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Look at this. http://youtube.com/watch?v=GJc9x7GZIIA
There are other UFO 9/11 sightings videos on Youtube, too. This is certainly odd, however.
F A K E
I SAY NAY. and whooop pa de do da.
NO its NOT. or is it.
Its the 70's
ITS A CONSPIRACY MAN!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: alex on October 02, 2007, 04:53:22 PM
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One word post. Sorry.
And this seems like it's going to be nought but spam...
OK. lets just let this on die off. Or ya kwno what. LOCK IT UP.
QuoteOr ya kwno what. LOCK IT UP.
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Are you bossing me around...?
8)
You DO know that you can lock your own topics...right...?
There are a few problems with this video though, for one thing, that plane shown at the end, it asks if you see any markings of any airliners you know of. There's a VERY big problem though, how are you even able to SEE anything when it's so blurry?
Another thing, those little things dropping off on the right - that's debris, and that's why it's falling off at that angle. And look - the 'mysterious plane' crashes right into that tower on the left, meaning that it is, in fact one of the two hijacked planes headed towards New York.
I'm sorry, but these kinds of videos sicken me. I can't believe anyone believes there's a government conspiracy behind 9/11, one of America's worst disasters ever. I'm a not a believer in these kinds of things. If there were aliens, wouldn't they make themselves known? Thats why I say UFO sightings, Bigfoot, Nessie, Unicorns, Trolls, and the Chupathingy aren't real. Oh, and I DON'T believe in faries, thank you very much.
Quote from: Black Belt on October 05, 2007, 04:19:38 PM
If there were aliens, wouldn't they make themselves known? Thats why I say UFO sightings, Bigfoot, Nessie, Unicorns, Trolls, and the Chupathingy aren't real.
To roughly quote Gil Grissom from
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation:
"If there is anything out there watching us, then I believe that they would be wise enough to stay away from us."
They don't NEED to make themselves known.
I'll still think that they wouldn't travel across the galaxy just to fly by for five seconds. I'm not saying that I don't think there is life out there, but I don't believe sightings made by one or a small group of people, due to one thing, human nature. If a large group in a public place sees one, and get hard evidence for it, then I'll believe.
Which is understandable. After all, there really isn't that much credible evidence for us to balance on, is there? ???
Ummm, Black Belt, if you were planning on secretly attacking a country, would you want them to know about it? The same would go for these aliens, they rather just keep themselves unknown for whatever reason.
And there ARE aliens, techniqually we're aliens. If life exists here, then why not on another planet? Jupiter, which is relatively close to Earth on a cosmic scale, itself could have life on it.
For your second post, there was this one time when a Solar Eclipse struck Mexico City, and all around the entire city alien sightings occured around roughly the same time period. There are many examples of many occuring one.
Quote from: Whocares on October 06, 2007, 11:41:37 AM
Ummm, Black Belt, if you were planning on secretly attacking a country, would you want them to know about it? The same would go for these aliens, they rather just keep themselves unknown for whatever reason.
Yet they leave their "victims" alive to tell everybody about their "encounters?" Wouldn't they just vaporize anybody who sees them if this were the case? Or, at the very least, capture them and
not send them back to Earth?
QuoteAnd there ARE aliens, techniqually we're aliens. If life exists here, then why not on another planet? Jupiter, which is relatively close to Earth on a cosmic scale, itself could have life on it.
Jupiter is a gas giant, it's impossible for life to develop there. I believe you're thinking of Europa, one of its moons.
QuoteFor your second post, there was this one time when a Solar Eclipse struck Mexico City, and all around the entire city alien sightings occured around roughly the same time period. There are many examples of many occuring one.
It's called mass hysteria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria).
When did I say it was HUMAN life? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jupiter#Possibility_of_life) Plant species can feed on minerals found in Jupiter's atmoshpere. The Miller-Urey experiment showed that a combination of lightning (found in Jupiter's atmoshpere) and certain chemical compunds (many of which are in Jupiter's atmosphere) can produce building blocks for life.
Fine, but life developing on Europa is far more likely. (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/Commodore_Axilon/Forum%20Crap/linkwink.gif)
When did I say there wasn't? Along with Saturn's Titan, Europa is one of the moons most likely to contain life.
Did I ever say you did? I'm just pointing that out in a friendly manner, Whocares, hence the smiley. No need to get snippy.
There was reported life on Mars. Tiny little bacteria on a rock.
I think if aliens exist, then they probably won't be little green men in spaceships. >_>
I'm not saying there isn't a possibility of life out there. Especially Jupiter and Europa. Anyone ever read the space odyssey series by Arthur c. Clarke? What I'm saying is, if aliens were coming in peace, they wouldn't hide. If they were coming in not peace, if they had the technology for advanced space travel, then they should have the technology to nuke the planet. And I agree with Commadore on the Mass Hysteria thing.
Mabye it could be an entirely different goal from the two you listed, you know.
And I agree, it definitely isn't little green men like the media portrayes. I preefer to think they would be like one of the War of the Worlds aliens (both the book (tentacled things) and the Tom Cruise movie (three-legged creatures) ones).
So anything that would appear hostile? That was the general premise of the 'little green men' that the 'media portrayed', so by that definition, you're going exactly with what you said that you were against - the media.
But is it like aliens really matter all that much? They see what they see and most would say do not interfere. There is only speculation that they exist, and so what if they do? We'd greet them with hostility either way...
...You just like disagreeing with anything I say, don't you? :(
And did I ever say "I want them to be as hostile as Hitler!"? No, I only said I disagree with them being little-green men. I think they should be unhumanlike, rather than exactly like us with a few minor exceptions. And by unhumanlike I don't mean hostile. For all I care they could look like Pikachu or Kuriboh or whatever, as long as they are not too much like primates.
Or the other way around, you know: they could greet us with hostility.
Any species that has advanced to the point of interstellar space travel, must by rational implication, be enlightened enough not to use violence. At least that's the way we would generally think about it... It's generally a collary rather than a set fact where we have evidence to support it.
the key word to my last post was 'media portrayal'. That's what I meant when I said that.
Someone 600 years ago could have said "Anyone advanced enough to circle the globe must be too advanced for violence". They would be wrong, and it is likely you aretoo. In my opinion, the more advanced you are, the more violent you tend to be. Put Niger in comparison to America, for example. The former is the least developed nation in the world, and is relatively neutral and stays out of wars. America is very advanced, and is incredibly active. Don't get me started on China, either.
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on October 07, 2007, 12:49:07 PM
Any species that has advanced to the point of interstellar space travel, must by rational implication, be enlightened enough not to use violence. At least that's the way we would generally think about it... It's generally a collary rather than a set fact where we have evidence to support it.
The hell...? For a "rational implication" it seems to be quite a leap in logic. Why exactly would a species capable of interstellar travel necessarily have to be peaceful?
Exactly. We can circle around the globe through the air and through the water, but does that make us peaceful? They're doing the exact same thing, but on a much wider and more advanced scale.
Because they would be enlightened enough to survive nuclear annihilation and all potentional world conflicts on their planet.
'Enlightened' because they probably would need a great deal of effort to harness the power needed for space travel. But then again, I'm only really going by what a certain vulcan once said, heh...
What about Iran? Iraq? North Africa? What about the Darfur region? Violence does not come about due to increase in technology, it comes about because people see a need to destroy for their own greed/will or personal beliefs.
And if these people had access to greater technology you think it would be any different?
No, it wouldn't. Look at the Prime Directive: No interference on worlds that have yet to reach the level of interstellar warp travel or equivalent technologies. A culture has to learn to settle its own conflicts on its own, rather than use advanced technology to destroy their opponents, which on a side note, the US has done in many cases throughout history when such an interference served advantageous for US interests. Cases include Vietnam, the Middle East, and Africa. Once upon a time, both Sadaam Hussein and Bin Ladin were 'good' for america...
Quote from: Whocares on October 07, 2007, 12:33:22 PM
I think they should be unhumanlike, rather than exactly like us with a few minor exceptions.
Uhhhh what do you mean "they should?" If we don't know how they look, then... well, take it like this:
Fisk: That puppy shouldn't look like that.
Seme: Why?
Fisk: Because puppies
should have all their limbs.
Fisk: That salamander (referring to the fictional fire lizard, not the amphibious one!) shouldn't look like that.
Seme: Why?
Fisk: Because everyone knows salamanders have two legs.
Seme: That's not necessarily true; it's a fictional(/non-discovered in this case) animal, so there are a lot of different ways of imagining them!
I'm sure "aliens" exist, but I wouldn't think they're little green men, or would try to travel and visit earth, or make crop circles...
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on October 07, 2007, 12:49:07 PM
Any species that has advanced to the point of interstellar space travel, must by rational implication, be enlightened enough not to use violence. At least that's the way we would generally think about it... It's generally a collary rather than a set fact where we have evidence to support it.
Like several othe people have stated, even if they had the technology to travel the universe, that doesn't necessarliy mean they are peaceful in nature. This can be seenthrough examples in human history, such as the European exploration of the Americas.
I like how arguing about whether aliens exist really changes whether they do or not.
Hmmm, lets see if I exist!
*Bites hand*
Yep. I exist. Otherwise I'd go through myself. And yes, I really just did bite my hand, it wasn't a joke.
I suggest you look at Wikipedia's extraterrestrial life article, as it lists planets likely to have forms of life on them.
Wikipedia isn't a reliable source of information....
Er, the whole thing about that would be the fact that they might be able to support life on the planets. As in, there is a chance that they might, or they might not.
Honestly, I'm not sure exactly why people care so much about whether or not aliens exist; I'd rather know what exists below the sea, I mean, it's closer to us and we know less about it that space... not to mention I think it's more important to know what's on... you know, our planet.
Thirty years from now, I'd like to have light bulbs... and if something under the sea can help us keep our light bulbs, then goddammit, let's explore the sea!
not to mention some fish look more alien than I could ever possibly hope to imagine
The sea is basically a large body of wtaer with fish, squid, octopus, and other aquatic life living in it. Oil and other natural resources can be found there in some places.
You know, Fisk, there's WAY more to learn about space than about the ocean. Other life. Conditions of planets and moons. Learning exactly how our universe was created (please don't respond to that by basically throwing religion into everybody's faces). With seas and oceans, all we can learn is more species, which has a 7 out of 10 chance of not having any real importance, and find resources that will only burn away with time. Space has infinite possibilities.
And if you think Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, then stop whinning about it and join to make it what you call a reliable source, like I did. Simple as that.
Quote from: Fisk on October 12, 2007, 03:34:32 PM
not to mention I think it's more important to know what's on... you know, our planet.
And? We can't do both at once?
Quote from: Whocares on October 12, 2007, 04:37:25 PM
And if you think Wikipedia isn't a reliable source, then stop whinning about it and join to make it what you call a reliable source, like I did. Simple as that.
Or maybe, you know, accept that it's a terrible source. Saying something isn't a good source doesn't give you some divine imperative to make it better.
[citation needed]
For one thing, you're generalizing about what is in the sea. You could make the exact same statement about space, that space 'is just an emptiness full of dust and matter'. But everything has inherent complexities - there is a lot more that we don't know about the sea that we should know. The sea can be extremely strange, as it not only is a place, it is a thing that has direct influence over the environment, with the delicate ecosystems everywhere, if the balance becomes erupted in that ecosystem, it directly effects us.
There is a mystery and an intrique in both space and the sea, but the sea is so strange, the life in the sea is so strange, still too much we don't know, just as most of us don't know the mysteries in the blacks of space, the same is true of the darks of the sea.
Space is only an empty hole with little to no gravity. Not very many natural resources there, either.
I'm not trying to say that space exploration is stupid... but... er, we know more about deep space than we do about deep ocean. Not that it's a bad thing, but we're more likely to cheaply get natural resources in the ocean... there's thousands of species, HUGE amounts of pressure, etc... and we could get food there, too.
You need food and natural resources to explore space. ^^; Well, effectively explore space. Not to mention the pressure under water could help with low-pressure things, like space and vacuums.
Did you know Sharks are immune to Cancer, AIDS, and other highly deadly things we humans often die of? We could get the cure for cancer from sharks. We could end the cancer regime.
Scientifically, both areas are debatably high in information. Fish hold a magic to them; they're immune to several diseases, and we use fish for so many things! Food, medicine, cosmetics, science... Space rocks don't hold as much rich information. And if we found aliens, I doubt anything good would come of it. "HEY LOOK AN ALIEN... LETS SEE IF IT CAN TALK." "IT CAN'T." "CUT IT OPEN AND SEE IF ITS INSIDES ARE BLOO! 8D"
I'm not whining about Wiki; the owner said Wiki isn't a liable source of information, due to the fact that people can go in and edit it. Not that I agree by any means...
Quote from: Fisk on October 12, 2007, 04:53:28 PM
I'm not trying to say that space exploration is stupid... but... er, we know more about deep space than we do about deep ocean.
No we don't. I don't think you realize just how vast space is.
hmmm.
if you really do think about how HUGELY VAST space really is, theres got to be other life out there somewhere, theres like a bagillion stars just like our sun...
SCARRRRYYYY
Space is vast, yes; and I suppose I was wrong in saying that we know more about it than deep sea. However, the sea, too, is vast. And it effects us more than space (not that space doesn't effect us.) so I think it's just a little bit more important. Keep in mind that this is just my opinion, not trying to destroy anyone else's opinion.
... Okay... if we knew sharks were imune to cancer, AIDS, etc. ... why haven't the scientists done anything yet? ::)
They HAVE. But it's not so simple as 'magically' transporting the shark's ability to a human.
Yes, Shark and Human DNA isn't exactly what you would call 'similar'
Quote from: Fisk on October 12, 2007, 05:17:46 PM
Space is vast, yes; and I suppose I was wrong in saying that we know more about it than deep sea. However, the sea, too, is vast. And it effects us more than space (not that space doesn't effect us.) so I think it's just a little bit more important. Keep in mind that this is just my opinion, not trying to destroy anyone else's opinion.
Space is way more vast than the ocean, on the scale of 10
googol times bigger than our ocean. And there may be more promise in the ocean right now, but if space exploration keeps advancing, we may be colinizing the galaxy some day.