The Desert Colossus

Who do you think is more evil, its a tough choice for me, cause one takes your money, and they other tryies to kill ya...

Okaaaaaay. Tingle is annoying and greedy, but I wouldn't consider him evil, much less evil enough to compare with Ganon.

I choose Gannon (http://gannonbanned.ytmnd.com/).

I mean, you're right; Tingle and Gannon (http://gannonbanned.ytmnd.com/) are on the same level of evil. We all know stealing force gems is the same thing as trying to steal the Triforce and lead Hyrule to ruin.

tingle stole my ruppes, he is evil  

Tingle's in your walletz, stealing ur rupeez!

And be cautious that LadyNintendo and Hi no Seijin don't see this topic.

*gasp* *shoves topic under a rug* heheh there

And Sora is now Gannon-banned for using the term Gannon to describe the King of Evil in general.

All it takes is one little glance at the article TDC has on how Tingle really is evil.

Quote from: 1Lt. Riza Hawkeye on August 20, 2007, 06:04:26 PM
And be cautious that LadyNintendo and Hi no Seijin don't see this topic.

I was trying to ignore it.  I guess I failed.

Before I leave this idiotic topic forever:

Oh noes!  Tingle is trying to start a business!  He must be killed![/sarcasm]

Honestly, Tingle taking your money is a lame a** excuse to label him evil and/or hate him.  It would be like hating McDonald's because they make you pay for your meal when you go there to eat.  True, Tingle's fees are quite hefty in TWW, but that suggests that he has a monopoly on the whole chart deciphering business, which pretty much means he can charge whatever he wants.  Maybe he charges hundreds of rupees to help pay off student loans from Chart Deciphering University.  Higher education isn't cheap, you know.  Besides, given that rupees are apparently limitless in the land of Hyrule, what's an hour or so of tedious collecting if the end result is you saving Hyrule?  Also, given that you get most of your supplies for free, who needs to shop in Hyrule?  With all those rupees and items in the field, it's a wonder Hyrule isn't in an economic crisis.

Yes, if Tingle is so evil for opening a shop, then what makes him any more evil than any other shop keeper in Hyrule, Holodrum, or Labrynna?

Quote from: 1Lt. Riza Hawkeye on August 22, 2007, 05:16:42 AM
Yes, if Tingle is so evil for opening a shop, then what makes him any more evil than any other shop keeper in Hyrule, Holodrum, or Labrynna?

Everyone else's prices are fair, and don't reqiure long hours of rupee searching.

Ahem? Magic Armor? Ring a bell?

*points to above post*

Are you familiar with the concept of a monopoly?  Tingle's prices are large; I won't deny that.  But we don't know his reasoning for charging so much.  Considering that Tingle's biggest dream is to be a faerie and that faeries are pure-hearted creatures, he most likely has very good reasons why his chart deciphering business is expensive.  Besides, that's just TWW.  In MM, maps were 20 rupees; 40 if you bought a map for a different region.  In OoA, he doesn't even charge you rupees for the Sea Chart.  In TMC, he just fuses Kinstones with you.  And in FSA, Force Gems just lay around, so even when a monster knocks them away from you, they're fair game to everyone, including Tingle.  And Shika brings up a good point.  Magic Armor eats away at your rupees, and I don't hear anyone declaring that evil.

I really tried to stay out of this topic, I really did, but this is just ridiculous. (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/Commodore_Axilon/Forum%20Crap/linkrolleyes.gif)

Quote from: Hi no Seijin on August 22, 2007, 08:28:50 AM
Are you familiar with the concept of a monopoly?  Tingle's prices are large; I won't deny that.  But we don't know his reasoning for charging so much.

Who cares what the reason is? The fact is he still charges a lot of money. Taking advantage of people with your monopoly is a pretty dickish thing to do.

QuoteConsidering that Tingle's biggest dream is to be a faerie and that faeries are pure-hearted creatures, he most likely has very good reasons why his chart deciphering business is expensive.

Well, he's obviously insane, so that might give you an answer. And fairies are not "pure-hearted creatures" either.

QuoteBesides, that's just TWW.  In MM, maps were 20 rupees; 40 if you bought a map for a different region. In OoA, he doesn't even charge you rupees for the Sea Chart.  In TMC, he just fuses Kinstones with you.

I was unaware that somone had to hate every single incarnation of Tingle. Guess that makes 'em a hypocrite, huh?

QuoteAnd in FSA, Force Gems just lay around, so even when a monster knocks them away from you, they're fair game to everyone, including Tingle.

And you completely gloss over the fact that he tries to steal them from you.

QuoteAnd Shika brings up a good point.  Magic Armor eats away at your rupees, and I don't hear anyone declaring that evil.

1) That's completely different. The Magic Armor is a completely optional item with which you have the option to use it...optionally. Deciphering the Triforce Charts is required to advance the plot.
2) The Magic Armor sucks. Worthless piece of crap.

And is everybody forgetting the fact that he has slaves? That's...that's not right at all.

Quote from: Commodore Axilon on August 22, 2007, 11:43:29 AM
And is everybody forgetting the fact that he has slaves? That's...that's not right at all.

To quote Wiki:

"Although identical to Tingle and his brothers, David Jr. is actually a normal person from Windfall Island. After getting shipwrecked on Tingle Island, he was set to work to turn the wheel. Unenthusiastic about his role, he does it anyway, although he is prone to complaining."

So, he can leave at any point. He just chooses to do it anyway, just complains a lot. And even then, it would be only one slave; Ankle chooses to do it by his own will, to support his brother, Knuckle.

Sure, Tingle can be a bit of an ** when it comes to making his brother work, but... siblings are like that.

Quote from: Fisk on August 22, 2007, 12:00:22 PM
So, he can leave at any point. He just chooses to do it anyway, just complains a lot.

Actually, he can't. He's seasick, remember?

QuoteAnd even then, it would be only one slave; Ankle chooses to do it by his own will, to support his brother, Knuckle.

Then he's an indentured servant. Not much better.

QuoteSure, Tingle can be a bit of an ** when it comes to making his brother work, but... siblings are like that.

Ah, yes. I remember when me and my sister used to work in the coal mines. Oh, how I'd love to sit their and laugh while she did all that backbreaking labor. Good times, good times...

Quote from: Commodore Axilon on August 22, 2007, 11:43:29 AM
Taking advantage of people with your monopoly is a pretty dickish thing to do.

As is finding lame excuses to justify your hatred of a someone just because their different, which is kind of my ****ing point.

Look, getting rupees is the easiest thing to do in Zelda games, even if it does take a long time to do so.  If you don't like it, then don't play the ****ing game.

Quote from: Hi no Seijin on August 22, 2007, 12:18:13 PM
As is finding lame excuses to justify your hatred of a someone just because their different, which is kind of my ****ing point.

Excuse me, but the only one finding lame excuses here is you.

QuoteLook, getting rupees is the easiest thing to do in Zelda games, even if it does take a long time to do so.  If you don't like it, then don't play the ****ing game.

Zelda games are not sacred objects exempt from criticism. You're really starting to sound like some kind of fanboy here.

This is starting to get out of hand.  I am close to locking this topic.

Let's not get so worked up over this, it is just a game after all.

You think that there would be more than one chart decipherer in all of Hyrule, but with a population of only a little over a hundred citizens at any given time, I guess not.

hahahahahaha haaa haa haa! this is actually getting pretty dumb 8) . i dont like tingle any no bodys gonna change that 'cause "i dont take orders from nobody"  ;D

I agree.  This thread clearly sucks!

However, it's amusing, so I'll let it live.

That, and I'm not a mod.

Oh, just pointing this out, in WW, Tingle charges a lot, yes, but he actually steals in FSA.
He isn't evil, but he is frikking annoying and a theif. (Though actually no more than Link is. >_> At least Link can dress himself.)

he's evil to me  >:( mwahaha! Ganon doesnt seem that evil to me ::) i mean compared to some anime/other game bad guys

I still think that stealing the Triforce is a little bit worse than stealing your force gems, though.

Oh, and Link does steal rupees from the enemies, too. I mean, god, does no one care about the feelings of those poor Wizzrobes and ReDeads?

QuoteOh, and Link does steal rupees from the enemies, too. I mean, god, does no one care about the feelings of those poor Wizzrobes and ReDeads?

Well, if you take into account what Link does, he would have numerous crimes to his name, let's name some:
Link has currently been charged for the following offences... ( From Uncyclopedia,with some edits)

Selling drugs without a licence.
Arson
Violation of private life and probably blackmailing
Robbery
Breaking and entering
Assault and battering
Cruelty to animals
Leaving his fish wife and kids without paying Dead-Beat-Dad money.
Political assassination
A million separate counts of murder
Blowing things up without a permit
Fishing without a permit
Digging without a permit
Stealing a time machine
Messing around with the space-time continuum
Being a general pain in the a**.
Vandalism
Littering
Indecent exposure

Yes, compared to Link, Tingle's a saint.

Uhh... I'd just like to point out that the redeads, wizzrobes AND moblins all work for Ganon. So there.

well Link looks nice so there  ::)

Yes, but even if they work for Ganon, they worked hard for their money and in the case of Wind Waker... jewelry. They deserve all that money they gained, they're on a life-or-death mission.

I mean, they're soldiers in a war, man.

And Wizzrobes look nice. People still hate them, though. /:

Quote from: Fisk on August 22, 2007, 06:16:11 PM
And Wizzrobes look nice. People still hate them, though. /:

i only hate them in LoZ >:(

Quote from: Fisk on August 22, 2007, 06:16:11 PM
Yes, but even if they work for Ganon, they worked hard for their money and in the case of Wind Waker... jewelry. They deserve all that money they gained, they're on a life-or-death mission.

I mean, they're soldiers in a war, man.

And Wizzrobes look nice. People still hate them, though. /:

Ganon pays them almost nothing, at least by Link's standards. Seriously, you kill the entire gang of Bokoblins and you get only twenty-five rupees. Still, Link is probably the richest person in hyrule, like in TWW, your grandma sends you her life's savings, and it's only twenty rupees!

But... But... Redeads are UNDEAD man! They have no need for moneys in the afterlife!

(Why this topic has gotten so absurd that we're discussing existantial fairness and political correctness in a fantasy video game simply BOGGLES the mind!)

Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 22, 2007, 07:16:03 PM
(Why this topic has gotten so absurd that we're discussing existantial fairness and political correctness in a fantasy video game simply BOGGLES the mind!)

I guess just cuase it's fun to debate stuff like this. :)

Referring to another, earlier post, Link is a classic example of religion working as a justification of one's crimes.  He's going on a Holy Crusade to reclaim the Triforce for the 'good guys', so it's okay to kill, burn, and steal in the name of all that's right and good, right?

The same thing goes on in a million other video games.  People see Tingle as evil because he isn't waving his own personal banner.  If he were to be waving the Hylian flag in FSA, you'd be less reluctant to let him have 'that one Force Gem', wouldn't you?

Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 22, 2007, 07:16:03 PM
But... But... Redeads are UNDEAD man! They have no need for moneys in the afterlife!

(Why this topic has gotten so absurd that we're discussing existantial fairness and political correctness in a fantasy video game simply BOGGLES the mind!)

ReDeads are still people, though. Dead, rotting people/zombies, but people none the less.

I disapprove of violence in the general direction of Zelda enemies. That octorok has a family to support, too! And the selfish sport of dodongo bombing is causing a serious decline of wild dodongo populations!

And when you kill Ganon, you murder the only male gerudo for this century!

i like pink octorocks, but their so easy to kill  :(

What the hell?

Where did that come from?

I think you have the wrong thread, dude.

Fisk was talking about octorocks, and pink octorocks usually have rupees

Well, regardless, let's get back on topic. :P

Still, even with all of this cruelty to monsters stuff, if I was walking about Hyrule, and saw a monster coming towards me, the first thing I probably would do is try to kill it. Really, it's a life or death situation here! And I wouldn't be suprised if Link felt the same.

QuoteUhh... I'd just like to point out that the redeads, wizzrobes AND moblins all work for Ganon. So there.

No they don't, unless Ganon influenced the events in for instance MM and TMC. I also tend to think redeads are just convenient leftovers from times gone by than actually working for Ganon.

P.S., about not needing money in the after life, various ancient cultures thought VERY differently. I also suggest playing Grim Fandango. ;)

QuoteStill, even with all of this cruelty to monsters stuff, if I was walking about Hyrule, and saw a monster coming towards me, the first thing I probably would do is try to kill it. Really, it's a life or death situation here! And I wouldn't be suprised if Link felt the same.

You do? I disapprove of cruelty to animals. If it all were real, I'd try to flee first and only if that wouldn't work, I would try to scare/hurt the creature, but still not kill it.

Quote from: LadyNintendo on August 26, 2007, 12:44:31 AM
You do? I disapprove of cruelty to animals. If it all were real, I'd try to flee first and only if that wouldn't work, I would try to scare/hurt the creature, but still not kill it.

I disapprove of cruelty to real animals also, however, there is a big difference between animal and monster. And if I've learned one thing from Zelda, it's that monsters are never discouraged by multiple stab wounds, or the sight of their comrades dying. Plus, I really doubt that you could someone could scare one of those monsters away. The scariest thing Link ever could do was put on that Hero's Charm in TWW, and the monster's didn't ingnore hom.

The fact that people took me seriously is rather amusing, actually. I mean, I'm not one for animal abuse/cruelty. I'm all for animal welfare, really.

And I really would like to not have to kill the enemies in Zelda, but I do anyways. I mean, if I were Link, Hyrule would be dead. But they respawn (except for bosses/mid-bosses) and stuff. o_o

the only enemy i couldnt kill would be Dark Link  :(but hes not an animal  ;)

Killing monsters is one of the funnest things to do in the game for me, along with the puzzles and adventuring. I can't help but feel happy when I slay an entire legion of enemies, and frankly, their one and only purpose in the games is to get killed right?