We all know Hyrule is flooded and left on the bottom of the sea, but what happened to Termina? Was it flooded too? Hyrule and Termina are at close if not exactly the same elevation, so wouldn't Termina be flooded too? Could it be the world in Phantom Hourglass? Oh, and don't say it's in a different dimension, 'cause if Link can get to it, water can too. Please let me know what you think! :D
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 05, 2008, 12:17:23 PM
Oh, and don't say it's in a different dimension, 'cause if Link can get to it, water can too.
This doesn't make any sense.
And how would you know what Hyrule and Termina's relative elevations are?
Though, I have to say, Termina being the world in PH is a very interesting theory.
Hmm..
But that would mean Link had to swim to get there in MM.
Besides, where does that leave new Hyrule in LoZ?
I'm assuming north of the Great Sea covered in TWW. For some reason, I've always imagined it being north, so there's about a 12.5% chance that it's correct.
EDIT: I just realized I used the word wrong instead of correct. My bad.
That's the direction they sailed at the end of TWW, so I would assume so.
Wait, really? Still, then again, they did set sail from the Outset dock, I think; and the dock was facing north, then, right?
Right. And they were going to "follow the wind" or something and that's the way the wind was blowing.
Also, the sea is to the south in LoZ
At least that's how it seems.
But it could very possibly be to the North.
Quote from: COMM-E on July 05, 2008, 01:44:26 PM
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 05, 2008, 12:17:23 PM
Oh, and don't say it's in a different dimension, 'cause if Link can get to it, water can too.
This doesn't make any sense.
And how would you know what Hyrule and Termina's relative elevations are?
I meant all Link had to do to get to Termina was fall a little bit and walk down a corridor, so why can't the water that flooded Hyrule go down the same path. As for the elevations for both for Hyrule and Termina, Link only fell a few feet down a hole in a tree stump. It couldn't be that far down otherwise Link would've been hurt from his fall. One could argue that the deku flower thingy he fell on was "soft" and broke his fall, but it probably wouldn't make that much of a difference. Hope that answers your question! :)
He fell through a portal to another dimension.
Unless you're proposing that Termina is somehow underneath Hyrule.
Your neglecting the fact that Termina is another dimension.
When Link is falling, he isn't just falling. He's passing through to Termina.
Notice the clocks, and other imagery as he falls.
Clearly not just a hole.
Quote from: Dragmire on July 06, 2008, 02:24:16 AM
Your neglecting the fact that Termina is another dimension.
When Link is falling, he isn't just falling. He's passing through to Termina.
Notice the clocks, and other imagery as he falls.
Clearly not just a hole.
I'm not neglecting the fact Termina is another dimension, I'm just saying that if Link can fall through a magical hole with clocks and other imagery, water can too. I have proof. Notice the pool of water in the room where Link is turned into a Deku Scrub. It was most likely rain falling in Hyrule where it then came through the "magical hole" and over time became a pool of water. See for yourself at link (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8980245873982449096&q=majoras+mask+full+begining&ei=mqhxSNONMZiErAK3iqHHCA&hl=en)
Don't click on the link, it doesn't work. You'll have to copy and paste the address above. Skip to 4:14 to see the water.
mod edit: page stretch. I turned it into a link. Be careful about that okay? here's the code for turning things into links:
[url=YOUR URL HERE]YOUR TEXT HERE[/url]
Nuh-uh. The fact that Link can go through that trippy sequence does not also imply that water can, as well. Termina may very well not be another dimension, but more of another mindset. Link's retreating inward for an introspective journey of the self, and water cannot do the same-- not being sentient and all.
Or maybe Link got some "Magic Powder" and got high and the events of MM are just a trippy vision Link has. That would explain why the moon has a freakin' face!
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 06, 2008, 11:32:29 PM
Or maybe Link got some "Magic Powder" and got high and the events of MM are just a trippy vision Link has. That would explain why the moon has a freakin' face!
what do you think I just said
Or my first Theory could be right.
Either way, it doesn't matter!
The people who developed this game probably didn't even think about this. They probably just said "Lets put a trippy cutscene with trippy symbols in a giant pit Link falls down and a pool of water in another dimension so we can watch Zelda fans bite each other's heads off on a forum 8 years from now over absolutely nothing!"
;)... Maybe we should talk about Termina being the world in PH.
It does matter. The game developers did think of this. They're getting paid, what, half of what they should? They're only doing this because (nowadays) they're complete Zelda FREAKS (read, asians) and they want to make their dreams a reality.
Which is why some facts are regarded as canon, not just possible or even plausible.
You've lost my respect in you as a theorist if you don't feel that the game designers put as much effort into making the code as we do into breaking it.
Yes, I agree.
There's no sense to theorize, if your not willing to accept a broken theory.
The truth is, we don't know what Termina is.
One thing we know is, is that it IS NOT Hyrule, or connected to Hyrule (physically) in anyway.
While I don't agree that the entire adventure was an introspective time trip, one thing I do agree on is that, the water on Hyrule, does NOT flow into Termina.
Besides, we don't even know how far Link went into the Lost Woods, before he found it.
Quote from: Dragmire on July 07, 2008, 12:58:51 AMBesides, we don't even know how far Link went into the Lost Woods, before he found it.
And even
that's assuming that he was, in fact, going through the Lost Woods.
Uhh..
Yes, it could have been the Kokiri Forest, but..
It's unlikely he was even in Hyrule.
It would be a wise assumption that it was the Lost Woods, or just woods connected to them. After all, where in Hyrule is there a place other than the Lost Woods (and Goron City, for that matter) connected to woods? I don't think there is one, unless you go over the mountains or something.
Do you have the booklet for the N64 version? I remember reading something about him 'going beyond Hyrule' or summat in search of his future/destiny/self. Of course, I could be thinking of Link's Awakening, to be honest.
But seriously. You can't assume it's the Lost Woods.
Quote from: EVE on July 07, 2008, 02:46:24 PM
But seriously. You can't assume it's the Lost Woods.
May I ask why?
Because you know what they say about those who assume.
It makes something out of u and me
Ok, first off I'm really sorry about the whole "they didn't think about it" stuff. I've kind of changed my mind about that after reading Eve's post. Sorry... :( Anyways I just thought about something. Hyrule is a kingdom. Not a country. Not a continent. Not a planet. A kingdom. Maybe Link thought it was another dimension when it was really just another place on the same planet. But then again many things disprove that, including the imagery as Link falls through the hole to Termina, indicating he is warping to another dimesion (or inner-trip to self).
...Sorry again, I didn't mean it.
Its a very cool idea to think that Termina is on the opposite side of a the planet (if it was a planet).
But Hyrule, is a realm, not a planet.
Its like a dimension. You could say the Sacred Realm is another dimension, as well as Termina, and the Twilight Realm.
Maybe Termina was once the Sacred Realm?
Interesting, but... wheres the Triforce then?
I think Termina is the same realm, but just a twisted mirror image.
Well, ya see, it was once the Sacred Realm, and the Triforce just hung in the air. But the Terminans got power-hungry and built a large tower (the Stone Tower, in fact) to reach it. And then the Goddesses took away the Triforce and forced Termina to live forever as Hyrule's shadow.
Doesn't this interfere with your theory that this was all Link's subconscious?
Very interesting. It makes sense seeing as how Ganon was never sealed away in the Child OoT, but what about the later installments in the Child Timeline? Are Ganon's minions actually Terminians?
Why didn't Link transform into a bunny, or something?
Quote from: Dragmire on July 07, 2008, 09:27:56 PM
Doesn't this interfere with your theory that this was all Link's subconscious?
Very interesting. It makes sense seeing as how Ganon was never sealed away in the Child OoT, but what about the later installments in the Child Timeline? Are Ganon's minions actually Terminians?
Why didn't Link transform into a bunny, or something?
...are you saying that the Sacred Realm acted on the same time track as Link's time travel? I would think that Ganondorf would've been trapped, and the Sages would've remained Sages. After all, anytime after you awaken Saria as a sage and call her with Saria's Song when you're a child, she gives you the same spiel as an adult. This suggests that the Temple of Light (which is in the Sacred Realm, canonically) acts independently from Hyrule's timestream.
Quote from: Dragmire on July 07, 2008, 08:30:47 PM
Its a very cool idea to think that Termina is on the opposite side of a the planet (if it was a planet).
Hyrule is most definitely on a planet. There's a globe in Tetra's quarters in TWW.
so?
Ok it's a globe, not a planet.
Are you serious?
By God, Commodore...
I believe he is
I laughed. So hard.
Dragmire, why would there be a globe there? It's not that hard a question to answer.
A globe?
Well, she really likes them
*headdesk*
But why would the globe exist?
Because she took an art class, but it turned out to be a globe making class. She still wanted to get her money's worth so she kept the globe.
Damn it, get the point we're trying to get across. It is a GLOBE. Not just a sphere with squiggles, a GLOBE. It has a spherical base with landmasses on it. It shows that the plane on which they are existing wraps around again upon itself no matter which way you look at it, such as to create a completely circumnavigatable PLANET. A SPHERE with a volume of 4/3(pi)(r)^3.
You're just being stubborn at this point. Look, if she owns a model a globe, she didn't just buy it at Globe Mart down in Globeland. It means that it's a MODEL OF THE WORLD THEY LIVE IN. In this case, that world is approximately 30,000 leagues ABOVE Hyrule, and the entire thing is a globe.
You know what they call giant, celestial globes in orbit? Planets.
QED
Go take your meds
Anyway, just because the plane wraps around doesn't means its a planet. Like, in a solar system.
Duh!
No just kidding. It's just hard to thing of Hyrule as a planet.
I guess It makes sense for a navigator to have a globe, but it could be one of those oversights. Besides, pirates use their guts, and everyone knows, Pirates are way cooler than ninja's.
I like you freaked out about it though.
Made me chuckle.
The truth about Pirates. (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZLsJyfN0ICU)
Anyhow, I just freaked about it because for a moment, I thought you were seriously stupid. Sorry, didn't mean to say it like that, but yeah.
Best. Video. Ever.
Quote from: Dragmire on July 08, 2008, 01:46:37 AM
Anyway, just because the plane wraps around doesn't means its a planet. Like, in a solar system.
Duh!
No just kidding. It's just hard to thing of Hyrule as a planet.
I guess It makes sense for a navigator to have a globe, but it could be one of those oversights.
Then how would you explain the sun's existence in all this? If it's there, maybe Hyrule really is on a planet?
I think it's the Sacred Realm...
Last I checked, Hyrule was separated from the Sacred Realm through the Temple of Time. The Sacred Realm is where the Triforce is, and...I don't really see the Triforce in the Hyrulean night sky when I play.
YOU DONT KNOW HOW BRIGHT THE TRIFORCE IS!
Do you have any idea what it was like for me to go through the Door of Time? Nearly burned my eyes!
you certainly are a strange fellow
Nah, you're just exceedingly normal!
Reading through this, I'd like to clarify a few things.
1. On the back of the game case, it says Termina is, and I quote: "A parallel universe..."
2. I can't see Hyrule being flat, and having an edge of infinite space. Its a planet, end of discussion.
3. The only continents know of (I believe) are Hyrule, Calatia, and EASTERN Hyrule (only featured in LA.).
The backs of the boxes are not canon, are the summaries are almost always written by reporters, not PR persons.
Its the back of the box of the official game, and its in the instruction manual which has the Nintendo Official Seal on it. Canon to you, or not- it was written and made official.
Termina is called "a parallel world" multiple times in the official Nintendo-licensed strategy guide.
Some of the places it appears:
The back cover: "The legend of Link continues as the Hyrulean hero races against time to save a parallel world from doomsday."
Inside the front cover: "In a parallel world, Link must stop the moon from plummeting into Clock Town, a city where time is everything."
Page four: "The fairy, carelessly abandoned by the Skull Kid who never thinks about how his actions affect others, reluctantly guides her new partner through a portal to a parallel world..."
Page five: "The parallel world Link stumbles into is one built around a towering clock."
There are quite a few more times where Termina is called a parallel world in that instruction guide.
<_<
Have it your way, I'm sticking to my theories, though.
Quote from: Zelda Veteran on July 10, 2008, 12:02:00 AM
3. The only continents know of (I believe) are Hyrule, Calatia, and EASTERN Hyrule (only featured in LA.).
Holodrum and Labrynna?
And there was an Eastern Hyrule in LA? BOY, do I need to continue playing that game...
Quote from: Zelda Veteran on July 10, 2008, 12:02:00 AM
Reading through this, I'd like to clarify a few things.
1. On the back of the game case, it says Termina is, and I quote: "A parallel universe..."
2. I can't see Hyrule being flat, and having an edge of infinite space. Its a planet, end of discussion.
3. The only continents know of (I believe) are Hyrule, Calatia, and EASTERN Hyrule (only featured in LA.).
Couple things
1. Agreed, Nintendo obviously wanted to get that point across.
2. There is not any canon that says Hyrule is a planet (That's not to say it's not, but Nintendo hasn't officially said it is a planet, hence, people can still discuss there theories here). You sounded like you were saying " I'm right, you're wrong, end of discussion."
3. Umm, LA took place in the dream of the Windfish, I beleive. There is a mention of Hyrule, so its safe to assume that its not.
Quote from: MagmarFire on July 10, 2008, 07:59:21 AM
Quote from: Zelda Veteran on July 10, 2008, 12:02:00 AM
3. The only continents know of (I believe) are Hyrule, Calatia, and EASTERN Hyrule (only featured in LA.).
Holodrum and Labrynna?
And there was an Eastern Hyrule in LA? BOY, do I need to continue playing that game...
OMG
I meant AoL
MAH BAD
And I didn't remember the other two.
I was going off the indisputable evidence so far that Hyrule is a planet. OPEN DISCUSSION.
The sun and moon move through the night sky in an arc. Doesn't that suggest Hyrule is on a planet?
Quote from: Dragmire on July 10, 2008, 09:27:35 AM
2. There is not any canon that says Hyrule is a planet (That's not to say it's not, but Nintendo hasn't officially said it is a planet, hence, people can still discuss there theories here).
If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, looks like a duck, etc..
Wow, all I said was that it should still be open discussion.
Overreaction initiate!
It's really not my problem if you don't know what a planet is.
Quote from: Dragmire on July 12, 2008, 04:57:03 PM
Wow, all I said was that it should still be open discussion.
Overreaction initiate!
...or you're just stubborn? :-\
Quote from: Dragmire on July 10, 2008, 12:27:35 PM
Quote2. There is not any canon that says Hyrule is a planet (That's not to say it's not, but Nintendo hasn't officially said it is a planet, hence, people can still discuss there theories here).
God...
That's not to say it's not, That's not to say it's not, THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT'S NOT!!!
NO
THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT'S NOT AT ALL
BECAUSE IT IS
THERE IS NOT FIGHTING ABOUT IT, NO CONTROVERSY, NO NOTHING
IT IS A PLANET
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOOOOOOOOOL
There's also a globe in The Astral observatory...
Oh I guess I'm too late...
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 15, 2008, 02:56:19 PM
There's also a globe in The Astral observatory...
Oh I guess I'm too late...
Yes, but Termina isn't part of Hyrule.
Quote from: The DHARMA Initiative on July 15, 2008, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 15, 2008, 02:56:19 PM
There's also a globe in The Astral observatory...
Oh I guess I'm too late...
Yes, but Termina isn't part of Hyrule.
You're exactly right. Termina is a
parallel dimenson.If it were parallel to Hyrule, Hyrule must be a planet as well.
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 16, 2008, 08:55:35 AM
Quote from: The DHARMA Initiative on July 15, 2008, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 15, 2008, 02:56:19 PM
There's also a globe in The Astral observatory...
Oh I guess I'm too late...
Yes, but Termina isn't part of Hyrule.
You're exactly right. Termina is a parallel dimenson.If it were parallel to Hyrule, Hyrule must be a planet as well.
wat
If I remember correctly from Billy and Mandy, the plane of eternal flames is parallel to Earth, but it's not a planet.
Quote from: The DHARMA Initiative on July 16, 2008, 09:12:52 AM
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 16, 2008, 08:55:35 AM
Quote from: The DHARMA Initiative on July 15, 2008, 10:37:00 PM
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 15, 2008, 02:56:19 PM
There's also a globe in The Astral observatory...
Oh I guess I'm too late...
Yes, but Termina isn't part of Hyrule.
You're exactly right. Termina is a parallel dimenson.If it were parallel to Hyrule, Hyrule must be a planet as well.
wat
If I remember correctly from Billy and Mandy, the plane of eternal flames is parallel to Earth, but it's not a planet.
First of all, you should check your sources.
This is what parallel means:
_________ _________
Example A^ ^ Example B
They are parallel, meaning the same but different.
When you have parallel lines it means you have to lines that go in the exact same direction but never touch. They look exactly the same but are two completely different lines.
Therefore:
O O
Hyrule^ ^ Termina
Hyrule=Termina
Therfore Hyrule+Termina=Hyrmina x2= Hyrmina Teyrule
which means I'm right.
A parallel world doesn't necessarily have to be "parallel" in the geometric sense. A parallel world is simply a world that is strikingly similar to another, but with important differences.
Parallel lines...it isn't really so much they run alongside each other than the fact that they have a lot of things in common--orientation being the most important. They could be running opposite ways, after all, if they are segments.
But can we all agree Hyrule is a planet? To say other wise would just be stubborn.
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 17, 2008, 02:08:35 AM
But can we all agree Hyrule is a planet? To say other wise would just be stubborn.
To refuse to admit that nothing else is
possible would be stubborn.
And besides, we've all already agreed that Hyrule is a planet... it's just
Termina that's not a planet.
Quote from: The DHARMA Initiative on July 17, 2008, 02:48:23 AM
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 17, 2008, 02:08:35 AM
But can we all agree Hyrule is a planet? To say other wise would just be stubborn.
To refuse to admit that nothing else is possible would be stubborn.
And besides, we've all already agreed that Hyrule is a planet... it's just Termina that's not a planet.
Well then the globe in the Astral Observatory proves it is.
Not to mention that there's also a sun in Termina. How can the sun set if there's no curved horizon?
We go to ancient Greek mythology. Which is so full of incest Hyneria would kill me if I used any of it to justify her world.
Uuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... WHAT?! :o
I don't get it.... :-X
You would have to read my fanfic The Land of Legend to get that. Sorry.