Today I saw a popup that made me the angriest I've been in a very long time.
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I almost threw up when I saw it, I hope most of you can understand why.
It's not showing up for me for some reason.
Its not showing up for me either.
Is it appropriate for TDC? ::)
Aw, bummer.
Yes, it's appropriate. I've got to be discretionary what with all the young impressionable minds here.
It's one of those interactive ones. You're in a tank and you have to move out of the way of landmines while various jihad devotees heckle you from the roadside.
Thats really messed up. >:(
I've seen sme rather disturbing popup's sometimes. I hate them kind of pop ups.
Appropriate as it may be, I don't think I want to look... Sorry about this, Tacheon.
I've seen some nasty popups. That one ranks up there. It's so offenisve...
Damn America! >:( Why do they have to make this kind of stuff look like some kind of videogame!? Which is one of the reasons why I won't play games like Halo or those other shooting games.
I don't see why everyone has to be so hostile towards Muslims. I know we're at war with them right now, but who freaking cares!? I think that's the only reason why people are (or were) complaining so much about Obama being Muslim. Who cares if he is or not!? If the only reason they're cutting down Muslims is because we're at war with a Muslim country, then that's pretty sad. I thought America was a place where you could be whatever religion you wanted without someone coming up to you and saying "Ooh, you're a Muslim? Are you a terrorist? Are you on Iraq's side?" :P
Sorry if I got a bit off-topic. But that's my two-cents on this ad.
MOD EDIT: Profanity is not allowed. Why not try some quirky, funny British words?
Vaati, I know that you feel deeply about this, (heck, so do I), but I'm afraid that you know the rules. Asterisks or not, it's easy to fill in the blanks for what you were trying to imply-- so I'm going to have to give you a warning. :\
Sorry.
Crud, oh well. (But I thought you could as long as you used asterisks).
Anyway, whatever. I understand.
Quote from: Vaati on July 22, 2008, 03:17:48 PM
I don't see why everyone has to be so hostile towards Muslims. I know we're at war with them right now, but who bollocking cares!? I think that's the only reason why people are (or were) wanking so much about Obama being Muslim. Who cares if he is or not!? If the only reason they're cutting down Muslims is because we're at war with a Muslim country, then that's pretty sad. I thought America was a place where you could be whatever religion you wanted without someone coming up to you and saying "Ooh, you're a Muslim? Are you a terrorist? Are you on Iraq's side?" :P
Sorry if I got a bit off-topic. But that's my two-cents on this ad.
I agree completely. There is a Muslim kid that goes to my school and we were talking when this girl asked him what grade he was in, then this kid passed by and said,
"Don't talk to him or he might blow your house up."
Quote from: Vaati on July 22, 2008, 03:44:29 PM
Crud, oh well. (But I thought you could as long as you used asterisks).
Anyway, whatever. I understand.
If you * the whole word, I think we're fine. But just *'ing the key vowel or so makes it obvious.
Or you could go the route of comic strip writers and use *&#$@% to censor.
Oh, okay.
To MajoraKirby, I know. I mean, I'm Agnostic, so religion isn't a big problem for me, but how we have the "One nation, under God" in our pledge seems kind of...incorrect. There are alot of monotheistic religions (in America), but just because the majority of these religions are monotheistic and their god is male, doesn't mean that other religions that are polytheistic don't count. What about Hinduism? They have more than one god. The way I see it, religion and politics should be separate. And the Pledge of Allegiance falls more into the politics side. So I don't think "God" should be mentioned in it.
Well, Freedom of Speech falls into it too.
By removing it, you'd be making a lot of people upset like the ones who were upset that it wasn't there.
So, if you don't want it, don't say it. I doubt by having the rest of your class say "Under God" is going to warp your mind or anything.
Quote from: Vaati on July 22, 2008, 03:51:24 PM
Oh, okay.
To MajoraKirby, I know. I mean, I'm Agnostic, so religion isn't a big problem for me, but how we have the "One nation, under God" in our pledge seems kind of...incorrect. There are alot of monotheistic religions (in America), but just because the majority of these religions are monotheistic and their god is male, doesn't mean that other religions that are polytheistic don't count. What about Hinduism? They have more than one god. The way I see it, religion and politics should be separate. And the Pledge of Allegiance falls more into the politics side. So I don't think "God" should be mentioned in it.
I too am Agnostic. I used to have issues with religion and I would convert several times, i.e. I was once a Buddhist.
I actually recall reading somewhere that it was not always "one nation under god". And that at one point it was something like "One nation, united together" but was changed somewhere in history.
I also have converted a couple times, too.
And to Gamefreak, true, it won't warp their minds, but how does it fall into freedom of speech? Why don't we just have it the old way when it was "united together"? That way, it's non-religious but still gets out the same message. I'm not saying that I think it will "warp people's minds", my no. Just saying that it seems incorrect to put something that seems more suited for a prayer than in a patriotic pledge.
I never understood why we couldn't talk about religion in class yet every morning we are forced to say he is the ruler of our nation.
This is actually very off topic, Im sorry.
But anywho where did you see the ad at? Like what website?
The reason the phrase "one nation, under God" is in the Pledge of Allegiance is because that's just how America was founded: "one nation under God." However, even though it was founded this way, it was also founded as a nation where you are free to worship in any way you see fit, or not at all. You're not bound to worship any one god or multiple gods just because the words "one nation, under God" are in the Pledge of Allegiance.
"Under God" wasn't added to the Pledge until 1954, when we were at war with the "godless communists".
Quote from: Twilight Wolf on July 22, 2008, 04:23:55 PM
The reason the phrase "one nation, under God" is in the Pledge of Allegiance is because that's just how America was founded: "one nation under God." However, even though it was founded this way, it was also founded as a nation where you are free to worship in any way you see fit, or not at all. You're not bound to worship any one god or multiple gods just because the words "one nation, under God" are in the Pledge of Allegiance.
Good point. And thank you for the date and reason Commodore.
True, but I agree with MajoraKirby, this may be getting a little off-topic. We better get back on before this gets moved to the Chatboard.
I'm afraid I've gotta comment a little further though.
You know, I find it funny when people try to make the argument of the 'separation of church and state' clause warped by conservatives to go with 'the context of the times', which doesn't really make any sense. People go about on that to try to make it look like 'oh, america was religious at the time, even the founding fathers were religious'. But they don't know the personality, views, or opinions of the man that wrote the Bill of Rights: Thomas Jefferson. He was a very strong proponent of the seperation of church and state, and when he states it so clearly and concisely at the first amendment, it's just... retarded that some people would distort the meaning and intent of his words, his viewpoints to suit their own.
This isn't a religious debate topic, it's a topic about that ad. All of this is off topic, so let's get back on topic.
Reply to JQ:I have to agree with you. I'm tired of hearing "This was a Christian nation when it began!" (You mean the Christian nation that brought witch burning over from Europe!?) and "Our founding fathers were Christian!" Who cares what religion they were? This was intended to be a country where you could worship how you pleased or not worship at all.
(Okay, I probably look totally hypocritical by not getting back on-topic. Let's just move this to the Chatboard... ;))
:P Or a mod can change the title so we can debate religion.
For the record, I could post about all this, but I don't feel like getting attacked for my views. So I won't.
Nah, I feel that this debate is too good to move to the chaos over in chatboard.
I disagree. We just need to get back on topic. No moving required. So where DID you see the ad?
In all honesty, I don't see why we'd really have a problem with changing "under god" to something else, because we'd have to keep changing to keep people happy, which is... well, impossible.
We also have God's name on our money, but I don't think anyone wants to complain about that.
I don't quite recall. I was just surfing about.... don't remember the site.
Quote from: Fisk on July 22, 2008, 05:02:54 PM
We also have God's name on our money, but I don't think anyone wants to complain about that.
I complain about that more than anyone else in the world. SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!
Does it really affect your life that much? You're taking it to the extreme.
Remember, guys, this is not a discussion about religion. It is a discussion about an ad. Please stay on topic.
Who cares, MK?
It's built into the system of America. Nobody's saying that by owning and/or using this dollar, you are committing yourself to Christianity. It's just a time-honored tradition.
Don't be a whiner.
He's complaining about it on an internet message board.
Watch out! He's a maaaaaad man!
Im thinkin' it's time we lock or move this one, mods. ::)
Nah, I think this should be given slightly more leeway before I threaten to lock it.
As the topic starter, I give this topic permission to follow whatever road it may-- without getting spammy.
Quote from: Iroh, Dragon of the West on July 22, 2008, 05:54:40 PM
Who cares.
It's built into the system of America. Nobody's saying that by owning and/or using this dollar, you are committing yourself to Christianity. It's just a time-honored tradition.
Precisely, Tacheon. It's very similar to having "one nation, under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance: It's just a reminder of how this nation was founded.
Personally, I think that if we removed "In God We Trust" and "one nation, under God" from our money and the Pledge of Allegiance, respectively, we'd not only be upsetting far more people than are upset by it now, but, in a sense, be helping to remove along with them the ideals and values that helped make this country great. As has been said before, just because those words are there, it doesn't bind you to worshiping any one god or to be part of any religion. When America was founded, it was guaranteed that you have the freedom to worship as you choose or not do it at all. This is the last I will say of it, as I don't want to get any more into it and risk fueling a firefight.
Also, as to the separation of church and state-- that's an idiot's argument (no offense). That particular clause was simply so that America wouldn't be overrun by another Church of England... it simply means that a religious entity cannot assume a position of official power. Nothing more.
Go do your homework and read what Thomas Jefferson wrote, you know, the man who actually made that thing into a right.
Yeah, I'm with Tac here.
I just... don't understand why something as trivial as that would upset anyone. /: Honestly, I think it's really stupid to get all up in arms about how God's name is written on something.
Wow, for once people actually support my side of the argument. That is so rare. :o
We shouldn't get into a huge fuss about it, but I stand by JQ and MajoraKirby. Who cares about tradition? What other God could they be relating to other than the religious god? I can't think of any other God out there. I don't remember there ever being an American government God. If the other religions that believe in more than one god/goddess or call their god something else don't care, then fine. But frankly, it's not being too fair to Atheist America. Now, I'm Agnostic, so I partly believe in religion and partly don't. So when it comes to religious beliefs and science, I try to piece things together and try to find a factual explanation for things. But when it comes to religious beliefs and government, I believe that's going a little too far.
Sure, if you're going to take "In GOD we trust" and "Under GOD" out, why not stop hanging up Christmas decorations around town? (Actually, around my town, they hang up Hanukkah and Kwanzaa decorations, too) It's not that we think it's forcing religious beliefs, it's just that it doesn't seem correct, especially for a government that believes in separation of church and state.
I mean, hey, America's a democracy. We should just settle this over a vote, yes? It's not like GOD is going stop us. :-*
In my opinion it is not pressing religion on us. I think its just telling us something that, weather we believe it or not, contradicts our beliefs. And yes, in this day and age anyone who doesn't believe in God will be contradicted. But it's still forcing those that dont fully believe in God to say that He rules over this country. Tradition or not, this country was raised thinking that we can worship a head of lettuce if we so desired, yet on our currency and in our pledge we are told that what we believe is wrong.
You're so much better at putting things than I am. :'( But seriously, that's also, what I was trying to say.
god is a noun.
1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2. the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.
3. (lowercase) one of several deities, esp. a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs.
4. (often lowercase) a supreme being according to some particular conception: the god of mercy.
5. Christian Science. the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.
6. (lowercase) an image of a deity; an idol.
7. (lowercase) any deified person or object.
8. (often lowercase) Gods, Theater.
a. the upper balcony in a theater.
b. the spectators in this part of the balcony.
I think it's a little ridiculous to get this upset over it. Seriously? Censoring God's name in the bills and in the pledge is censorship nonetheless.
We take out God, we take away public celebrations of Easter, of Christmas, and of other religious holidays. Why? Because those are also offensive to people who think that their religion is right.
And it's not like it's clearly a Christian God- it can be the Islam God, the Jewish God, one of the Hindu Gods... Hell, it could be Lobsel Vith or Xuchilbara from Silent Hill for all we know. /:
Just on a side note, I don't particularly approve of God's name on the dollar bill, but I'm not going to say we should change it to attempt to please everyone, since-working from personal experience here- that kind of crap is never going to work.
As a race, people will never be happy-everyone has a different happy medium.
Quote from: Vaati on July 24, 2008, 09:06:49 AM
You're so much better at putting things than I am. :'( But seriously, that's also, what I was trying to say.
Then we can pretend that you wrote it instead. ;D