Partly inspired by the Valley of the Flood game, I wanted to know what you guys think about industrializing the series. Since WW and PH had cannons I don't think it would be such a stretch to add, simple, guns. That's about as far as I think they will, if ever, go.
Thoughts? :-\
I don't like the idea of guns in Zelda. However, placing a deku-nut in a spring loaded gun doesn't sound so radical.
A deku "gun" probably wouldn't work because of the gunpowder. That sounds cool. I like your idea because, well, I can't put the finger on it exactly, but when I think of a gun, that would fit in Zelda, I want to think of a mix between a crossbow and a slingshot. Also I think a crossbow without the wood extentions for the tortion to fire the ammo would also work.
And floating platforms wouldn't work because of the gravity.
As for me, I like the medieval Zelda as it is, but a Renaissance Zelda wouldn't be that bad... Maybe have horse-drawn carts or something in some of the games (er... excluding the escort quest in TP) as a mode of transportation.
Hey, maybe Epona could be a horse that wasn't able to be used for a carriage-or she broke off of the carriage during an attack or something.
( Teehee, this topic made me think of survival horror Zelda... )
If they can have cannons, it wouldn't be inconcievable for them to have single shot, muzzle-loading guns. They just wouldn't be very fitting in the Zelda series.
I'm ardently opposed to guns in Zelda.
It's a medieval swords and shields game. It should stay that way.
Well gunpowder, for cannons and rockets not guns, was used in China before the 10 century. And it got to Japan, Europe, the Middle East in the 13-14 centuries. So in my opinion that's pretty early in history.
BUT, I thought cannons were advance, so I dunno.
Thing is, this isn't Earth. It's not going to develop at the same rate, maybe even not in the same order.
Zelda is the past, Metroid is the future. It should stay that way.
While we're at it lets replace Link's hat with a Top hat. >:(
Nintendo goes on my blacklist if they put guns in the game.
Tophats are awesome, and I would love to see an alternate outfit with link in a tophat and suit. And monocle.
Actually, I think a Renaissance Zelda would be pretty neat... With like, the new age of art and science and all that coming up. :3
Quote from: Iroh, Dragon of the West on July 20, 2008, 02:59:45 AM
Zelda is the past, Metroid is the future.
Mario is sorta in the present, just in the Mushroom Kingdom!
I actually came up with an idea a while back that they all take place on the same planet/galaxy, just at different time periods.
Nah, Mario's definitely in another fantasy-land altogether.
I mean, aside from the monsters and magic, at least Zelda is plausible.
Quote from: HylianHero92 on July 25, 2008, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: Iroh, Dragon of the West on July 20, 2008, 02:59:45 AM
Zelda is the past, Metroid is the future.
Mario is sorta in the present, just in the Mushroom Kingdom!
I actually came up with an idea a while back that they all take place on the same planet/galaxy, just at different time periods.
Mario, Metroid, and Zelda on the same planet? I think not. Same galaxy, maybe.
Now if you want Nintendo franchises on the same planet, Zelda and Fire Emblem is a lot more plausible.
As for a New Age Zelda with guns....I dunno.
Well I was thinking about it for awhile and I thought of some ways they could make a gun underpowered.
1. Have a nation/country/world/province wide ban. A war in the past caused the law for not allowing to have them.
2. Expensive to find the certain gunpowder or whatever they use.
3. Non to popular if there wasn't a ban.
4. Since there is magic in the game, have a certain spell that could explode the chemicals in them. Thus the person would explode or just the gun would.
Well, they've had gun powder since way back in Majora's Mask, and they had a rocket-launcher type thing in Twilight Princess so... I'd say they've been leaning towards an industrialization.
Quote from: Jackal on July 19, 2008, 10:13:39 PM
Thing is, this isn't Earth. It's not going to develop at the same rate, maybe even not in the same order.
*ahem*Quote from TWW:
"Swordsman... Are you the one who rescued me? You have my thanks! When all went dark around me, I thought my time on
earth was over. But... why are you here, swordsman? What? The Great Deku Tree sent you?! Oh! Th-That's
right. Today's the day of our annual ceremony! Oh, I'm in trouble! I shouldn't be here! I must get out of here immediately!"
-Makar
In the English language, Earth is capitalized if it is referring to the planet itself. If the word is lowercase, it's either talking about rocks, dirt, or what have you...or the word the comes before it.
In this case, it's feasible he was talking about land rather than the actual planet.
Fine. This is what it sounds like if I fix it according to your theory:
"Swordsman... Are you the one who rescued me? You have my thanks! When all went dark around me, I thought my time on dirt was over. But... why are you here, swordsman? What? The Great Deku Tree sent you?! Oh! Th-That's
right. Today's the day of our annual ceremony! Oh, I'm in trouble! I shouldn't be here! I must get out of here immediately!"
-Makar
Quote from: Zelda Veteran on July 29, 2008, 12:08:41 PM
Well, they've had gun powder since way back in Majora's Mask, and they had a rocket-launcher type thing in Twilight Princess so... I'd say they've been leaning towards an industrialization.
Dude, bombs were in the first Zelda game. Unless you're telling me gunpowder didn't make them explode, gunpowder has been in nearly all the Zelda games.
Quote from: HylianHero92 on August 14, 2008, 10:37:23 AM
Fine. This is what it sounds like if I fix it according to your theory:
"Swordsman... Are you the one who rescued me? You have my thanks! When all went dark around me, I thought my time on dirt was over. But... why are you here, swordsman? What? The Great Deku Tree sent you?! Oh! Th-That's
right. Today's the day of our annual ceremony! Oh, I'm in trouble! I shouldn't be here! I must get out of here immediately!"
-Makar
I guess, then, it's also feasible that he was talking about "this plane of existence." It's more direct and still holds true to the meaning. Either way, I don't think he was referencing a planet.
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on August 15, 2008, 08:21:24 AM
Quote from: Zelda Veteran on July 29, 2008, 12:08:41 PM
Well, they've had gun powder since way back in Majora's Mask, and they had a rocket-launcher type thing in Twilight Princess so... I'd say they've been leaning towards an industrialization.
Dude, bombs were in the first Zelda game. Unless you're telling me gunpowder didn't make them explode, gunpowder has been in nearly all the Zelda games.
Don't be silly! Everyone knows everything in Zelda is magic! They were magical bombs!!!
Let's not mix joviality with silliness, HH.
Now let's see here. You can have gunpowder long before industrialization. They used rockets back during the era of Genghis Khan.
However, I agree that they're leaning towards industrialization.
You're comparing it all to the standard of what we did here on Earth.
Let's keep in mind that this is Hyrule, and they do actually have magic. They might not have a need to industrialize, if ever.
And bombs don't point to industrialization. China had typewriters way before Europe, in the BCs, and they certainly were not industrialized.
And while we're on the subject of industrialization, there were telephones in LA, I believe. Why should we worry, again?
Quote from: MagmarFire on August 17, 2008, 02:33:08 PM
And while we're on the subject of industrialization, there were telephones in LA, I believe. Why should we worry, again?
Link's Awakening was a dreamworld, so most of the technology there is moot.
Unless Link became the inventor of Hyrulean telephones...
Oh, yeah. Forgot about that. >_<
OoA(maybe OoS, don't remember) had a seed shooter. Which was basically a (probably) spring loaded gun, filled with nuts/seeds.
That said, I am against industrialization. I think a mechanical dungeon which could be powered up by electricity, for example, would work. This is because it's still somewhat magical, we have no idea how it works. Like the ToG in WW, or the ToT in TP. But I do not like where PH is going, with a steamboat. It doesn't have a magical feel, I know, basically, how a steamboat works. The reason technology worked with the ToG and ToT, was because it was built by beings far beyond hylians and humans, and it was magical.
Zelda and guns is like... TLotR with guns. It's medieval, for the most part. A cute little thing though, would be something that like a mad scientist is working on, the player knows it's a train, but the NPCs think he's building some kind of crazy instrument. But not much beyond that.