I've managed to conjure up a decent theory connecting the maps of OoT, TP, and Lttp.
(You're gonna need all the maps in order for this to make sense)
OoT to TP:
1.Flip the OoT time map upside down
2. Move Hyrule castle north of Lake Hylia
3. Old Hyrule Field becomes the Faron, and Ordon woods.
4. Add New Death Mountain to the left of the woods
5. Add a desert behind Lake Hylia
6. Add new Zora's Domain farther to the North
There you have the TP map
Explanation:
Death Mountain extends past Kokiri forest
Old Hyrule Castle was destroyed
Deserts are vast
TP to LttP:
1. Take the same map, and move Lake Hylia further north
2. Replace the Old Lake Hylia with the Desert of Mystery
3. Snowpeak mountain dries up, and becomes Eastern Palace
Explanation:
Lakes move over time, the marsh on the LttP map supports this
Lake bed temple becomes Desert temple?( Memory loss)
How else?
Quote from: Dragmire on June 29, 2008, 12:22:52 AM
OoT to TP:
1.Flip the OoT time map upside down
2. Move Hyrule castle north of Lake Hylia
3. Old Hyrule Field becomes the Faron, and Ordon woods.
4. Add New Death Mountain to the left of the woods
5. Add a desert behind Lake Hylia
6. Add new Zora's Domain farther to the North
There you have the TP map
Explanation:
Death Mountain extends past Kokiri forest
Old Hyrule Castle was destroyed
Deserts are vast
Problem: the sun moves in the same direction in both OoT and TP.
Too many things move, it's like you're doing one of those face-morph things. You could say Brittany Spears and Oprah are related simply by changing the geometry of the faces gradually enough until they match.
It's honestly not saying much, but I'm very glad that I'm not the only one who devotes his life to Zelda.
Quote from: Commodore Boo on June 29, 2008, 03:58:30 PM
Quote from: Dragmire on June 29, 2008, 12:22:52 AM
OoT to TP:
1.Flip the OoT time map upside down
2. Move Hyrule castle north of Lake Hylia
3. Old Hyrule Field becomes the Faron, and Ordon woods.
4. Add New Death Mountain to the left of the woods
5. Add a desert behind Lake Hylia
6. Add new Zora's Domain farther to the North
There you have the TP map
Explanation:
Death Mountain extends past Kokiri forest
Old Hyrule Castle was destroyed
Deserts are vast
Problem: the sun moves in the same direction in both OoT and TP.
DAMN
A slight oversight
My whole theory is based on the fact that the Temple of Time/Sacred Grove has always been the same place, but it appears that it cannot be so.
Theres got to be a connection somewhere.
Perhaps the Kokiri forest, the Lost Woods ( LttP), and the Faron/Ordon woods are the same?
But this implies that the Temple of Time is in the Kokiri forest.
This is such a lost cause.
Ok this time I have it nailed down.
TP map is very similiar to the LttP map if it is rotated so that the Lost Woods is in the south portion of the map.
Two of the most obvious discrepancies, is the location of the Zora's Domain, and the Desert of Mystery.
I still believe that the marsh near Lake Hylia ( LttP ) was once Lake Hylia, and the Ice Temple was once the Zora's Domain.
One thing I certainly cant explain is the Eastern Palace. What the hell is that place?
It's very plausible that Ordon eventually become Kakariko, and that Kakariko... well dissappeared.
This could ( or does ) tell us a lot about the timeline.
Depending whether or not someone actually agrees with me this time
;)
You don't need to make a new topic for this.
MERGING
Well I figured since this wasn't a very active board
Also I didn't want to double post
Quote from: COMM-E on June 29, 2008, 03:58:30 PM
Quote from: Dragmire on June 29, 2008, 12:22:52 AM
OoT to TP:
1.Flip the OoT time map upside down
2. Move Hyrule castle north of Lake Hylia
3. Old Hyrule Field becomes the Faron, and Ordon woods.
4. Add New Death Mountain to the left of the woods
5. Add a desert behind Lake Hylia
6. Add new Zora's Domain farther to the North
There you have the TP map
Explanation:
Death Mountain extends past Kokiri forest
Old Hyrule Castle was destroyed
Deserts are vast
Problem: the sun moves in the same direction in both OoT and TP.
Not if your playing the Wii version, which is reversed.
The Gamecube version is the canonical one.
Yeah, my friend told me that yesterday.
The map for the GC version makes my theory perfect.
I had no idea.
I think you have it backwards.
Exactly
I thought the Wii and the GC were the same.
So how does that make your theory perfect? What I said about the sun still applies.
Basically my first theory fliped the TP Wii map, but on the GC, I don't have to.
Instead of moving south, they move north.
Besides, in the Wii, the Sun moves in the opposite direction anyway, so if I flipped it, it would have been going the same direction.
Do you think you could make a diagram? 'Cause I'm not so sure I'm following you correctly on this.
Ill give it a shot.
OK
OoT map
(http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/articles/article10/zelda64map.jpg)
Now if you move Hyrule Castle north you get
the TP GC map
(http://tartarus.rpgclassics.com/zeldatpgc/smallworld4.PNG)
My previous theory was that if you flip the OoT map upside down and move Hyrule Castle to the North you get the TP Wii map
(http://www.zelda-twilight-princess.com/help/maps/hyrule-map.jpg)
Now you said that wouldnt work because the sun travels in the same direction in OoT it does in TP. You are correct if you're speaking of the GC version, but in the Wii version, EVERYTHING is reversed, including the direction of the sun, and even the way Link holds his sword.
Now obviously in TP GC, that Lake Hylia is a new lake Hylia, as well as Kakariko, and a new Zora's Domain. Seeing as how the Old Zora's Domain was close to Old Kakariko, it is very understandable that the Zora graveyard was there before New Kakariko.
But anyway, hope that helps.
Whoa... Gigantic page stretch for massive damage.
Seriously, could a mod edit that?
Its not stretching my screen.
Update your browser?
EDIT: Made them IMGs
The images aren't showing up...
Also, I'm using the most recent version of Firefox 2. Really long URLs always stretch the page.
You don't need to do this faffing around as far as I can see. If you go by the gamecube version of the Twilight Princess map then everywhere seems to be in the right place.
Kokiri Forest and Lost Woods/Ordon and Faron to the south
Kakiriko and Death Mountain to the East
Lake Hylia and Gerudo Desert to the west
The only place that seems to have moved at all is Hyrule Castle, and here is my explanation.
Link warned Zelda and the king about Ganondorf, but Ganondorf still attacked. This time he wasn't victorious though because he didn't have the element of suprise. The castle was destroyed in the battle, but Ganondorf was eventually arrested.