Well, as anyone can see, most of the members love manga and anime. :D So, if there are ones we like, then there must be ones we don't like very much, too. So, which ones don't you like?
The one I like the least is Ghost in the Shell. I saw one episode and thought it might be good, but hten about three episodes later I realized the truth: it was crap. No style at all. A complete bore. 4KIDS One Piece was better. 4KIDS ONE PIECE! :-[
I don't like Kenshin either (I can't spell the full name). I actually think it is a very great series, but I just can't get into it. It is still a great series, however.
Yugioh, Yugioh GX, and Capsule Monster Chest. No explanation. The Abridged Series are awesome, though.
So, what about you? Which don't you like?
hikaru no go, sports manga, girly manga and gross manga :-*
Manga loves = Loveless, Peacemaker, Pokemon
Manga hates = Not quite sure; I don't read things I dislike.
Anime loves = Loveless (though it's crap compared to the manga)
Anime hates = Pokemon, Peacemaker Kurogane
Let's see, in the anime department I like Gundam, Fullmetal alchemist, Yugioh abidged, and Naruto is okay.
I don't like Mecha anime that potrays giant robots like superheros. They're supposed to be non-sentient war machines people! :P
I can't say much for manga since I don't read it. I picked up a Shonen Jump once, and nothing really caught my eye.
I might consider a *coughs* warning for that... YOU KNOW NOTHING! THe animation was really high quality, you're probably too impatient to really get into it, being as young as you are...
Now for my side of the story... (Prepare for a rant)
Anything of over 100 episodes in length. Naruto, Dragon Balls, and One Piece are the primary ones. The thing is, is that they always end up extending the series for the sake of extending it. With a short series, you're allowed more action and dynamics. Most people have no idea and are often spoiled by the conventional animes like Naruto and One Piece. Popularity means nothing to me. It's about what appeals to me directly on many levels.
Ghost in the Shell is NOT for children of 13 years or younger. Parts of it are violent and talk about politics of the modern world, modern issues... Stuff that young people wouldn't really be able to relate too well as to be able to appreciate the high quality of the story and relevance in Today's world.
I also tried Ergo Proxy, but I had already seen so many others that dealt with similar themes and with a stronger story/atmosphere that it ended up coming off decidedly weak.
ghost in the shell sounds so borring :-* i watch anime to get away from realistic stuff
I dont like Dragon Ball Z, there's just nothing that gets me.
And Tokyo Mew Mew, again, no substance that appeals to me.
QuoteGhost in the Shell is NOT for children of 13 years or younger. Parts of it are violent and talk about politics of the modern world, modern issues... Stuff that young people wouldn't really be able to relate too well as to be able to appreciate the high quality of the story and relevance in Today's world.
I'm gonna see GITS:Innocence in September in London. i've never seen any GITS before but everyone recommended it to me so I wanted to give it a go. It better be good because an expensive 1 and a half hour train journey with my brother isn't pleasant.
Dragonball Z, YuYu Hakusho, Fullmetal Alchemist, Naruto, Bleach are the anime/mangas i like.. i feel like im forgeting something.. either that or its just because i feel like im going to fall over right now... *falls over*
Dragonball Z is the first one I can think of that I don't like. I'm sure there's more but I can't think of 'em.
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 26, 2007, 08:28:47 PMPopularity means nothing to me. It's about what appeals to me directly on many levels.
Same here. Naruto didn't get popular until after I began reading the manga, and it was brought to... (shudders)... CartoonNetwork ??? ??? ???
Ghost in the Shell was too original to be entertaining in my opinion. Yes, original is good, but it became original in such a realistic-world-setting way that there was no fun in it at all. And half of all the "issues" are just made up for the plot to move, just like anything in Naruto or One Piece you don't like.
Dragon Ball and all other series that are about the characters in Dragon Ball are just terrible. No plot, little development, and far too many battles puts it second on my least favorite mangas list, the first being Ghost in the Shell. If they were to have less fights and more development and plot, it would make a very good series, but otherwise it's crap. And it is one of the few manga that is truly full of deus ex machina, thus making the attacks too powerful to be cool. Not even JQ's view of Naruto is at that extreme.
I actually prefer manga that JQ definds as "overlengthed" than shorter ones. If all you're going to read is just a bunch of short tiny manga, alot of which will be a single volume, then none of them would truly be notable to you and they would just be "just another manga series you like". With the longer ones, you get more attached to the characters and the seires as a whole, and, with few exceptions, you see loads of development and plot twists that make it interesting to read. Probably the most notable case of the former is Naruto (despite whatever argument JQ will cook up) and the latter being Bleach (the Soul Society scandal was simply brilliant).
And yes, JQ, Naruto is full of development. If you see how much Hinata Hyuga, Neji Hyuga, Gaara, Shikamaru Nara, Tsunade, Sakura, Sasuke, and Naruto himself and tell me that there isn't development, then you must have gone nuts (more than usual :P ).
The only thing you know about development is your limited perception of anime shows. They still act the same in the end as they did in the beginning. There's no personal growth. Try NGE for that, where we see that the people learn more about themselves, emotionally develop or fragmentally fall apart.
Issues addressed in Ghost in the Shell
Terrorism
Overpopulation
Immigration
Revolution
Realization of humanity
Self awareness of human and nonhuman subjects.
In the second season, I was shocked as to how many issues of the modern world were presented. There were suicide bombings, immigration problems, riots, a government trying to cope, a bearucracy that was screwed up. And let's not forget the prominent role of corruption of those in government offices of Japan.
All of which are very relevant issues for the modern world, and especially done in such a vivid manner. Hardly 'made up for the sake of plot progression'.
QuoteI actually prefer manga that JQ definds as "overlengthed" than shorter ones. If all you're going to read is just a bunch of short tiny manga, alot of which will be a single volume, then none of them would truly be notable to you and they would just be "just another manga series you like". With the longer ones, you get more attached to the characters and the seires as a whole, and, with few exceptions, you see loads of development and plot twists that make it interesting to read. Probably the most notable case of the former is Naruto (despite whatever argument JQ will cook up) and the latter being Bleach (the Soul Society scandal was simply brilliant).
*Chokes* Must.....breathe....to.........answer...... :-[
Okay, I do not read a lot of manga (I do watch a lot of anime). I do however read LOTS of comics, most from the Netherlands, Belgium and France. I'm going through my collection now, finding:
*The Dragon of Mons (2 comics which could just as well be one)
*Pacush Blues (4 in total, of which I haven't read 2)
*The Starchasers (possibly more, but I've only read the first one)
*Soda (read one out of three)
*The Bottom of the World (three)
*Letters from a Bar (one I think)
*STYX (one)
*Daddy (two I think)
*Children of the Wind (five)
...and so on. There are quite a few I haven't named. Anyway, these are all no more than five volumes long. And I can't say I'm less attached to their characters then I am to the characters from for instance ElfQuest, Storm or Franka. At least, they don't fight like coarse cows only to distract from the fact the series offers nothing else. Growing in series like DBZ or Naruto means nothing more than either becoming stronger or switching teams.
I found the soul society arc of BLEACH to be oversized. It kept stretching itself further and further for the sake of suspense. That is not an attractive quality when you don't have the time to pick up this kind of stuff.
Neither of you haven't actually watched/read the series, so you have no idea how wrong you are. Take Gaara, for example. At his introduction he was a bloodthirsty and sadistic maniac who had a demon sealed inside of him and the star of a tragic past that haunted him, let alone be hated by everyone in his village, but now he is a caring and kind individual who attempts in any way possible to stop bloodshed, has proved his seperate existence from his demon, and is now well-liked by the villagers, so much so that they made him their leader.
If that isn't development, then either you are just disagreeing because you hate the series or you've "puffed too many magic dragons". (Sorry, couldn't resist a Puff the Magic Dragon joke)
Okay. I just wanted to step in and say that while you obviously have different opinions on Manga, and discussing these differences are fine, please refrain from insulting the series directly and just say what you don't like about it, and understand that there are people with different tastes.
I'll try my best to do that, Shikamaru. For example, I prefer manga that have loads of development and great fights, and Naruto, Bleach, and MAR fight under that description.
MAR only had 16 pages per chapter, and most of it was spent fighting in the second half of the series, so alot was left out, but it was still a great series.
What made it great, however, was its fast-moving speed. Even for one 102 episodes long it was very fast moving. About one third of it was fillers. I won't complain, as the fillers were actually good for once. Rather than simply do it to lengthen the gap between the anime and manga, they decided to give otherwise minor characters, like Loco or Pano, more in-depth personality. In the fillers the characters actually developed, while the fillers also had affect on the series rather than random space fillers. To be honest, the fillers made the anime great.
Oooh... I just remembered another manga I can't stand.
Battle Vixens (Ikki Tousen) Fan Service Overload, 'nuff said.
Quote from: Whocares on September 01, 2007, 10:13:45 AMI prefer manga that have loads of development and great fights......
and most of it was spent fighting in the second half of the series, so alot was left out, but it was still a great series.
This is what is known as a paradox. I was getting sick of the soul society arc Because there was too much fighting/extensiveness to it. Sure, most people wouldn't mind it but the way that BLEACH went about it was a bit overkill. After finishing the Soul Society arc, I see no point in going back to Bleach.
Try watching an anime that doesn't have fights every Five minutes. You'll see what we mean by development.
And ooh-la-la. Gaara is a demon now he's a caring individual. Talk about one of the most cliche character developments ever. Especially so in Anime.
Er... development-wise, Gaara just changed his outlook on life more than anything else. Ritsuka (a la Loveless) did the same thing. I wouldn't say it's development.
I'm going to stay out of this for now, but fights generally don't help characters develop more emotionally.
Going from bloodthirsty killer to a kind and caring person is personality development. ::)
It doesn't sound like very realistic character development.
The thing is, you have to see it to really know what it is.
QuoteNeither of you haven't actually watched/read the series, so you have no idea how wrong you are. Take Gaara, for example. At his introduction he was a bloodthirsty and sadistic maniac who had a demon sealed inside of him and the star of a tragic past that haunted him, let alone be hated by everyone in his village, but now he is a caring and kind individual who attempts in any way possible to stop bloodshed, has proved his seperate existence from his demon, and is now well-liked by the villagers, so much so that they made him their leader.
Touché, but ehm....the reason I have no intention of watching this, is because what I've read about it. I usually can very well decide whether I will like a show or not, based on descriptions like yours, fanboy, fangirl and fan attitude around the internet and of course, Wikipedia. I have yet to find a show I was wrong about after studying what I found on internet (and no, I am not afraid to admit I was wrong.).
Oh and your description of Gaara has
Gary Stu written ALL OVER IT. That's not development. Demons in and out of a character rarely are development, because stuff like that allows a character to do the most horrible things, without him/her being guilty of any of it, thus keeping a "pure" soul all the time. In other words, he hasn't changed a bit. Oh lookie, and he now is the leader! Wow, isn't that just swell...... 8)
The Fanboys and Fangirls started when it was brought to America and they started showing it on Cartoon Network. Then the little kids started watching it and ran around acting like the characters and stuff. Pein is actually a good example of this.
I don't hate any particular series, mostly because if I don't like plot of a series I don't read it. I wouldn't want to waste my time and then complain about how I wasted so and so minutes reading it. But there have a been a few that I've read that haven't held my interest despite having an attractive plot.
The thing that probably throws me off the most are the characters. The stereotypes, I suppose. They aren't in every series, but in most mainstream series they are. The hero who overcomes the obstacles, the angsting anti-hero, ect ect.
I like series like Saiyuki, Loveless, and Earthian.
But if I had to pick one that I didn't like, I'd have to say...things like Tokyo mew mew. ):
I hate Suikoden III, but only because I can't find Vol. 2 anywhere. :-*
DX I hate when you can't find the next number in the series you're reading. Or when they are all out of order. Yes. I am obsessive compulsive. :3
Or when there's a series you want but they only have volume 8 ><
I didn't like Suikoden III it wasn't my thing.
Another manga that I didn't like so much was Ororon, it was Okay, but I wasn't a fan of the art style, the plot wasn't too bad, nothing special.
Oh yes. Thats annoying as well.
Hmm. I just thought of one that I would light on fire if given the change. Excel Saga.
Aw, that made me sad. :(
I happen to find Excel Saga hilarious, but to each their own, right?
To each their own ^_^
I had to weigh in here. I just had to.
My favorite Manga series are: Loveless, Ouran High School Host Club, Rurouni Kenshin, Kingdom Hearts (especially CoM), and Deathnote
The only manga I dislike is Naruto. I just didnt find it to be very interesting...
I beagn to read FullMoon and that too was pretty good... not to mention FMA was also allright. Overall though my favorite is Ouran.
And I am tickled pink to see that there are other Loveless lovers out there!! ;D ;D
I'm not telling you that it's a good series and you should read it, LadyNintendo, or anything similar to that, but that you haven't watched the series to know just how the characters develop. Gaara HAS developed, not just the "ZOMG! He has only switched a tiny aspect of his life!!!" you and JQ give him credit for. And for both of you to know, I could just as easily say a series you like that I haven't watched/read has no development besides the equivelent of "switching teams".
I suggest you read Wikipedia's articles for Gaara and Neji Hyuga to get very good examles on Naruto development (and yes, you have to read it). Otherwise, you'll have little idea of anything you're talking about,
You think she hasn't already read the so called articles over there?
The truth lies in the middle. I HAVE read the article about Gaara, but not the other guy's (considering the number of Naruto related articles, I was bound to miss one or two). But since it is some time ago, I am rereading Gaara's now and reading Neji's. Do not think I am going to stubbornly hold on to my previous opinion in order to not look foolish or something if I'm still not impressed. IF I like what I read I will say so. IF I don't, I will say so too.
Oh....my Sendell (http://twinsunica.waxo.nl/index.php/Sendell) :-\
If you'd like to say Wikipedia's articles aren't all that great, I'm going to give you that chance. Otherwise, this certainly hasn't made anything better. I like some of the ideas of the setting of Naruto, which influence the characters, but certainly I can't call this anymore than meager "development" (yes, including the ""). This isn't real development, this is pink fluffy edited Sailor Moon, DBZ and any random anime that these days makes it to western television for no other reason than that the tv top thinks anything else would be too difficult-development. What I mean is, good and bad are obvious, rather than that there's a fine line. It throws stereotypical not-indivuals (also known as "the rest of the village") in the mix, that serve no other purpose than to make the life of the main characters all the more tragic. It uses mainly/only violence to make characters aware of their flaws, which is rather sad if that's the only thing someone is willing to listen too. To make things worse, it has an overrepresented main character with an overused personality. Not to mention the show, like many others of its kind, seriously needs to watch Argaï or read ElfQuest to learn how not too overrepresent one of the two genders.
While I do believe the show is (/can be, matter of taste) entertaining, it just doesn't appear to have any development deeper than a random belly button. Note me saying "appear", as I'm willing to believe that Wikipedia could do a much better job at decribing Naruto's characters. If I'm wrong, please tell me by anything more than just "You're wrong" or that nice little threat that is the third sentence of your latest post. Speaking of which, before you go on a "right-back-at-you" tour, let me assure you that I do not consider everything I like to be filled with (real) development. They have other qualities, that Naruto might have (I can't tell from WIkipedia's info).
I'll just tell you now, the main reason Naruto's articles aren't as good as they can be is because we're preoccupied with three other things that come beforehand:
1) Some complete and total <censor> <censor> <censor> (a day later) <censor> has basically been going around Wikipedia going "No Images! My word is Law!!!!!" and referencing not actual policies, but a mass of information he collected. It's very annoying.
2) We're attempting to get more references on the articles.
3) Need out-of-universe information and tone.
Not to mention the whole "Crusade Against Naruto/Anime And Manga As A Whole" many members are doing throughout Wikipedia. I myself would attempt helping them (most of the references on the Naruto Uzumaki article were put there by me), but I'm currently more preoccupied with the Bleach articles right now (they give an article to everyone that can't be described in one paragraph).
I do suggest, however, you read Akatsuki (Naruto), a very well-written article with 150 references (FAR more than that of the average Wikipedian article). Even if you don't like the series, the characters listed there are awesome.