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Zelda Lore => Storyline => Topic started by: BlackSheik09 on December 25, 2007, 05:14:15 PM

Title: Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: BlackSheik09 on December 25, 2007, 05:14:15 PM
The Shiekahs are perhaps the most mysterious race in the whole entire Zelda Universe. There is very little known about them, and there are very few of them left in the world. In that case, I have a curious question: Is there by any chance that the Sheikahs, though some are obvious white, were perhaps also black, or to expand upon it, diverse? It seems that all one had to do to be Sheikah is have red eyes and have the psychic powers and ninja-like skills that most Sheikahs have. Other than that, it seems opened ended. So, in that case, could the Sheikahs have had darker skin?
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Hi no Seijin on December 25, 2007, 06:33:18 PM
Sure, why not?  Creative license and genetics ftw.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: BlackSheik09 on December 25, 2007, 07:35:48 PM
Sweet, ftw. I knew the Sheikahs were black. Yay, black people! With red eyes! And psychic powers! And ninja-like skills! :)
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Hi no Seijin on December 25, 2007, 07:43:42 PM
Feh.  Green people are so much better.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: BlackSheik09 on December 25, 2007, 08:04:22 PM
Quote from: HNS on December 25, 2007, 07:43:42 PM
Feh.  Green people are so much better.

Um...yeah, let's go for black people.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Commodore Axilon on December 25, 2007, 08:08:16 PM
Neither Impa nor Impaz had a particularly dark complexion, so...
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: BlackSheik09 on December 25, 2007, 08:11:11 PM
I know that, but still, with no black characters, and the fact that little is known, they might just be a variation of many types of Sheikah.

And although others don't see it, Impa does seem to have this black look on her...I mean, her skin is pretty light, but there's just something sort of black on her...maybe it's the make-up or what not, but still...
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Fishalicious on December 27, 2007, 08:59:57 AM
The reason for the fact that in a lot of Japanese games there aren't any black people is very simple: about 90% of the population of Japan is Asian. They don't see an awful lot of black people there. o_o
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: BlackSheik09 on December 27, 2007, 10:38:09 AM
Quote from: Fisk on December 27, 2007, 08:59:57 AM
The reason for the fact that in a lot of Japanese games there aren't any black people is very simple: about 90% of the population of Japan is Asian. They don't see an awful lot of black people there. o_o

And yet, most of the characters in Zelda look a lot like white people to me...oh well...
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Fishalicious on December 27, 2007, 10:54:58 AM
....Have you ever watched anime?

Damn near nobody looks Asian, they all look white. The Japanese love America, as well. o_o
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: DW on December 27, 2007, 10:44:16 PM
and why not? If I lived in Japan, I'd probably find America very tempting too.

Honestly though, I have a hard time imagining them black if they stayed in the shadows a lot. Usually skin darkens to protect the person from the sun.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Fishalicious on December 28, 2007, 08:00:48 AM
Two words:

Natural Camouflage.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: darkphantomime on January 19, 2008, 02:44:48 PM
I've actually seen/read some animes/manga with some black people here and there. A good example is the black cat (forgot her name) from BLEACH. I guess they  see it as somewhat exotic.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: HylianHero92 on July 08, 2008, 12:30:27 AM
In Smash Bros. Brawl if you do a smash taunt with Snake while versing Sheik, Mei Ling says "I can understand the clothes, but to change her skin and eye color? That must be some powerful magic."  This indicates Zelda is using magic to change her skin color in order to completely eliminate the fact she is actually Zelda. If you were trying to hide from the King of Evil and could change your skin color wouldn't you? I don't know any Sheikah other than Sheik that looks black. If do, please share.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Keaton on July 08, 2008, 12:40:17 AM
Super Smash Brothers-- the first one, Melee, and Brawl, as well as Soul Calibur II and ANY other non-Zelda game that features a Zelda character is NOT considered canon.  At all.

Otherwise, good try.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Commodore Axilon on July 08, 2008, 12:47:21 AM
Sheik never looked black to me, just really tan.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: HylianHero92 on July 08, 2008, 01:10:44 AM
Dang it! Well lets just say Sheik's eyes and skin are Zelda's creation (which we know 'cause Sheik is really Zelda, who's eye and skin color is different) and that she must've used magic (no such thing as plastic surgery at the time) and that, unless you can think of any others, is the only black (tan according to COMM-E) Sheikah. Is that canon?
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Keaton on July 08, 2008, 01:44:17 AM
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 08, 2008, 01:10:44 AM
Dang it! Well lets just say Sheik's eyes and skin are Zelda's creation (which we know 'cause Sheik is really Zelda, who's eye and skin color is different) and that she must've used magic (no such thing as plastic surgery at the time) and that, unless you can think of any others, is the only black (tan according to COMM-E) Sheikah. Is that canon?

No.  No, it's not.

Try again.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: HylianHero92 on July 08, 2008, 05:34:18 AM
FINE!!! ??? Lets call it common knowledge instead of canon ok?!
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Keaton on July 08, 2008, 03:24:46 PM
The fact remains that Shiek is NOT black.  She's not even deeply tan.  She's the same skin tone as Zelda.  Don't be silly.

And it can't be common knowledge unless it's actually true.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Commodore Axilon on July 08, 2008, 04:44:59 PM
Look at a picture of Zelda and a picture of Sheik and then tell me they're the same skin tone.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: MagmarFire on July 08, 2008, 05:23:10 PM
Not to mention that Impa doesn't really look black.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: HylianHero92 on July 09, 2008, 10:15:49 PM
(http://www.zeldadungeon.net/Zelda05/Characters/OfficialArt/Sheik.jpg)
(http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/thumb/d/df/Adult_princess_zelda,_(OoT).jpg/150px-Adult_princess_zelda,_(OoT).jpg)
Compare them. Now tell me their skin color was the same. Both official art from OoT. Thats certainly canon. HA!
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Twilight Wolf on July 09, 2008, 10:32:20 PM
It appears to just be very well-done fan art. Unless that's official Nintendo artwork, it's not a reliable source.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: HylianHero92 on July 09, 2008, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: Twilight Wolf on July 09, 2008, 10:32:20 PM
Unless that's official Nintendo artwork, it's not a reliable source.
It is!
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Fishalicious on July 10, 2008, 07:59:37 AM
Yeah, that's the official style, not fanart.

And no, they don't have the same skin,  but regardless, Sheik isn't black. Maybe mexican, but not black.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Darth Wyndisis on July 10, 2008, 08:36:45 AM
Maybe Zelda just wore a lot of makeup and her skin color never changed.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Keaton on July 10, 2008, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: Darth Wyndisis on July 10, 2008, 08:36:45 AM
Maybe Zelda just wore a lot of makeup and her skin color never changed.

Honestly, with princesses, that's usually the case.  They're supposed to look fair, fragile, and weak.  She certainly played that part well, all right.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Twilight Wolf on July 10, 2008, 06:54:48 PM
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 09, 2008, 10:39:07 PM
Quote from: Twilight Wolf on July 09, 2008, 10:32:20 PM
Unless that's official Nintendo artwork, it's not a reliable source.
It is!

Well, the picture that was in your post originally was different than the ones that are there now...

However, I would still only call Sheik dark-skinned, like someone who had a deep tan from living in the desert for a long time.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: MagmarFire on July 10, 2008, 11:40:26 PM
Anyone forget that their eye colors are different? What does that tell us?
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Takun on July 26, 2008, 12:41:31 PM
It tells me that Nintendo loves watching us squirm...
In my opinion Nintendo doesnt think of all this when they make a Zelda game. They NEVER reveal the answers to our theories, they strive off of it. We're just making the game more confusing than it needs to be. 8)
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Keaton on July 26, 2008, 12:52:12 PM
Quote from: MajoraKirby on July 26, 2008, 12:41:31 PM
It tells me that Nintendo loves watching us squirm...
In my opinion Nintendo doesnt think of all this when they make a Zelda game. They NEVER reveal the answers to our theories, they strive off of it. We're just making the game more confusing than it needs to be. 8)

Probably, but it's much more fun to think otherwise.  Don't spoil it for the rest of us.
Title: Re:Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Takun on July 27, 2008, 12:17:18 AM
Lol, sorry. I just find it funny to think that maybe we are the ones who give them the ideas for their next game. You know with all of our fan fics and theories.
Title: Re: Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: MagmarFire on July 28, 2008, 02:36:05 PM
I've heard that Nintendo's actually quite skeptical about using fan ideas for games, so I wouldn't count on that.
Title: Re: Were the Sheikahs Black?
Post by: Hi no Seijin on July 29, 2008, 07:38:58 AM
Considering that The Land of Legend only uses OoT in the timeline, they definitely wouldn't want to use my fanfic ideas.  Although Segment VIII and X would make quite a good fan game if I had that sort of skill and time.

(Speaking of my fanfic, get on AIM so I can tease you with spoilerific information, MagmarFire.)