Okay this has been bothering me for a while and has brought many questions.
Okay in TP the area that the Master Sword is located in, in the sacred grove, surrounding it appears to be the ruins of the Temple of Time. Which brings me to my questions.
1. Why do you no longer need the Ocarina of Time to enter the temple?
2. In LOZ:OoT the Temple of Time is in Hyrule Castle Town. Does this mean that Ordon is the preveous location of Hyrule Castle?
3. How does the temple gain like 4 or 5 stories to it and how does it become filled with monsters?
4. What happened to the Door of Time and the three pendants and the Ocarina of Time needed to open it?
These questions are exactly why I don't think it's the same temple.
And how does it get filled with monsters? Doesn't this imply that Zant (or Ganondorf) can travel back in time or something, and if so, why didn't they use this to their advantage? God damn, the plot holes in this game are really ridiculous. :-*
1. Why do you no longer need the Ocarina of Time to enter the temple?
You are warped there, so you're already in the Master Sword chamber.
2. In LOZ:OoT the Temple of Time is in Hyrule Castle Town. Does this mean that Ordon is the preveous location of Hyrule Castle?
No. You are warped back in time.
3. How does the temple gain like 4 or 5 stories to it and how does it become filled with monsters?
Maybe it's because Link already has the Master Sword, so a new path was opened, or maybe he didn't use the Spiritual stones/Ocarina of Time.
4. What happened to the Door of Time and the three pendants and the Ocarina of Time needed to open it?
He was warped to the master Sword chamber, and the stones were sealed off.
Did I answer your questions?
Those don't really work. You're never "warped" to the chamber of the Master Sword and that's it, you can walk around the entire temple. Also, traveling through time doesn't change something's location.
This is true, you have to solve that puzzle where you move those two guys around.
Also, warped back in time doesnt make much sense the ruins are there before you even get to the cahmber housing the master sword, and instead of using the pendants and the ocarina of time to enter you have to solve the puzzle I mentioned earlier.
You kind of need to unlock the door that takes you back in time for you to use it, Commodore. To do that (assuming that there's only one way in), you'd need to play (or howl--take your pick) Zelda's Lullaby, and no one outside the Royal Family would just TEACH it to people.
EDIT: Sorry, Commodore. I also didn't read the rest of the post that I was supposed to quote. Sorry. ???
Wait, what if the forest temple was transformed into the new temple of time?
That's a possibility. Though I doubt that there would be a huge change in scenery and archetecture if that were the case... But since this is Zelda...well, you never know.
Right, Zelda is kinda........confusing. But I doubt that the forest temple became the new temple of time seeing as it was in the lost woods. And if it was then what would have happened to the old temple of time?
Maybe the godesses or maybe the Hylians destroyed the old temple of time and created a new one in a more secret and discreet place so that ganon and all other evil would have more trouble finding the master sword and the sacred realm and the triforce.
That's also a possibility. After all, Ganondorf had the advantage of being able to get to the original Temple of Time quickly, whereas if it were somewhere in the woods, he probably would've had a harder time getting there.
Quote from: MagmarFire on October 29, 2007, 05:41:40 PM
You kind of need to unlock the door that takes you back in time for you to use it, Commodore. To do that (assuming that there's only one way in), you'd need to play (or howl--take your pick) Zelda's Lullaby, and no one outside the Royal Family would just TEACH it to people.
I'm not exactly sure what you're responding to here. ;)
Anyway, why would they bother constructing a new Temple with a new entrance to the Sacred Realm? The Triforce is already split, so there wouldn't really be any need.
But ganon could still reach the master sword. Although he probably couldnt wield or even draw it from the pedastal.
But do they really need to construct an entire temple if all they're doing is moving the Master Sword? Seems to me they'd try and move it to a more inconspicuous location than an eight story temple if they're trying to hide it from the forces of evil.
Maybe they were trying to hide the fused shadows and the mirror.
I'm pretty sure the Mirror of Twilight was always at the Arbiter's Grounds until Zant broke it.
Quote from: Commodore on October 29, 2007, 09:25:59 PM
I'm not exactly sure what you're responding to here. ;)
Gah, late post! My bad. :P
Quote from: Commodore on October 30, 2007, 04:18:41 PM
I'm pretty sure the Mirror of Twilight was always at the Arbiter's Grounds until Zant broke it.
Maybe they built it to enshrine the master sword and as a monument to the godesses. And they relocated it to a sacred place, hence the name the sacred grove.
We do't even know where TP is located in the timeline. Even the split time theory doesn't answer to that question... :( So, we don't know if it the same Hyrule. And look at the Chamber of Time(back in time version) I don't remember seeing in OoT something like that. Maybe the Master sword was moved? :o ???
Maybe so but why, no evil can wield it anyway.
It's fairly obvious that the Temple of Time in TP is not the same Temple of Time from OoT. It doesn't really look the same and it's in an entirely different location.
As for why the Master Sword was moved? As I said earlier, it doesn't make any sense. I'm just content to think that Nintendo really dropped the ball and it was moved because the Hylians are a bunch of idiots. This conveniently also works for why it's in the castle in TWW too. :P
And the Lost Woods in ALttP, but I think there's a theory that two Master Swords were made. Can't remember where I read that theory, so I'm afraid you're going to have to look for it yourself. ;)
Is this (http://desertcolossus.com/compendium2/index.php?Are%20There%20Two%20Master%20Swords%3F) what you're talking about?
Seems fairly reasonable to me.
Why, yes it is. Thank you for finding that for me, Commodore.
Quote from: Commodore Mercury on February 20, 2008, 08:21:04 AM
It's fairly obvious that the Temple of Time in TP is not the same Temple of Time from OoT. It doesn't really look the same and it's in an entirely different location.
As for why the Master Sword was moved? As I said earlier, it doesn't make any sense. I'm just content to think that Nintendo really dropped the ball and it was moved because the Hylians are a bunch of idiots. This conveniently also works for why it's in the castle in TWW too. :P
Or it could keep ending up in different locations because people in Hyrule seem to be obsessed with trading sidequests. Who knows, maybe one of them traded the Temple of Time with someone too :P
:o right........... anywho.. Its location probably has nothing to do with the game Nintendo probably just puts in various locatons in different games to appease their appetites for confusion.
Or they don't actually care about this "continuity" stuff as much as we'd like the think they do.
There could be a few answers if you use your imagination. For example, the story takes place 100 years after Ocarina of Time (on the child timeline) therefore many aspects of Hyrule are likely to change. Maybe the original Temple of Time was destroyed/abandoned etc, therefore the Hylians felt the need to build a new temple.
Maybe the Pedestal of Time is infact a 'timewarp.' It is common to control the flow of time in Zelda games and common to warp to places.
The puzzle could be that Ganondorf or one of his minions aquired the Spiritual Stones and the Ocarina of Time, therefore the goddesses moved the temple out of his reach and guarded it with a puzzle... think of it simply as changing the locks.
Use your imagination folks, that's why Nintendo leaves plot holes. So we can picture unchronicled events and fill them in with whatever we want.
Neither ganon nor zant put the monsters there, the forest is hidden to keep the master sword safe, so they cant go in (if they could, they would have taken the master sword). The monsters are there because the mirror shard brought them there; just like monsters appeared at the yetis house. As for how you get inside, i would guess that scince you already opened it in a previous game, the seal or whatever would be broken, but i cant be sure because i havent played OoT. Maybe twilight princess is earlier/later in the time line than we thought. Think about that. :)