For most people, Ocarina of Time is considered the first game in the storyline. Every website that creates a timeline places it there. Until the Minish Cap came along, at which point it slipped into first, bumping OoT to second. That is also inaccurate, when you read the Figurine guide, a couple specifics stick out. 033 Nayru, 035 Din, and 126 Biggoron. These tell you that Biggoron's legendary, and that's not possible in the first game... Next is Din, who is a dancer from the land of Holodrum, so it obviously came before this. And the final bit is Nayru, who is descended from the line of Oracles in Labrynna. That means it came even before OoS. My timeline:
OoA > OoS > MC > OoT and so on, as it gives no details on the rest.
Hrm, well I haven't finish Minish yet (sigh) so I can't comment for sure, but when i do I'll have lots to say about the timeline and such.
What I've played so far has put a giant crack in my continuity theory. More to come.
Yeah, the whole timeline thing is really... confusing. I sometimes wish that they would just tell us what goes where, but then again, it is cool to come up with theories. Back before WW came out, didn't Nintendo deny the "multiple Link theory?"
Yeah they did, on the Zelda.com site, but that essay is long gone, as throughout the series Link has how many separate childhoods? Four? There HAS to be more than one Link.
PS. Good to see you here shadowlink! (And thanks for the mention at HA, you beat me to it. :D )
That is weird. You think Link would go insane for all the stuff that he goes through in one game, and imagine if ONE Link went through what he does in every game, wow. :o
Yup, I was surprised/glad to see that you've got forums back up. Also, why does the thing near my name say that I am a llama? Ha ha ha!
Not entirely sure, but go to your profile and you must have added it as you "Personal Text", rather than you're signature? Anyways, that is where your "Personal Text" goes.
Edit: Fixed spelling of "must."
I think I will keep it in there for now, it's kind of funny. It's weird though, I never put that in, it just showed up.
That part about Nayru being a desendent from the Oracle doesnt mean its before OOT, desentent could and does go on forever.
Even IF the Capcom games are official, we can't know whether the Oracles are descendants or ancestors of the oracles in OoS/OoA.
And you said OoT comes second. Well, if TMC is before OoT then that also means that FSA is before OoT.
I'm pretty sure Link to the Past came before Oracle of Seasons/Ages
I doubt it. At the end of ALttP the Dark World is destroyed. In the Oracles it still exist, although it's called the Dark Realm in those games. However, both are mistranslations. It's supposed to be Evil World. ::)
Quote from: Evilslayer on April 11, 2005, 09:19:35 AM
Even IF the Capcom games are official, we can't know whether the Oracles are descendants or ancestors of the oracles in OoS/OoA.
And you said OoT comes second. Well, if TMC is before OoT then that also means that FSA is before OoT.
Yeah, if you check in the Figurines Guide (http://desertcolossus.com/guide.php?page=zelda12/figurines&menu=xii), it talks about Din(035) and Nayru(033). Nayru is descended from Oracles, and Din comes from Holodrum.
Maybe... FSA doesn't have to directly follow MC, does it? But yes, I believe it does come before OoT.
The timeline is indeed very confusing.....but i really neverd considerd OoT as the starting point :-\
QuoteYeah, if you check in the Figurines Guide, it talks about Din(035) and Nayru(033). Nayru is descended from Oracles, and Din comes from Holodrum.
That doesn't mean that TMC takes place after the Oracles. You could also say that Nayru in OoA is descended from Oracles.
Well, OoT is the only game that explains the creation of Hyrule, so I don't think anything could come before that. However, my knowledge of Zelda games is lacking, and the evidence you have presented suggests otherwise. I guess we'll have to wait and see what suprises TP gives us. ;)
TP looks like its going to take somewhat after OOT although thats just me.
Do you know what I find really funny? I make this thread and convince many people that OoT isn't first, and in the process, I again believe OoT comes first.
It's the same with me, lol. I've just started fancy the split timeline:
OoT, MM->ALttP, LA->LoZ, AoL->OoS/OoA
That was the Child Timeline, which is no doubt my favourite of them.
Here is the Adult Timeline, such as I see it:
OoT->TP->TWW->TMC->FS, FSA
EDIT: This may also explain the oracles in TMC. It might be that TMC takes place about the same time as the Oracles. ;)
well it wuld have 2 go OoT to ALttP because One.Thier are both on Hyrule # 1 and two. because ganon is in the dark world.
Both in Hyrule? So are TMC, FS, FSA, LoZ and now also TP.
hey, i'm new here and i was reading your arguments.
TMC could've come first but the main enemy is Vatti
who corrisponds with the four swords games. all other games post Ganon as the main threat, either as human or pigmonsterguy. i'm thinking that OoT did come first because it explains the creation of Hyrule and shows how Ganon got the triforce of power, which he has in every other game he's in. Vatti isn't released until after ganon os sealed away when Link pulls the Four Sword out of the stone.
in conclusion OoT came first in my opinion because all other games involve Ganon being revived.
Actually, there's evidence in OoT that it's not first. The Sages has been gathered before, the Master Sword is a legendary blade, etc. On the top of all that, the Ancient Sages built the Temple of Time. Why right then? Why not before?
My theory is that something happened. I think that before the Temple of Time was built it was a lot easier to enter the Golden Land. Eventually, an ancient daemon (Ganon) found the hidden land and took the Triforce. Hence, a Hero and the Sword of Evil's Bane were needed.
I've also realized that in a split timeline TMC can come after ALttP (and that is very likely, unless LoZ and the Oracles turn out to be in the adulthood timeline).
If that's the case, the Hero of Men lived a long time before OoT. Then OoT Link would be Link III.
ok, that may be true, but it isn't stated in OoT that the sages were summoned before. i just beat the game for ninth time yesterday and am beating it again today, so i know all dialog stated in this game.
FYI- i'm trying to make a speed record here. my fastest time for getting perfect player is 13 Hr and 24 Min non stop play time.
but just in case i'm wrong and i may have forgot that the sages were stated to be summoned before, OoT is definetly the second or third.
just one more thing: if Ganon had entered the Golden Realm, Sacred Realm, whatever, why does he not get the Triforce of Power till OoT? just wondering.
There's no evidence that Ganon doesn't get the Triforce of Power before OoT. According my theory he was killed, and he can't keep it when he's dead. So, where do you think the Triforce was taken? ;)
As for the Sages, so far there's no reason to believe they can be awakened as Sages without Link's help. None of them ever has, so far.
QuoteFYI- i'm trying to make a speed record here. my fastest time for getting perfect player is 13 Hr and 24 Min non stop play time.
Believe it or not, but my record is 6 hours and 8 minutes.
"According my theory he was killed, and he can't keep it when he's dead."
Ganon states that he does still have the Triforce of power while he is in the void. and ganon was not killed in any game except for TWW.
and as for the 6 hrs somthin min, that's cool. but if you used gliches or cheats your a pansey. and i hope you mean you beat the game, collected all skulltulas, heartpieces, and found every secret hole, cave, and tunnel. just checking!
Ganon wasn't killed in TWW; he was only turned into stone. LoZ, OoS/OoA and ALttP are the only games where he's killed.
alright, since no one gives a woot about what i think then i'll quite this post and replay all the zelda games this weekend. then i'll get back to you all.
good by and good night!
i actually think that Jack is right with his theory, so i will quietly side there, but i have a question, at first, they said that TP is going to be after wind waker, then they said its after Oot, anyone know which one's true?
Hello friends, new poster and such.
For a while I did buy into the Timeline theory documented on this very well designed site until I started up a new game of OoT on my old N64.
After you fail to save the Deku Tree and sneak into the Palace Courtyard, Zelda informs Link of her prophecy. When they exchange names, she exclaims that his name sounds "Somewhat familure."
It's possible that Zelda vaguely remembered his name from her dream, but I somehow doubt she would revisit the issue when she already made it clear that he must be the hero of time.
i think OoT is first because it explains the history of hyrule. :o im also liking EvilSlayers timelines. 8) 8) 8)
i know for a fact that minish cap came after the wind waker, because after the great flood comes the wind waker, and after that, do you remember the last cut scene to WW? they set sail with tetra and everyone is waving good bye, and then the credits come. well the new land they find after setting sail, is the one you explore in the minish cap.
In general i dont think there is an official storyline... In Adventures of link zeldas brother states a law that all princesses of hyrule shall be called zelda... im guessing this was an attempt by nintendo to justify multiple generations of characters. so surely by that logic LoZ is first then LA and hence forth, else the fact that multiple generations have the same name before then is just a fluke.
Though i dont think there is an official storyline i do LOVE trying to make them fit. Ive been trying to find out as much as possible about storyline coz ive had an idea for a fancomic, preceeding the games, brewing away and i want to keep all the zelda fans happy!
Also just to clarify a point, at the end of OoT, link is a child. and im presuming that no1 in hyrule would know ne thing of the "hero of time"'s deeds.... the only 1 that should know is link... now unless he's been boasting.... the people of windwaker should not know of the hero of time
but in WW they do know about the hero of time, because im betting that zelda in OoT started it as a legend, and the legend grew to that one island that the WW link is on (as it tells u in the prolouge) boys at the age of 12 wearing matching hero of time clothes to celebrate that they are old enough to go and battle monsters.
and btw, zelda has a bro9ther in AoL?!?!?!?!?!? ???
"In his grief, the prince placed the princess in this room. He hoped that someday she would come back to life. So that this tragedy would never be forgotten, he ordered every female child born into the royal household should be given the name Zelda."
In the prologue to AoL quoted straight from this wonderful site! Tho i am weary when i read stuff from sites (not to cast doubt on teh accurassy of the information) until i see it in black and white in the manual Im not sure what is artistic licence and what is official line
Quotei know for a fact that minish cap came after the wind waker, because after the great flood comes the wind waker, and after that, do you remember the last cut scene to WW? they set sail with tetra and everyone is waving good bye, and then the credits come. well the new land they find after setting sail, is the one you explore in the minish cap.
How can you be so sure about that? There's nothing in TMC that even hints that it is New Hyrule.
duh. look at it. a brand new map, and brand new lands that no one has seen or trveled. think about it! at the end of wind waker they set sail to find a new land. on all accounts it makes sence!
It is possible, yes. But it might in fact be a different place in Hyrule. Think about it, in OoT 'Hyrule' has one town and one village. That's not a very realistic kingdom. Sure, there might be several other villages that aren't in the game because of space limitations, but I do believe Hyrule has to be more than just the Death Mountain Area.
But then there's also the similarities with ALttP Hyrule. ::)
but wouldnt hyrule have perished in the great flood? but that is a good point. I mean look at Terminia. that just sort of popped up out of no where when he fell into the hole. I wish nintendo would provide a few clues, or even an answer. But if they did, that would wipe out the theorys section huh. Ill emale to nintendo, and try to get a few answers. (doubt it) ::)
It didn't perish in the Great Flood; it was only sealed away under the Great Sea. ;) And give them some time, and the Koroks will resurrect Hyrule.
I hope that the Zelda on the Revolution will be a sequel to TWW the same way TWW is a sequel to OoT and that it'll explain how Link and the pirates found the New Hyrule and the Overworld in the game will consist of two large continents.
The one where you start, New Hyrule, is vastly populated and has several towns, villages, farms and even one or two cities, and of course the castle (which hopefully will get a more original name than Hyrule Castle).
The other continent, the resurrected Old Hyrule, could be only sparcely populated and mostly be wild lands, and forests (mountains and hills too, of course ;)).
nice idea! :D
Cool! 8)
nice idea hope it works out ;D :D :)