" password on wordpress account, at least thats what they tell me :)
It's possible that you could use a language other than English to be the password. Maybe even a newborn language. My language could be used in this way, and Hi no Seijin's too, if he'd be up to it. Add letters to it, and you got yourself (to quote Al from the Ratchet and Clank series) "an omega-class assymetric encryption"! ;)
Besides, I doubt dictionary hackers have newborn languages in their databases.
I have to say that I'm a bit jealous of Zelda Legacy. All the Zelda Dungeon refugees are headed over there.
Why are you jealous, though?
QuoteIt's possible that you could use a language other than English to be the password. Maybe even a newborn language. My language could be used in this way, and Hi no Seijin's too, if he'd be up to it. Add letters to it, and you got yourself (to quote Al from the Ratchet and Clank series) "an omega-class assymetric encryption"!
Besides, I doubt dictionary hackers have newborn languages in their databases.
What a smart idea, Maggy-kun! Sasori's is pretty good too. *Gasp!* Maybe... Maybe we could combine mixed up letters and numbers with newborn language!!
:-\
umm im missing the point here.... by a newborn language do you mean like make your own up?
kfyokd jfeu q goio wrce
(sounds like a good idea)
:D
I think he means like, Tonga, or, Urdu or something.
Quote from: Pein no Akatsuki on July 30, 2007, 01:58:04 PM
I think he means like, Tonga, or, Urdu or something.
oh.. thats a shame for i dont know any language besides english :'(
Maybe me and Sasori or Maggy-kun, Me, and Sasori could help make passowords. Idk. XDD
Darn, Mags has caught onto my idea for my password... >_> Now I'll have to go change it.
Even if it is easy to figure out, not so easy if it's another language, is it? ;D
PnA, you pretty much have the idea. Just creating passwords in which the words can't easily be traced by a dictionary hacker. Mixing numbers in there is great also because dictionary hackers (often) don't have numbers in the words in their databases, so they won't be able to crack the codes. Even the letters that Sess typed in earlier are good; no hacker is going to want to just type in letters all by him- or herself endlessly just to get into a website database. :P
Heehee. :D Are we smart, or what?
You guys do realize that the hacker could be looking at this at any moment.
Which is the reason why we need a less specific password. 8)
Yeah. 8) Let's all talk about this in PM's!! XDDD Naw JK JK~
were in ur colossus haking ur leevers
This reminds me of a great April fools prank, where the site was supposedly hacked. And they made it so whoever was reading it was being blamed.
Want some WHOIS? Here:
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Domain ID:D106127091-LROR
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Expiration Date:21-Apr-2009 03:39:16 UTC
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Notice that their server host is "GoDaddy". Here's an excerpt from their Terms of Use:
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Anyone who visits their site can
clearly tell that they're up to illegal activity. There went their website. We also have his address, and name. We have his email. Someone's spending a night in jail. ;) Also, any IP logs on the site can be seized by the authorities, to get anyone who posted on the site. I tell you, we have them. ;D
Here's hoping. Still, that doesn't mean someone else won't be doing it anytime soon, so we still need a more secure password.
However, it seems that these events are quite unprecedented for Zelda sites. Perhaps this will be the only time we'll see this happen for a while?
We can't complain. Technically what we're doing falls under copyright infringement. If we tell that they're going around hacking our sites, and our sites in turn aren't legal in the first place, then we might get shut down as well.
I fail to see how what we're doing is illegal. May I hear an elaboration? ;)
Er, fansites aren't illegal. If we were making a profit off of the characters, that would be copyright infringement.
Though I'm not familiar with every law, I'm fairly certain that Nintendo wouldn't be like -SUE!- because we made a site in honour of a great game series.
Like Fisk said, we're not profiting from their characters or series, so we won't get in trouble. There are many many Zelda fansites out there. And great work Hiro! Did you take it upon yourself to call the authorities, or should one of us take action?
That was brilliant. Excellent job Hiro! Now we've got them..
Whoa... again? That's crazy.... What a mess.
I contacted GoDaddy, and here's what I got:
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I am contacting you to inform you that a domain registered under your service (which I found through a WHOIS query) is engaged in illegal activities. I request that the offending domain, http://420chan.org/, be removed and the appropriate authorities notified. They have been cracking passwords on Zelda fansites, most notably the repeated attacks on http://www.zeldauniverse.net/. Proof of this can be found by simply visiting the /i/nvasion section of the offending domain. They also have many pornographic pictures on their site, and repeated drug references. Thank you for your time and cooperation in this matter.
Joe
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Dear Joe,
We have been forwarded your email regarding the domain 420chan.org.
We are not the hosting provider for this site. We are the domain name registrar only. We have neither access to, nor jurisdiction over the content on this site.
The web hosting provider for this website is the company responsible for policing any content that appears on this site. You can discover the identity of the hosting provider by performing a "WhoIS" lookup on the domain name in question. The results of your search will reveal both the domain name registrar and the name servers for the domain name. A "WhoIS" search on these name servers will reveal the web hosting provider where the domain name's website resides. Please submit your complaint to this company based on their AUP.
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They said they have forwarded it. To who, I don't know. I find it rather funny that they gave me a a list of whois sites, when I specifically told them that I found theirs through a whois. Meaning I already know how. :P I have reviewed the name servers and WhoIS'd them. Didn't give me much info, but I have what I need. EveryDNS will be the downfall of these hacker fools. Somebody else, contact the appropriate authorities. This is what happens when you mess with Hyrule.
Well, at least its being solved. Thanks Hiro, we really couldn't have done this without you :D
And that is indeed what happens. I hope that guy gets raped in prison SO hard >:(
QuoteI hope that guy gets raped in prison SO hard >:(
LMGDAOROFL!!!!
Niiiiice, we're makin' some progress here.
Quote from: Sasori no Akasuna on July 31, 2007, 06:44:15 PM
Well, at least its being solved. Thanks Hiro, we really couldn't have done this without you :D
And that is indeed what happens. I hope that guy gets raped in prison SO hard >:(
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Stolen image.
QuoteWe can't complain. Technically what we're doing falls under copyright infringement. If we tell that they're going around hacking our sites, and our sites in turn aren't legal in the first place, then we might get shut down as well.
1. Unless it is detracting from sales, we are claiming it, or we charge money.
2. Nintendo doesn't care, even with fangames and people they could sue, because they are smart, and they know it promotes sales.
I don't think we had much to fear.
Quote from: Sasori no Akasuna on July 31, 2007, 06:44:15 PM
Well, at least its being solved. Thanks Hiro, we really couldn't have done this without you :D
And that is indeed what happens. I hope that guy gets raped in prison SO hard >:(
Don't worry; We'll have him transferred to Washington, home of the 'We-have-very-slippery-soap' Jail.
Quote from: Shikamaru Nara on July 31, 2007, 10:24:15 PM
Don't worry; We'll have him transferred to Washington, home of the 'We-have-very-slippery-soap' Jail.
We need a rofl copter up in here :P
And is it really holder of the title? lol! He should be taken to Alcatraz or something :P
What happens if there are other hackers, ones that are better, and aren't stupid enough to talk about their hacking? Then what? :o
I know I sound negative, but we need to think about other threats to us!
There's no doubt that there are much better hackers. Remember the people who stole Half-Life 2 while it was still in development? That's an example.
Quote from: Col. Roy Mustang on August 02, 2007, 03:27:15 AM
There's no doubt that there are much better hackers. Remember the people who stole Half-Life 2 while it was still in development? That's an example.
Man, what a crime... I waited for it patiently, and ended up loving it anyways. I know we have to prepare for the worst case scenario, and that includes contacting Jack somehow. I think he should have given GameFreak complete control. We wouldn't have much reason to contact him if GameFreak was supreme ruler. And GameFreak, can I still call you GameFreak, or should I make the switch to Col. Roy Mustang/CRM?
I'll be switching every couple weeks through military officers from Fullmetal Alchemist. Then I'll change back to Gamefreak. So you can still call me Gamefreak.
As for complete control of the site. I don't have the money to pay for the bandwith Desert Colossus takes up. Jack still pays the bills. I have contacted Jack at his personal e-mail address so he'll send me a message back soon.
Maybe, but can't he put you in charge to where you can access and repair the site? Not to mention he still needs to take care of HA2.
He said he fixed Hyrule Adventures.
Well, he did, but he failed to give Alpha the FTP code :-*
Yes, he was supposed to put Alpha in charge.
He did. I'm pretty sure Alpha is admin, he just needs that code to do anything we need.
I asked, he said he wasn't yet.
Anyways, what's the deal? Has anything been done to 420chan yet?
Can he do anything about that site? I wonder if the mods and administrator are hackers as well. Then we'd be screwed.
If we had mods and admins as hackers, they would've already hacked.
Well, you're not going to believe this, but a friend of mine said that he knows the admins of the site! He's going to have a word with them. :)
*GASPO!!!* *Hugs your friend*
did zelda infinate get hacked? i cant view there site
Can that site be shut down for all the hacking they do?
Can that site be shut down since they leave so much evidence to their hacks
Double post! *Gasp*
Idk.
what? what do you mean?
:-X
Azure Kite, double posts are not allowed on the General Discussion boards. I'll merge it but take better care not to make the same mistake twice, or it will be a warning.
whoo, me so late...
ANYWAY! Legal action can't be taken against hackers that hack meer fansites, mainly because said sites do nothing out of profit, so no profit is lost if said sites are hacked. This is the internets, meaning a lot of what would be termed 'illegal' in the real world, has no jurisdiction in the intrawebs world. So trying to sue said hackers for said reasons are all but impossible, especially if said hackers are all but anonmynous. The best you can do is contact the admins of 4chan and hope they take necessary action. Well, that and try to beef up everyone's security.
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 03, 2007, 07:18:05 PM
whoo, me so late...
ANYWAY! Legal action can't be taken against hackers that hack meer fansites, mainly because said sites do nothing out of profit, so no profit is lost if said sites are hacked. This is the internets, meaning a lot of what would be termed 'illegal' in the real world, has no jurisdiction in the intrawebs world. So trying to sue said hackers for said reasons are all but impossible, especially if said hackers are all but anonmynous. The best you can do is contact the admins of 4chan and hope they take necessary action. Well, that and try to beef up everyone's security.
Objection!! (http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=2099357)
Quote from: Sasori no Akasuna on August 03, 2007, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 03, 2007, 07:18:05 PM
whoo, me so late...
ANYWAY! Legal action can't be taken against hackers that hack meer fansites, mainly because said sites do nothing out of profit, so no profit is lost if said sites are hacked. This is the internets, meaning a lot of what would be termed 'illegal' in the real world, has no jurisdiction in the intrawebs world. So trying to sue said hackers for said reasons are all but impossible, especially if said hackers are all but anonmynous. The best you can do is contact the admins of 4chan and hope they take necessary action. Well, that and try to beef up everyone's security.
Objection!! (http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=2099357)
O_O
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That was funny...
Quote from: Pein no Akatsuki on August 03, 2007, 09:11:19 PM
Quote from: Sasori no Akasuna on August 03, 2007, 09:03:28 PM
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 03, 2007, 07:18:05 PM
whoo, me so late...
ANYWAY! Legal action can't be taken against hackers that hack meer fansites, mainly because said sites do nothing out of profit, so no profit is lost if said sites are hacked. This is the internets, meaning a lot of what would be termed 'illegal' in the real world, has no jurisdiction in the intrawebs world. So trying to sue said hackers for said reasons are all but impossible, especially if said hackers are all but anonmynous. The best you can do is contact the admins of 4chan and hope they take necessary action. Well, that and try to beef up everyone's security.
Objection!! (http://objection.mrdictionary.net/go.php?n=2099357)
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That was funny...
I like objections! :D And this seemed appropriate...
How do you make those objections?
http://objection.mrdictionary.net/
Does that count as a one word post? :-\
Does what count as a one word post? XO
Quote from: Sasori no Akasuna on August 03, 2007, 09:24:44 PM
http://objection.mrdictionary.net/
Does that count as a one word post? :-\
That one. And after these are found, could someone delete them, its kind of building up as spam ;)
Oh... Idk.
Yeah, please? ;)
Bah... you think any judge will pay attention to a trial where the sole damage is through server bills?
Not to mention, it's impossible to track them, so who would you go trial with? Who? These sites are small potatoes. If ALL sites that got hacked had the oppurtunity to press charges in a legal court of law, the courts would be DRENCHED in said cases. It happens that often. I don't think a legal solution is the answer, at least not in the present situation.
And did you look up the history of 4chan? Someone (A rather famous person, I might add) tried to sue them, but the judge threw the case out... As you can see... You have to fight an internet war using internet rules.
I see... so hack the crap out of them? Me and my friends can. :P
I won't charge that as a one-word post, ZV, since it technically linked to your real post, which was quite lengthy.
Anyways, can't we sue them for emotional losses? I mean, the people who were disturbed and scarred by the images?
If people could do that, then porn would have gone out of business long ago (It hasn't.)
Now a thing that's up in the air: What's gonna happen to the Zelda community after all this? What of the Hylia? Zelda Wiki? Zelda Dungeon?
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 04, 2007, 07:41:25 AM
If people could do that, then porn would have gone out of business long ago (It hasn't.)
Now a thing that's up in the air: What's gonna happen to the Zelda community after all this? What of the Hylia? Zelda Wiki? Zelda Dungeon?
But those sites will always warn you of adult content before hand. You agree to those terms by entering the site. A lot of kids go to a Zelda site not expecting so this.
Yeah. I agree ZeldaVeteran. *Has no words of wisdom*
Those are NOT legal terms; they are terms that are honorable. The internet has no laws; only rules, so seeking a legal solution will be in vain. Believe me, it will.
I was asking if anyone had heard any news about them, and if they can be fixed, etc...
Ok, guys, let's not start a war here, ok? Just disagree without any attitude. *Looks at JQ*
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 04, 2007, 01:46:04 PM
Those are NOT legal terms; they are terms that are honorable. The internet has no laws; only rules, so seeking a legal solution will be in vain. Believe me, it will.
I was asking if anyone had heard any news about them, and if they can be fixed, etc...
Okay, so I could go around severely destroying everything on the net, and not get sued?
ZeldVet, please, don't start a fight. ;)
I'm just upset that the laws don't care for the net, when much of our society is based around it.
Okay, okay, maybe you can do something. But it would be next to impossible to charge THEM with any crime because of the anonymity of 4chan and the unlikelihood of the mods/admins to give away personal information on the matter of said hackers. THey're nearly impossible to trace.
Simply replacing with shock images isn't enough legal cause to go up against them in a court of law.
You might be able to target the site itself for hacking many, many other sites and henceforth, doing a great deal of damage in property... But such a case happening is only tenuous at best.
If they were to hack sites that had immediate repercussions to the real world, like Amazon or ebay or any number of public related websites, then said companies WILL push their metal through to seek legal action. But something like Zelda is feasible unless personal damages (And we're talking multiple counts and BIIIIIIG damages, not little fickle ones) are incurred.
Quote from: Sasori no Akasuna on August 04, 2007, 01:58:43 PM
I'm just upset that the laws don't care for the net, when much of our society is based around it.
Ohh. It's ok. *Pats back* I'm upset too. Even if they do mean things, I'd at least try to be nice because, well, I just want to treat people how I would want to be treated. :)
ANYhoo, umm...
They're not being nice to you, so why should you be nice to them? If they can be hacked, then it should happen. Epecially mods and administrators. Only for deleting the accounts, though, and banning them. I don't like hurting innocent people unless it's necessary to defeat hackers.
Has anyone looked at what the guys at ZU have posted about this situation?
QuoteI must say to everyone that trying to go these sites and trying to tell them to stop this from happening is a open invite to come back and try again. So, I must tell everyone reading this that if they know these sites and go to them, do not post on their sites. Leave them alone, let them be, and they will stay away for now. Whether they stay away for good, I do not know.
I honestly don't know what can be done about them... Obviously, trying to fight them would create more trouble than its worth because they owuld simply hack
us. If you tried mentioning such things on those boards, where you're from, etc... You'd probably get flamed and invite the whole site to be hacked/flooded. Not a very pretty situation, is it?
Quote from: Azure Kite on August 04, 2007, 08:49:50 PM
They're not being nice to you, so why should you be nice to them? If they can be hacked, then it should happen. Epecially mods and administrators. Only for deleting the accounts, though, and banning them. I don't like hurting innocent people unless it's necessary to defeat hackers.
Well, would you like to be treated meanly? But if they pmo then it's awn!!
There was already an idiot who posted there, and they got banned. They said what they're whole plan was. I'm not stupid enough to do that.
This is a verrry bad situation indeed...we can't do anything to combat them....verrry bad....
*gasp* Let's tell Chuck Norris! He always helps the innocent!
Lmao Shika. XD
Remember, PnA, where you're posting: General Discussion. Try to keep your posts relevant to the topic at hand, okay? ;)
Anyway, one of the few ways that they would target us out of provocation is...well, from simply telling them about us. They'll know about us if we try telling them to stop, so that's out of the question. If we were to fight fire with fire, however, then hacking them back would be an option (provided that they don't have nearly-uncrackable encryptions and firewalls to protect themselves) AS LONG AS they don't trace us back to TDC.
For now, I think the quickest, easiest, and (above all) SAFEST way would be to just revamp our own securities. It's like going into battle without high-quality armor: you're more vulnerable.
I hope they don't come here and hack!
But then again I don't really care what happen to zelda universe anyhow... ;)
It's the fact that they're hacking places all around the Internet, and recently they have targeted Zelda Sites.
how do you know what theyre planning to do? ::)
either theyre leaving notes on theyre moves,youre
one of them,or youre just making all this crap up :P
Quote from: saria returns. on August 06, 2007, 09:02:32 AM
I hope they don't come here and hack!
But then again I don't really care what happen to zelda universe anyhow... ;)
yeah, if they did that, my life would be over, this is all I got to do on my time, oh, and yugioh, but the people here are much more cool.
Quote from: Go-Ruden Densetsu on August 06, 2007, 12:17:34 PM
how do you know what theyre planning to do? ::)
either theyre leaving notes on theyre moves,youre
one of them,or youre just making all this crap up :P
They've been leaving notes around the internet, specifically around their base of operations: 420chan.
rrrrrrrrrrrrrriiiite 8)
Hey man, one word post not so good... I holds it light for thou art new.
JQ, he's hardly new. All his posts are chatboard, he's been here for months.
Make that more than a year. Given the circumstances, I think a warning's in order.
warnings :o
for who :-\
and in that reply about one word posts what are you trying to say ?
He's saying your getting a warning for making a worded post, which is against the rules, geez, even I figured that one out, and I ain't that smart. ;D anyways, lets all get back on topic, can someone tell me why this is stickyed again?
And thou art unstickied.
There hasn't been anything and everything seems okay for the moment... It will be restickied in case of emergency...
alrighty then, good work JQ. :D anyways, I am now gonna stop posting in here
RULES :o
there are rules? :-[
...................That should be common sense. It's not like:
WELCOME TO THE FORUMS! DO WHATEVER THE HECK YOU FEEL LIKE NOW!
Of course there are rules. How do you think we've managed to stay so dignified and people like Sabata and The Postman were banned?
You've been here way longer than I have, you should really know that. Now then, I haven't seen one post you've made in this topic qualify as being on topic, so if the next one had better be on topic.
Anyways, you think they're done for good, or are they just taking their time trying to hack some other place?
I doubt that they're "done". An organization like that just doesn't hit something and call it quits from there. They'll do other things for sure.
That reminds me, has Jack replied to the email yet? What did he have to say on the subject?
He hasn't replied to the e-mail yet.
dude, you are totally spamming, so stop doing so... you've been on here long enough, you should know the rules and what not. I am going to report this to gamefreak.
Psst, the guy right above you is Gamefreak, so I think he might already know about all this.
he, I think I might have missed something, sorry, I left and forgot to renew my computer screan... ;)
Well, they COULD be trying to catch everyone off-guard. You know, wait until everyone thinks this is all over and then strike when we're most vulnerable. That'll require us to keep vigilant.
No doubt that that might be the issue as well.
yeah, that could become a problem there, I hate hackers so much, they're such jerks, they're like an online bully or something.
all im gonna say is I hope they don't come here, that is if they arent already ::)
they better not, or they will have to deal with me!
...Yeah, we're screwed :P
I say we set up an Owlbear, Jewfish, and sniper squirrel guard.
Quote from: Go-Ruden Densetsu on August 09, 2007, 01:34:00 PM
all im gonna say is I hope they don't come here, that is if they arent already ::)
They're not elaborate enough to work like that. They don't take a website, let it think it's safe then strike like that. They just come in, strike, then leave.
At least there not like these guys: Anonymous (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNO6G4ApJQY)
The ZU hackers was Anonymous.
Quote from: Ethan on August 09, 2007, 11:39:52 AM
yeah, that could become a problem there, I hate hackers so much, they're such jerks, they're like an online bully or something.
Not all hackers are jerks. There are hackers out there that help with criminal investigations. You saying that they're all jerks is like saying people with guns murder people for the heck of it. Police officers have firearms, and they don't (usually) kill people for the heck of it.
Really, it's hackers like the ZU hackers that give many other hackers a bad name.
thats true, but the kind we're talking about are.
Uhh... I'd just like to point out that hackers hardly ever do anything beneficial to society. mainly, they'll hack into servers/computers to steal information for identity theft, steal their money, steal classified information for the sake of personal gain/exploitation...
Saying that 'these hackers give other hackers a bad name' is like saying 'Most money launderers give money launderers like "catch me if you can" a bad name'.
("Catch me if you can" was about a guy who made counterfeit money and checks very well, but in the end, he was able to help the feds catch others that did the same thing.)
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 10, 2007, 04:12:54 PM
Uhh... I'd just like to point out that hackers hardly ever do anything beneficial to society. mainly, they'll hack into servers/computers to steal information for identity theft, steal their money, steal classified information for the sake of personal gain/exploitation...
Saying that 'these hackers give other hackers a bad name' is like saying 'Most money launderers give money launderers like "catch me if you can" a bad name'.
("Catch me if you can" was about a guy who made counterfeit money and checks very well, but in the end, he was able to help the feds catch others that did the same thing.)
I object. I object much greatly.
Hackers are all good. That's what I said, read it again. ALL HACKERS ARE GOOD. This is the reason:
Hacker- One who bypasses security to learn or help someone.
Cracker- One who bypasses security for personal gain.
What we have is Crackers. I am a Hacker. I hack to learn, and to help (See earlier).
Well, as long as you help, and not destroy, its all good. :D
But Crackers are... TYPES of hackers.
hackers don't do anything beneficial at all ???
But in your previous post, you said that all hackers were good.
That was Zeldaforever who said that, not GRD.
Gah, my bad. I confused them because they both don't have avatars.
Seriously, this is bad. TDC is my favorite site! Curse you Zelda terrorists!!!!!!
This reminds me when a hacker put a virus in my computer that caused it to crash, it was months before I could fix everything. :(
Don't worry. Zelda hackers haven't been here, nor will they be here. We're safe.
i hope they don't come here! by the way Gayle the Pirate, nice avatar quote ::)
Hackers are not Crackers.
Crackers are in it for personal gain.
Hackers are in it for the knowledge.
But hackers will help if you ask nicely ^_^ (Or have a good site :P)
Yes, their methods are sometimes the same, but that's like saying both sides of a war are the same. They're both fighting, but for completely different causes.
I believe that you are misinformed, friend. A cracker is a misguided hacker. Hackers do the same thing as crackers, but they do it for money or info, not lulz. That doesn't make them any better than you or me.
and if they Hack Zelda Temple again, I'll attack!