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Zelda Lore => Theories => Topic started by: darkphantomime on September 03, 2007, 12:59:15 PM

Title: A New Theory
Post by: darkphantomime on September 03, 2007, 12:59:15 PM
While I was riding in the car today, I was thinking some  random thoughts... Then I started to think about Kaeporo Gaeboro, the owl of OoT... And I started to think... maybe he isn't really the physical incarnation of Rauru, sage of light. But maybe he is in fact an ancient Sage of Time. If you think about it for a bit, methinks you'd come to see that it would make a fair bit of sense.

Not that it's anything major, just a new idea I'm putting out there... It could be possible that KG, like the King of Red Lions is in fact an ancient incarnation of the King of Hyrule, and the Sage of Time to boot.
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Fishalicious on September 03, 2007, 05:27:17 PM
Wouldn't it be crazy if KG were a physical incarnation of the Sage of Wisdom? I mean, granted, yes, he is male... but incarnation is above gender, no?
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: darkphantomime on September 04, 2007, 05:37:08 AM
Sage of Wisdom = Sage of Time = Princess Zelda('s bloodline)

So, meh, it's all the same.
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Keaton on September 04, 2007, 12:20:41 PM
Eh, no, not really.  I don't see any 'evidence' that this is even a remotely plausible theory, in all honesty.  Give me a nice list of examples and evidence, and I may just be persuaded to think honestly, but as of right now I think that it's all just conjecture.

I mean, if KG was indeed a sage of time, wouldn't they play a more crucial role in MM than simply helping link get the Lens of Truth? :P
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: darkphantomime on September 04, 2007, 01:23:04 PM
It's the same thing both ways, there's no legitimate proof that he's the sage of light (Rauru) either, only conjecture. The only thing we know is that A) he was a sage, B) He somehow knows Link well, and C) He can tell that Link has been going back and forth in time, even to the point of appearing subtly after you're taught the Requiem of Spirit.

He is aware of Link's time travels, but I don't really believe him to be Rauru...

Of course, this opens all kind of possibilities that we haven't been able to hold onto... We know of only TWO potentional 'ancient sages', but everyone else is a mystery. Of course, that isn't the point.

And what about the Owl statues being able to transport you in an instant? Isn't that a role within Majora's Mask? (Even though it really isn't 'active'.)
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Keaton on September 04, 2007, 01:27:42 PM
True, but teleportation isn't the same thing as temporal fluxuation, when you get down to it.  Could he be some sort of Space Sage, then? :P

Maybe he's the Einstein Sage... hmm.
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Zoratunic on September 04, 2007, 06:00:26 PM
I've never thought about it that way, JQ, and they never specifically say that KG is the reincarnation of Rauru. However, Rauru may be controlling Kaepora Gabora, like how how the King of Hyrule controlled the King of Red Lions. It's been a few years since I've played OOT, so I may be wrong.
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Keaton on September 05, 2007, 02:11:42 PM
I'll admit, that's plausible.  However, I'm sure that they would've made that more clear in the games.  Also, when Rauru tells you what happened with the Temple of Time and Ganon, he doesn't ask if you need to hear it all again! :D
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: IronKnuckle on September 05, 2007, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Fighter on September 04, 2007, 06:00:26 PM
I've never thought about it that way, JQ, and they never specifically say that KG is the reincarnation of Rauru.
Ok, well one gissip stone says that KG is the reincarnation of an ancient sage. Another says that although KG looks heavy, he is actually quite light. Some think that this is a pun on light sage. It is possible KG could be the reincarnation of another light sage, but not Ruaru. Ruaru is clearly alive, thus he couldn't have been reicarnated.
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Keaton on September 05, 2007, 08:13:11 PM
Sages don't necessarily have to have the same physical and non-physical forms, I suppose.
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: LadyNintendo on September 05, 2007, 11:50:36 PM
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on September 05, 2007, 06:38:45 PM
Quote from: Fighter on September 04, 2007, 06:00:26 PM
I've never thought about it that way, JQ, and they never specifically say that KG is the reincarnation of Rauru.
Ok, well one gissip stone says that KG is the reincarnation of an ancient sage. Another says that although KG looks heavy, he is actually quite light. Some think that this is a pun on light sage. It is possible KG could be the reincarnation of another light sage, but not Ruaru. Ruaru is clearly alive, thus he couldn't have been reincarnated.

traditional reincarnation would be difficult to apply on Rauru-KG, but who says traditional reincarnation is correct or the only option. If I remember correctly, ALTTP had a lot of Dark World/Light World linking characters.

Also, how is Rauru clearly alive? Remember the Flute Boy from ALTTP?
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Hi no Seijin on September 06, 2007, 05:45:25 AM
I said I wouldn't drag myself into this, but I can't pass this up.

In the world of video games, something is not alive unless you can get stab-happy with it and it dies.  I cannot get stab-happy with Rauru, and therefore, he must not be alive.
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Commodore Axilon on September 06, 2007, 12:26:56 PM
Quote from: LadyNintendo on September 05, 2007, 11:50:36 PM
traditional reincarnation would be difficult to apply on Rauru-KG, but who says traditional reincarnation is correct or the only option. If I remember correctly, ALTTP had a lot of Dark World/Light World linking characters.

And what is this other definition of reincarnation you know that we don't?

QuoteAlso, how is Rauru clearly alive? Remember the Flute Boy from ALTTP?

How is Link "clearly alive" in any of the games? For that matter, how are any of the characters "clearly alive?" Rauru has all the characteristics of a living person, ergo Occam's Razor says he's alive. Why should we assume he's dead? You're really grasping at straws here.
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Keaton on September 06, 2007, 01:23:55 PM
Semantics also demand that Rauru is alive.  Living people speak, move, and blink.  Rauru speaks, moves, and blinks.  Therefore, Rauru must be alive.

Dogs bark, seals bark.  Dogs must be seals.  Semantics is cool like that.
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Bboy94 on September 10, 2007, 07:32:18 PM
Uh, just letting you know this is a pretty old theory. Its been floating around for a while, never accepted for the same reasons stated here.
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Keaton on September 11, 2007, 03:55:04 AM
(The previous statement made especially amusing by the fact that 'accepted' was misspelled)
Title: Re:A New Theory
Post by: Mysterious F. on January 01, 2008, 04:31:04 PM
I think Mr. Owlly-Owl there is just the reincarnation of a regular sage. Not a huge sage like one the the Seven Sages, or the Earth or Wind Sages, but just a sage. He has magical powers and stuff, but he isn't very powerful. He's just a regular sage.

Also, has anyone else ever thought of asking him how many licks it takes to get to the Tootsie Roll center of a Tootsie Pop? (serious question)