I can't believe nobody realized this before me! Navi is the reason Hyrule is destroyed! If she hadn't left in Oot, Hyrule would still be ... not at the bottom of sea!
How do you figure that?
Also, Navi hate? Oh ho, how original.
If Navi didn't leave in Oot, Link wouldn't have to leave Hyrule in MM, he would've been there for Ganon's attack, the Goddesses have had to flood Hyrule (with the exception of the protective bubble), and nothing in TWW would've happened! Oh and by the way, I don't want to start a debate on whether or not MM was the reason Link wasn't there, thats what I believe. :-* that was a mouthful! :D
Whoa, HH, I never would have thought of that. You must have looked up alot to get that theory. :)
Quote from: PokemonMaster on July 22, 2008, 10:16:13 AM
Whoa, HH, I never would have thought of that. You must have looked up alot to get that theory. :)
Thanks, but not really. I just thought about it.
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 03, 2008, 09:39:45 AM
I can't believe nobody realized this before me! Navi is the reason Hyrule is destroyed! If she hadn't left in Oot, Hyrule would still be ... not at the bottom of sea!
Yeah, about that. Even if Navi and, consequently, Link hadn't left Hyrule, Link was a Hylian, and there really isn't any evidence whatsoever that they're immortal, so it's very possible that Link could have died long before the flood if he hadn't left Hyrule.
The flood occurred long after Link died.
The end.
I could be wrong, but I seem to remember in the WW pre-movie it showing that the villagers/townspeople praying for "the hero" to return. According to the movie, the villagers are looking for the specific Link of OoT. That would mean that to still be "looking" for him would to acknowledge that he's still in fighting shape. If that was the case, then it could be a mere 20-40 years after Link left when Ganon attacked.
Now even though 50 sounds too old to be saving the world, I played a pre-medieval fantasy type game where after I beat it I was around 70.
Even though that is HIGHLY unlikely that the flood happened less than a century after Link left, it's possible.
Me being as freakish as I am, I collect game guides. In the very beginning of my WW guide it has a bunch of Zelda facts. One of them is that most of the Zelda games occur almost 100 years after the previous one ended. MM is more like a continuation. So Link goes into the MM world, comes out waits about 50-60 years, dies, and then a few years later, BAM the flood.
Quote from: MajoraKirby on July 24, 2008, 08:37:10 AM
So Link goes into the MM world, comes out waits about 50-60 years, dies, and then a few years later, BAM the flood.
What does his sexuality have to do with the timeline? I mean, really, I guess it means he wouldn't have kids, but still.
Alright, and in all seriousness, the flood had to have happened after TP, right? Or are they on opposite timelines? I forget.
Either way, this theory looks more like an excuse to bash on Navi.
Yes, the flood is the most recent update in the Zelda series. So far, NOTHING has happened after the flood. So technically WW was the latest game timeline wise.
except, you know, PH.
Oh yeah, sorry I forgot about that one. Your right fisk, thanks!
Quote from: MajoraKirby on July 24, 2008, 10:36:57 AM
Yes, the flood is the most recent update in the Zelda series. So far, NOTHING has happened after the flood. So technically WW was the latest game timeline wise.
How do you know that the Hyrule of LoZ and AoL isn't the Hyrule that was found after PH?
TP occured in the other timeline, you know. Whatever the designers say goes, whether the fans like it or not.
Also, even if the flood happened many years after OOT Link dies, it could still have been Navi's fault, He might not have gone back to Hyrule. If Navi hadn't left, he would have stayed in Hyrule, have kids, and train them should any be male (not an insult to any female members, but this IS a medieval era- like world, so...). The family would continue until the time the flood happened, and one of them would destroy Ganon. Basically, if Navi didn't go missing, there woud be a family of heros.
And no, this isn't to put the blame on Navi. I'm just saying an obvious possibility no one mentioned yet.
I guess you can pretty much blame Navi as the catalyst of one of the best zelda games of all time.
You have a point there Pickwick.
Go Navi!
For once, I actually think it was a good thing!
Quote from: Whocares on July 26, 2008, 04:59:46 PM...and train them should any be male (not an insult to any female members, but this IS a medieval era- like world, so...).
Guess you kind of forgot about Ashei, right? ;)
Ashei is not the Hero of Time.
Nonetheless, there are female warriors in Zelda, I think that's what Mags was trying to get across.
Also, omg sexist, i hate u, etc. etc.
Quote from: MagmarFire on July 27, 2008, 04:33:27 PM
Quote from: Whocares on July 26, 2008, 04:59:46 PM...and train them should any be male (not an insult to any female members, but this IS a medieval era- like world, so...).
Guess you kind of forgot about Ashei, right? ;)
Her dad raised her to be that way, remember? And while it wasn't traditional back then, it DID happen. I remember reading in History ab out a single 15 year old girl leading men into combat, and winning! However, she was later captured and burned at the stake.
Wasn't her name Rosa Parks? Something rhyming with that, at least.
Anyways, there are a lot of catalysts. I mean, if Ganon weren't around in the first place...
Quote from: Whocares on July 26, 2008, 04:59:46 PM
TP occured in the other timeline, you know. Whatever the designers say goes, whether the fans like it or not.
Not in my fanfiction! What I say goes!
QuoteIf Navi hadn't left, he would have stayed in Hyrule, have kids, and train them should any be male (not an insult to any female members, but this IS a medieval era- like world, so...).
That's assuming he would have had kids.
Also, why does Link have to be the hero? Sure, he's always the main protaganist (ugh, spell check, please?) in the games, but that doesn't mean he's the
only candidate for the Hero of Hyrule. Link's cool and all, but for once I'd like to see a game where the theme is to find the courage to stand up to evil even though you don't hold a piece of the Triforce. A game like that would have the potential to equal or surpass MM (at least plot-wise) in my book.
Also, it may be a medieval-like world, but that's not to say females weren't allowed to fight with swords in Hyrule. Considering that Hyrule looks to be a patriarchal society it wouldn't seem likely that a woman would join the army, but I wouldn't dismiss that chance just because women weren't allowed to fight in Earth's Middle Ages. Hyrule =/= Earth.