I never thought that Hyrule would have a religious figure, such as the Devil. The Devil was a biblical creature of deceit, and evil. So why would there be a Devil of Hyrule? I was playing Majora's Mask today, and I happened to cross paths with the composer brother Flat. He states, and I quote:
QuoteOh...Sharp, my dear brother. He sold his soul to the devil and was the one who locked me in here...
I never knew there was a Devil! I always figured the underworld was ruled by Ganon or something.
It's just a figure of speech, you know.
I'm pretty sure they were implying that it was Skull Kid's fault.
But weren't Pamela and her father living in canyon for years? She might've hinted that the canyon was cursed by the dead before the Skull Kid and Majora's Mask came around...
I wonder if it really is a reference to the Bible...or really is a figure of speech, even though I don't understand the latter completely.
Quote from: Commodore Prime on January 25, 2008, 05:55:08 PM
It's just a figure of speech, you know.
I'm pretty sure they were implying that it was Skull Kid's fault.
Maybe. But thats an awefully long shot. If he would have said
a Devil, I could understand. But he said "The" Devil.
This is Termina, not Hyrule. Things are allowed to be allegorical, because it's not a definitively real place.
Quote from: Zelda Veteran on January 25, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
I never thought that Hyrule would have a religious figure,
...That line confused me because the Goddesses are religious figures.
Unless you meant an actual figure from the Bible™, then, well, the Devil's in a lot of other stuff.
... And Tacheon's right, allegorical things are usually in games and stuff like that.
Quote from: Fisk on January 26, 2008, 07:53:11 AM
Quote from: Zelda Veteran on January 25, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
I never thought that Hyrule would have a religious figure,
...That line confused me because the Goddesses are religious figures.
Unless you meant an actual figure from the Bible™, then, well, the Devil's in a lot of other stuff.
... And Tacheon's right, allegorical things are usually in games and stuff like that.
No, no, the Goddesses were made up by Nintendo. The Devil is a biblical creature. I'm a bit perplexed here.
You said religious figure, though. Not Biblical™ figure. And the Goddesses are a religious figure, though for a fictional religion.
I know what you meant, though.
Quote from: Tacheon Alexander Black on January 26, 2008, 07:47:17 AM
This is Termina, not Hyrule. Things are allowed to be allegorical, because it's not a definitively real place.
No, it really is. Why don't you think it's "a definitively real place"?
It's real in my mind. Why do you have to be so mean, Tacheon? :'(
Anywho, the last time I checked, the devil wasn't copyrighted or restricted to being a Biblical figure. And why wouldn't there be a Hyrulean/Terminian (or any video game world) equivalent to Earthly mythological creatures and peoples? After all, Final Fantasy uses a lot of Hindu mythology in their games. Why shouldn't Zelda be any different?
Quote from: Commodore Prime on January 26, 2008, 09:30:11 AM
Quote from: Tacheon Alexander Black on January 26, 2008, 07:47:17 AM
This is Termina, not Hyrule. Things are allowed to be allegorical, because it's not a definitively real place.
No, it really is. Why don't you think it's "a definitively real place"?
It's possible that it's a physical manifestation of Link's mental struggles and/or other inner turmoil.
I guess it's possible. But why would anyone think that in the first place?
Because, it doesn't follow any of the machinations of the other Zeldas, a LOT of the material is VERY allegorical, and Link leaves a different way than he came, if you'll remember the credits...
I've always had the theory that Majora was the devil of Hyrule/Termina.
Mayb since that Termina is a whole different place, and Hyrule has their creation myth about the three goddesses. Maybe the Hylians don't believe in a devil, but the Termins do for whatever religion they are.
...Actually, in Minish Cap, Vaati used "the Devil's Curse", now that may be assocated with the Minish religion, but it could be the Hylian religion. Puzzling.
I just remembered another mention of the Devil, in TP, you can listen to song some kids made about Giovanni (I think that was he's name),
"Something something selfish troll,
the devil took his soul"
Oops! Forgot that one. ;) (It's spelled Jovani, btw) :)
Hmm...I think it's game scanning time.
Majora's Mask - "He sold his soul to the devil" -Sharp
Minish Cap - "The Devil's Curse" - Vaati
Twilight Princess - "the devil took his soul" -Hyrule Town Children
Although they never mention any kind of devil when they're talking about Hyrule' religion/creation myth, it may be possible there is a devil, but they just choose not to mention it.
Devil? Its possible. But wasn't really Ganon the devil? And I don't think Ganon made any deals with Jovani :D