Today (or tomorrow for one more minute) is my birthday, so I'm officially 13 ;D. I've heard many good and bad things about being a teenager. Is there anything I should avoid later on? Anything I should make sure I do? If not, thanks anyways! :)
Puberty is going to be one hell of a ride, kid. It's gonna be a very very confusing time too. Girls, friendships, you won't know what to do with yourself.
I'm somewhat of a freak. I turned thirteen today but I've already done most of my growing. I might grow a few more inches, but that's all. Puberty sort of already started for me a while ago (crying at the end of Twilight Princess was an obvious sign, and that was when I was 11!) but there is no end in sight.
Believe me kid, there's a lot left to go.
It's gonna be one hell of a rollercoaster. Your hormones will take over your freaking BODY! You'll be out of CONTROL! You'll be a SEX FIEND!
How tall are you anyways? I'm 5'10"
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SO AM I!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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crap. Now I'm considered short!
Don't worry, I'm kinda considered freakishly tall as everyone else in the whole entire school district is pretty short (save for a few High Schoolers) You are not alone!
Another person who's taller than I am? Doesn't surprise me. :P
Happy birthday, though!
I know this is going to sound like its from an adult, but keep in mind that I'm in the later stages of my teenage years (I graduate this year.)
Jut be you. When I started being a teenager people wanted to change who I was. Just do what you want to do. Also in high school, just do your work. Srsly. Cause when you get to be a senior it'll be hard if you ****ed around as a freshman/sophomore like me.
You'll change whether you're conscious of it or not- just don't let go of your ideals. I can't TELL you how many times friends of mine have encouraged me to do drugs. I never have, and won't in the future. Things will change all around you, and if you don't conform in ANY way, you'll find yourself with problems. Understand? Am I getting the right message across here?
It's in the nature of humans to fear what they don't know. And they often don't know people who are different, leading to fear. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering. (Yoda, FTW.)
Thanks for all the advice guys! ;) Don't worry, I won't do drugs or drink.
You'll soon realize that things are not as definite as you believed as a child. Your good and bad beliefs, your religious perspective, your interests, love, and many other things you once had simple views on will become far more complicated.
I also found it interesting how you didn't say you wouldn't smoke... ::)
Nicotine is technically a drug. So yes, he essentially did say that he wouldn't smoke.
but you shouldn't have any troubles at all as a teenager, because you're
Quotemore mature than Fishyrules by 13 years!
>:(
You'll never let me forget that..............
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhh :-*
That was an extremely spammy comment. :P Let's try avoiding any more of those, alright?
Also, you'll be in high school soon. Here's some advice from someone who is learning just how hard it really is:
Study like hell. You have no idea how much it will benefit you in the future.
Only for the tests and everything else that the system shoves at you, mind you, depending on what you plan on getting into. If you're seeking a job in something like, say, architecture, you're probably not going to use a class like, say, biology...like, ever, as far as I know.
It's still useful to know stuff like biology, give you an understanding of the whole world, even if it won't necessarily be applicable for your 'chosen' profession.
This is why Colleges are Liberal arts.
Then I fail to see its usefulness. There's a difference, in my opinion, between being useful to know and being interesting to know. They don't have to be mutually exclusive, but there can be instances when the latter is true and the former is false, and vice versa.
So learning about human biology, first aid, THAT isn't useful?
And when we have to vote to keep creationism out of our schools, knowledge of biology would not prove useful?
FAIL!
It is integral that one become well-rounded in all knowledge bases. This does not necessarily mean 'knowing everything', it simply means that you have a wide and varied understanding over many things.
And Biology is quite useful when giving First Aid. Human Biology is after all, part of medical science.
What is the honest reasoning behind your thoughts of some things being 'useless'?
I'm not saying that it's completely useless. After all, we wouldn't have advanced understanding of medicine and other understandings of the world without it--no doubt about it!
But does that mean that
everyone will use it, even if he or she learns it? No. I've taken it, for instance. Do I remember everything I learned? No. Why? Because I don't really have a use for it in my life. Simple as that.
Is it useful for first aid? Indeed, I'd see where it would be. But does that mean that
everyone will be interested in first aid or anything else that actually requires knowledge of biology? No.
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on November 20, 2008, 09:36:26 PM
It is integral that one become well-rounded in all knowledge bases. This does not necessarily mean 'knowing everything', it simply means that you have a wide and varied understanding over many things.
Wide and varied understanding? Yeah, I see where you're coming from. But its being integral? I strongly disagree. It may make you more versatile, but if you never
apply it, what's the point of knowing it other than for the sake of knowing it? Granted, some people want to learn it for the sake of learning it (and I was one of those people), but what about the people who
don't and have absolutely no interest in biology and any of the paths it connects? Should they be made to learn stuff they're never going to use, only doomed to forget about it later on and, thus, to utterly waste their time better worth learning something else they
may be interested in, such as history or business?
The fact remains that much of what most students learn in high school is stuff that they're most likely never going to use, and I tell you from personal experience that people seldom remember the concepts of things they have no uses for. Why not use our time more wisely?
Except people DO use stuff like Algebra in every day life. Just because you THINK it won't have any application to your life and career path does not make it so! It is a grave disappointment when people won't even try; futily believing that everything that they learn is 'useless garbage'.
And I cannot discourage enough this type of mentality where people narrow their learnings to what they 'think' they'll need. How can you know if you'll need it later on? True, most people forget what they learned in high school, but you'd be surprised at the amount of what you learn has everyday usages.
Please, please, please do NOT promote ignorance. That will make things only worse! Instead, try to promote knowledge. This is why american students fall behind so far against international standards!
You aren't even in the real world yet! So how do you even know that most of what you learned won't have usefulness? That's just the thing, you don't! Even if you THINK it is useless, does not mean it will be useless.
This is why American students fail and look so bad compared to international standards! I Will NOT stand for a climate of ignorance where one picks and chooses what one may 'think' as useless. Believe me, everything EVERYTHING you learn is useful, believe it or not.
Yes, people may use stuff like algebra in everyday life, but that doesn't mean
everyone does. And that's what I'm talking about: a system that forces everyone to learn the exact same things and forget about them when he or she has near-zero uses for them.
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on November 20, 2008, 10:13:38 PM
And I cannot discourage enough this type of mentality where people narrow their learnings to what they 'think' they'll need. How can you know if you'll need it later on? True, most people forget what they learned in high school, but you'd be surprised at the amount of what you learn has everyday usages.
Oh, it's just not what they "think" they'll need--it's what they
want to learn. And how can you know if you'll need it later on? Well, you can't; the future isn't set in stone. Luck does favor the prepared, after all, but you can hardly call yourself prepared if you've learned it once and forgotten about it later, having to relearn it when you actually
do need it.
If it comes to the point when people need that knowledge, then they can always go and
learn that stuff when they know that they will have an application for it. Learning it just because some governmental system is making you with the advocation that you're "going to need it" is ignorance in itself because you could've spent that time learning what you actually wanted to learn and thought more soundly that that was what you were going to apply later on. If it ever turned out that you suddenly became disinterested in the subject, then hey, change your learning preferences. It's still better than being made to learn what you think has better odds of becoming completely forgotten and required to be relearned down the road if you ever decide to actually go into those related positions.
Everyday uses, eh? That's not a very meaningful statement. If people forget what they learn, then they can't use it unless they relearn it. If they don't
have to relearn it, then they still remember it, but that doesn't change the fact that almost everyone forgets what is learned. Look at my dad, for instance: he took geometry way back when, and I think he may have thought of it as a fun class (but my memory's not the best, unfortunately... Hi no Seijin should be able to vouch for that XD ). Does he remember all the theorems and properties that went with the subject? I
sincerely doubt it. He had no use for it, or at least very little use for it.
And look at my mom: she absolutely
hated algebra, but she learned it anyway. Now she works as a secretary, and since I love math so much, I sometimes ask her and re-ask her if she ever needs help in algebra or if she needs something figured out algebraically. Her response? No, she doesn't need help. All she seems to remember is the principle that what you do to one side of an equation you do to the other, but the fact that she doesn't apply what she learned and, therefore, forgot nearly everything about it speaks for itself. Sure, she knows basic mathematics, just like almost everyone else in her age group, but that's because it actually has a widespread use in her life. Is she really going to graph circles and polynomials for a living? It's certainly not in her learning preference, and I can sure as heck can tell you that she won't know how to do things like that if I give her a pen and graphing paper and tell her to graph the sine function if I ever chose to do that.
QuoteYou aren't even in the real world yet! So how do you even know that most of what you learned won't have usefulness? That's just the thing, you don't! Even if you THINK it is useless, does not mean it will be useless.
We've been over this before, haven't we? If I forget just about everything I learned in a subject, will I have a use for it in my life? I may if I ever choose to go into said subject, but if I forget on the way there, that means that I had
no use for it. I don't want to have to waste time relearning it when I could've learned it once and applied it right afterward.
So to wrap up this post, no, not everything you learn is useful. It may be to some people, and I have no beef with all the subjects that people can learn, but you're likely not going to use everything you encounter in high school. And you will most likely be doomed to forget those things you learn...
believe it or not.
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HH92, what you do is you do your work and try to remember this stuff. You can always go to the library later and relearn or learn stuff you need/want to learn about.
Well, that's not so different than the system we use today, is it?
Well, I can honestly say that Magz seems rather disillusioned by our educational prospects?
Why can't everyone have a healthy appetite for learning?
If one of my professors saw your post, they would be rather ashamed at the prospects. You're telling them that they'll forget eventually, no matter the case. Why can't you inspire a will to learn rather than a will to ignore?
Also, random question: Did either of your parents go to college?
Of course, my Uncle was the first in our family to go to college, neither of my parents or my stepdad went to college either...
My point is we should stop being so ignorant! Why does it have to be 'inevitable' that everything be forgotten?
I'd really much prefer if knowledge were promoted. Especially when ignorance has for such a long time taken their hold over so many spoiled americans.
There's a reason why they have you study a variety of subjects, like it or not. I'm tired of illiteracy taking hold over everyone.
Do you mean to say that you promote ignorance? How depressing! Surely one who thinks everything will be forgotten does not deserve admittance to a college at all!
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on November 21, 2008, 10:44:44 AM
Well, I can honestly say that Magz seems rather disillusioned by our educational prospects?
Why can't everyone have a healthy appetite for learning?
If one of my professors saw your post, they would be rather ashamed at the prospects. You're telling them that they'll forget eventually, no matter the case. Why can't you inspire a will to learn rather than a will to ignore?
Also, random question: Did either of your parents go to college?
Of course, my Uncle was the first in our family to go to college, neither of my parents or my stepdad went to college either...
My point is we should stop being so ignorant! Why does it have to be 'inevitable' that everything be forgotten?
I'd really much prefer if knowledge were promoted. Especially when ignorance has for such a long time taken their hold over so many spoiled americans.
There's a reason why they have you study a variety of subjects, like it or not. I'm tired of illiteracy taking hold over everyone.
Do you mean to say that you promote ignorance? How depressing! Surely one who thinks everything will be forgotten does not deserve admittance to a college at all!
I can honestly say that your first statement in that post is one that speaks the truth. ;)
However, you're bringing up a lot of the stuff I'm saying out of context. For one, I'm not saying that everyone shouldn't have a healthy appetite for learning--far from it. It's that he or she should have a healthy appetite for learning what he or she wants to learn, not what some stupid legislator tells us what we "should" learn.
QuoteIf one of my professors saw your post, they would be rather ashamed at the prospects. You're telling them that they'll forget eventually, no matter the case. Why can't you inspire a will to learn rather than a will to ignore?
*facepalm*
That is not what I'm saying! I'm saying that they'll forget
if they never apply what they learn, which is what happens to a lot of the stuff we do learn in high school. I can be ashamed to say that I've forgotten much of what happens during the Krebs Cycle, as an example, but that's because I never had a use for it. I've also forgotten many of the numbers of most of the amendments to the Constitution, too.
Because I seldom had a use for knowing the numbers in my life.QuoteMy point is we should stop being so ignorant! Why does it have to be 'inevitable' that everything be forgotten?
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There's a reason why they have you study a variety of subjects, like it or not. I'm tired of illiteracy taking hold over everyone.
Do you mean to say that you promote ignorance? How depressing! Surely one who thinks everything will be forgotten does not deserve admittance to a college at all!
Again, you take what I say out of context. I believe that it was HNS who said that wisdom is actually applying the knowledge you obtain, and I say that wisdom is the opposite of ignorance. Thus, from that, you could say that mindlessly learning it and never applying it later is ignorance in itself.
Yeah, there is a reason we learn it: to keep ourselves out of the job market and to delay adulthood. (Read
My Ishmael for more details, please. I don't think I could do it justice if I tried unless I actually quoted it.)
What? Is that not the reason you thought of? Well, how about giving me a reason when you mention that there is a reason? If you can't give me the reason, how do you know there
is a logical reason?
To sum it up, I DO NOT THINK THAT EVERYTHING WILL BE FORGOTTEN. I only speak of the stuff that you never use, which is quite a bit of what you are made to learn in high school, which is simply ridiculous. If you use it, of course you're going to remember it! I'm sure you can agree with me on that point. If you learn something and never use it...look, you know what I'm going to say. That's what I've
been saying for the past two posts or so. Everything != some.
You tell me that wanting to learn only what you want to learn and actually need to learn to survive in the world is
ignorance?
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And to answer your college question, I believe so. My mom wanted a degree in criminal justice and to become a police officer, but after that lawsuit...well, she couldn't finish it. >_>
I'm sure my dad attended college, too, though. Don't really remember what in.
Quote from: MagmarFire on November 21, 2008, 02:11:32 PM
You tell me that wanting to learn only what you want to learn and actually need to learn to survive in the world is ignorance?
I never said this at ALL.
You've forgotten the amendments to the constitution? Even the Most important ones (the first ten)?
Look, there's no way for you to know what you're going to use and what you
aren't going to use. To cast aside certain things in the present (that is, not studying or working to do well in class) will lead only to a negative effect on the person's part when suddenly they find that there useful applications to it. Knowing the amendments to the constituion, for example helps you understand what rights a person has. Knowing the major Supreme court rulings as well as understanding the constitution makes you more aware of what the government can and cannot do, to keep vigilant against abuses of powers. You might find yourself in legal trouble one day, and if for example, one were picked up by the cops and not read ones rights, you would understand that would be illegal.
Mags' picture didn't work. His argument is invalid.
Honestly though, you both have points. I don't think there's a right way since it varies by situation.
My argument is simply that Mags should not tell someone who's not even in high school that he shouldn't study his hardest because some things may not apply to his career path, even though someone who's 13's job preference is likely to be completely different from what the adult sees as his job preference.
That is the flaw in the logic.
Quotewho's 13's job preference is likely to be completely different from what the adult sees as his job preference.
My dad's still shooting for astronaut. Your argument is invalid.
He's not really saying he shouldn't study hard so much as he shouldn't study stuff he doesn't care for.
I is a women folk and would like to say that womens that are worth anything in a relationship appreciate people who are who they are. No drugs to make you look cooler, no two personalities that change when you're around friends than around your girlfriend, and no doing stupid crap to impress the other.
I spent my freshman and most of my sophmore year in high school being quite reclusive and just... not very social, due to some confidence issues brought about certain people we won't get into detail about now. However, this year (juniour year) I decided to hell with it, I'm not going to see any of these people again, so it doesn't really matter too much if I make a bad impression on them.
So I've become more social and "out-there;" people know me now as the person who always draws all those dead rabbits and asks all sorts of awkward questions.
And I'm an honours student and yeah, I'm supposed to make good grades, which I do, but I don't honestly consider education too crucial a part of my school life, now.
Quote from: Fiskers on November 21, 2008, 03:54:12 PMI don't honestly consider education too crucial a part of my school life, now.
Doesn't that defeat the purpose?
She probably just considers social life more important at the moment, a sentiment shared by many others of like age.
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on November 21, 2008, 03:01:29 PM
You've forgotten the amendments to the constitution? Even the Most important ones (the first ten)?
Look, there's no way for you to know what you're going to use and what you aren't going to use. To cast aside certain things in the present (that is, not studying or working to do well in class) will lead only to a negative effect on the person's part when suddenly they find that there useful applications to it.
No, I forgot most of the amendment
numbers (as in what number attributes to what amendment). I think I'm rather sound on the amendments, rest assured. ;)
All right, yes, there isn't a way for us to know what we're going to use. But does that mean we leave it up to legislators to make that decision for us? They don't really know much better than we do! Our interests are likely different, and, thus, our pathways are different. What gives them the right to control the people like that?
And
when the person realizes that there are useful applications for it? More like "if, for some statistically unlikely reason, the person realizes it."
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on November 21, 2008, 03:35:43 PM
My argument is simply that Mags should not tell someone who's not even in high school that he shouldn't study his hardest because some things may not apply to his career path, even though someone who's 13's job preference is likely to be completely different from what the adult sees as his job preference.
That is the flaw in the logic.
I don't see a flaw in my logic; to me, it still seems completely logical. :-/
Quote from: Shika on November 21, 2008, 03:30:37 PM
Mags' picture didn't work. His argument is invalid.
I lol in your direction, good sir. :P
School prepares you for the real world; yes, you need edumacation, but it's not as important and building proper bonds with other humans and learning how life works.
i.e., school isn't JUST about learning yourself a book.
There are, however, other, more effective places for said social interactions. I could name a few of my examples, but since I'm not particularly..."normal," I'm not sure how well received they'd be.
And you can stay home all day reading encyclopedias and watching documentaries.
My point is still valid.
I never said it wasn't.
This is true. Sorry about that, Mags, I'm going crazy and seeing text that isn't there. :c
It's just that for me, the biggest place where could get anything remotely 'social' was at school, and I really wasn't a very social person. Nor did I have the internet until the summer before my senior year in high school.
Looking back I feel that I've missed a lot of things relationship and social-wise.
I've already gone over a year and a half of College, I have 3 years left. And I feel like I need to do a lot more socially. It's just that I can't find anyone to hang around with (usual problem). So I'm a bit worried on missing out on memorable times.
Ah, don't worry too much, JQ. I can't really predict the future, but it's certainly not too late for anyone to place him- or herself into social situations. Just take it all one step at a time, and I'm sure experience will increase.
Someone once told me that being nervous about new things is a good thing; it's an indicator of room for beneficial experience. You can do it, man. ;)
Quote from: Fiskers on November 22, 2008, 05:24:12 PM
This is true. Sorry about that, Mags, I'm going crazy and seeing text that isn't there. :c
No, you're fine. ;D
Except I have a huge thing that makes social contact difficult: My severe hearing impairment.
I thought you had surgery to help that.
The Cochlear implant yes, and it does help. However, I will need extensive training in understand and recognize what the human voice is saying. I seem to have lost that abillity to a significant degree after all this time...
Perhaps find a different way to communicate? You're big on art, I'm sure you can find some way to make connections through that.
Be like Ozzy in that one commercial. Just text message everybody.
But that would get expensive.
Notebook time!
DH, ive been a teen for some time now and i want to share my vast knowlegde with you. Your dad is pretty tall. I inspect you to become that tall some day. Or shrink like your mom :P. But you ar still growing. You'll be surprised how fast you'll grow. It's going to take awhile to get use to it. Just steer clear of accidents. 8)
And if you were wise, not that you're not, you would keep your virginity until your 18. Seriously. I helps mentally, and your parents won't yell at you as much if you don't. Just some advice.