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Title: These games are hard.
Post by: Darth Wyndisis on February 22, 2005, 04:19:40 PM
Boy, they don't make games like they used to.  In some senses, that is a good thing for me, I have AoL and I am not even past Parapa Palace (L1).  All that work for a CANDLE?!  Can anyone give me some tips to help me?  Like what is a good way to fight the boomerang throwing Goriyas?
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Jack on February 22, 2005, 04:23:49 PM
My strategy for AoL has always been to grab the items then go back and do the bosses at the very end of the game. At least, I refuse to go within three inches of Horsehead without the Jump and Downthrust techniques.

As for the Goriyas, I just jump a lot and hope that I manage to avoid the Boomerangs. The worst are those big Yetis that throw spoons at you (though, I doubt that's what they really are/do).
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Darth Wyndisis on February 22, 2005, 04:27:48 PM
Oh, so you don't have to complete certain levels to move on to others?  How far away is that candle in the palace anyway?  That game is sure hard to figure out, heck, I didn't even know how to pick up items until yesterday. :-[
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Jack on February 22, 2005, 05:01:32 PM
The Candle's on the bottom floor over to the far left, past some bits, bots, and one Goriya I believe.

You really only need the items to move around the world, but you need to beat the bosses to access the very last temple (Great Palace).
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Darth Wyndisis on February 22, 2005, 07:12:26 PM
Whoo!  I got the candle.  I am so proud of myself. :D  I need the jump spell to get through that cave south of Ruto.  I hope I can get that.

Edit:  I looked up the Jump Spell on this site.  Where is Darunia Town?
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Jack on February 22, 2005, 08:23:30 PM
Across the sea, it'll be a bit before you get there.   :-\

Edit: Here's a map (http://desertcolossus.com/images/classichyrule.jpg).
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Marin on February 23, 2005, 01:42:10 PM
In the game can we expect to be able to get to the other places curintly unavalible?
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Master Goron on February 23, 2005, 07:43:19 PM
I would assume yes, unless it's past the borders or not supposed to be in the game.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Darth Wyndisis on March 03, 2005, 01:25:22 PM
There is an error in the instructions to get the Jump Spell.  You said it was in Darunia, but it is in Ruto Town.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Jack on March 03, 2005, 05:58:54 PM
Thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: adlez on March 31, 2005, 12:17:33 PM
Hi,  first thing, that map is a composite of The Legend of Zelda at the bottom and The Adventure of Link at the top half.

About this game. Stop saying it's hard!  Lots of people say this game is hard.  IT IS NOT!  I love this game.  And btw, you can go so far as to defeat the bosses of the Castles, then backtrack out of them. Saving yourself for that final amassing of players to take across the lava field to the Great Palace.  Trust me, if you're a 1st time player of this game, you'll need every player you can your clammy little paws on.

By the way again, be sure to learn the locations of all the Link Dolls.  You might want to try and take at least 15 players with you as you go to the lava field and Great Palace for the 1st time.

Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Darth Wyndisis on April 01, 2005, 08:19:13 AM
Quote from: adlez on March 31, 2005, 12:17:33 PM
Stop saying it's hard!  Lots of people say this game is hard.  IT IS NOT!  I love this game.

Dude, if you know how mentally challanged I am when it comes to playing Zelda, the fact that is hard for me should not surprise you.  I love the game to, I love Zelda, I am just terrible at playing them.  Wind Waker was a challange for me for goodness sake!  Check out my thread in the ALTTP section called "Shadow's Stupid Questions."  Plus, considering that I have the motor skills of a four-year-old, it is insanely hard for me to get link facing in the right direction in with that tiny GAMECUBE D-Pad.  I tried to lower my shield when an Armos is swinging its sword at me low, and I turn around backward.  BOOM!  DEAD!

Now, what are those, "players," you mentioned?
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Master Goron on April 01, 2005, 08:35:34 AM
I'm assuming the "players" are lives or something, 'cause she said that you want to take as many as possible to the lava field and Great Palace.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: adlez on April 01, 2005, 08:42:38 AM
Oy vey!  Don't talk about Wind Waker.  I have the game My niece has the game cueb. My mistake.  I never actually looked at the controller before I purchased the WWgame.  Result.  Wind Waker just sits in my cabinet.  I can't stand the joystick feature on that controller.  I also bought Megaman Transmissions the same day. Two games I bought for crap.  I know HORI makes a controller for the GC but it doesn't play well with wind Waker. Result. *HEAVY, HEAVY SIGH, 'CAUSE I JUST WASTED MY CASH.

About the players... okay ,I believe you are the guy who said you're lazy and doesn't like to work for points and players.  HELLO, you'll have to work for these.  Okay, you can get all the Link Dolls for 6 Players, i believe it is.  And you can find a map on a certain site that will show you exactly where they are located.  After that, you'll need to amass the 9000 pts for a new player dude.

That's why I advise, kill all the Bosses of the castles and exit thru the front door.  Saves the possibility of losing a player during a boss fight.  You can quickly amass points in the Water Temple.  There is a room where brown block fall to the floor next to a key.  In the place you can use that flying eye to amass all the men you want.  You will however have to get it in just the right groove to may it come in every 1/4 sec or so.  

Btw, call me dudette.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Aeliran on April 01, 2005, 09:07:54 PM
Quote from: adlez on April 01, 2005, 08:42:38 AM
Oy vey!  Don't talk about Wind Waker.  I have the game My niece has the game cueb. My mistake.  I never actually looked at the controller before I purchased the WWgame.  Result.  Wind Waker just sits in my cabinet.  I can't stand the joystick feature on that controller.  I also bought Megaman Transmissions the same day. Two games I bought for crap.  I know HORI makes a controller for the GC but it doesn't play well with wind Waker. Result. *HEAVY, HEAVY SIGH, 'CAUSE I JUST WASTED MY CASH.

It don't take that much getting used to. That's all it is, really, getting used to it like any other controller. I'm already back at the high Horseback archery level on OoT that I was on the 64.

QuoteAbout the players... okay ,I believe you are the guy who said you're lazy and doesn't like to work for points and players.  HELLO, you'll have to work for these.  Okay, you can get all the Link Dolls for 6 Players, i believe it is.  And you can find a map on a certain site that will show you exactly where they are located.  After that, you'll need to amass the 9000 pts for a new player dude.

HELLO, not everyone has to WORK on a game. Work symbolizes something done because it HAS to be. And not EVERYONE has to play the same way as you, you may have had to have all the lives, but I may only have to have 2-3.

QuoteThat's why I advise, kill all the Bosses of the castles and exit thru the front door.  Saves the possibility of losing a player during a boss fight.  You can quickly amass points in the Water Temple.  There is a room where brown block fall to the floor next to a key.  In the place you can use that flying eye to amass all the men you want.  You will however have to get it in just the right groove to may it come in every 1/4 sec or so.

There's more ways than having to sit in one place, I hope! And besides, if you level up, the points that a creature gave you isn't going to be as much. Two points takes TOO LONG to get to some of those levels. ><  

QuoteBtw, call me dudette.

How bout just your screen name? XP
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: adlez on April 02, 2005, 12:49:43 PM
Aeliran, my loathe of the joy feature is because it affords me little to no control of the game.  Even when playing with the NES & SNES controllers I place them on a flat surface top for maximux controll.  I never hold them in my hands. I don't know how I would overcome such a habit.

As for your definition of "WORK".  I find work to be the arduous part of a JOB.  When you have a job to do and you don't get it done the first time, then you create work for yourself.  

And you're correct when you say, you may need only 2-3 lives to get to and thru the GREAT PALACE.  Maybe you are that good a player.  However, I'm willing to bet that on your 1st time going to the Palace, 2-3 lives won't get you through the Lava Fields.

ShadowLink was saying he has yet to get to the Palace.  He's having a problem with the Goriyas.  Can you imagine what that Red and Blue Knight will do to him.  

Even now when I play this game i insure my safety with at least 10 lives.  No. I don't need them, but suppose I'm having a bad day and nothing is going right. The blue knight is H-O-W and the Red one is just sheer daeth.  What if every time I go to get a bottle of potion from the wall statue it kills me.

And the FIREBIRD! So, I play a safe game.  You however, can go there with just the 2-3 players and survive.  Truth be told, I have learned to traverse the Lava Field and play the Palace without loss of life ... but that's me, not ShadowLink.


As for the dudette.  It's just my way of letting whomever called me a dude know that I'm a female.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: bgrugby on May 20, 2005, 06:59:31 PM
Even to this day, I find the original Zelda games as hard as I did when they first came out, in fact harder. I am so used to easy games that come out like clockwork today. I have more trouble beating Shadow Link in Zelda II then any recent game bosses.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: zeldafreak1997 on May 30, 2005, 06:01:00 AM
Quote from: shadowlink13 on April 01, 2005, 08:19:13 AM
Quote from: adlez on March 31, 2005, 12:17:33 PM
Stop saying it's hard!  Lots of people say this game is hard.  IT IS NOT!  I love this game.

Dude, if you know how mentally challanged I am when it comes to playing Zelda, the fact that is hard for me should not surprise you.  I love the game to, I love Zelda, I am just terrible at playing them.  Wind Waker was a challange for me for goodness sake!  Check out my thread in the ALTTP section called "Shadow's Stupid Questions."  Plus, considering that I have the motor skills of a four-year-old, it is insanely hard for me to get link facing in the right direction in with that tiny GAMECUBE D-Pad.  I tried to lower my shield when an Armos is swinging its sword at me low, and I turn around backward.  BOOM!  DEAD!

Now, what are those, "players," you mentioned?
i know really! ive been playing WW since it came out and i still didnt beat it! (im on the triforse shards) but anyways i can beat the levels in loz but i can find the second dungon! i mean the first one was really short, but all in all shuldnt they be easy if their early games?
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: bgrugby on May 30, 2005, 09:29:49 AM
Well most games today are alot easier then games from the original NES. Of course the reason is obvious and that is game makers do not give a damn about how difficult a game is or even if the storyline is any good, just about getting the game out as fast as possible and to make money. Zelda games seem to get easier and easier each time they come out, I hope this changes with the new one.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Red_Fury on May 31, 2005, 10:41:29 AM
I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with Bg on this one. Games today are easier than the old NES games through advancements in gameplay. A case in point is the original Metroid which you can get hopelessly lost in because they didn't supply a map, or give you any clue where to go next.

The same is true of the old Zelda games. In the first Legend of Zelda, you could get lost and killed by about 10 spear throwing moblins twice before you saw a dungeon. About every third monster held a rupee and the items cost around 100 rupees, meaning that it took forever to buy items.

So it isn't that the games are easier, it's games are easier to play.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: bgrugby on May 31, 2005, 12:21:04 PM
That is a good point Red, I did not think about that. But what also makes games alot easier now is the Internet. Back in the old NES the only "free" way to get advice or hints on a game was to ask a friend who already beat the game. Now you can go anywhere on the Internet and get complete walkthroughs for games which in my opinion takes all the fun out of them.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: zeldafreak1997 on June 01, 2005, 03:20:56 PM
and lets not forget the nintendo hotline, witch costs like $7.00 a minute to talk to some guy named bob ;)
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: bgrugby on June 01, 2005, 03:25:02 PM
Yeah but who actually does that when, as I said, you can just go on websites like gamefaq and get a complete walkthrough to any game.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: gorjak on June 22, 2005, 01:31:33 PM
Uh huh.I hardly ever read walkthroughs,but I hate LoZ and AoL.They're really hard,I got lost 12 times before I reached Ganon in LoZ,and I lost like 14 out of my 15 lives in the Lava Fields,and only finished off Thunderbird when I was down to one Health Bar Point(I got through the Great Palace without having to use Shield even once,though.That was pretty easy for me,because luck helped me find the right rooms.).And I still haven't beaten the game!Link's Shadow kept butchering me,even with Shield activated.

Anyway,otherwise the game was 75% impossible for me without the Fire Spell--the Shield Spell barely helped,and I got killed twice when fighting Horsehead,'cos I ran out of Magic Bar Points for Jump(The first few I spent on Shield).Even Ironknuckle knocked off five lives when my friend killed him and still had all his 11 lives and lost only two Health Bar Points,and the Life Spell is TOTAL TRASH!IIt barely restores any Health Bar Points,and I made a big mistake to use it vs. Carock(My Reflect Spell activation was a second too late)...I once even gave my original AoL for the NES to this nerd in my school,I give them 0 out of 5!
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Evilslayer on June 23, 2005, 11:54:02 PM
That was pretty harsh. ::) But those games will always be my two favourites. The nostalgia is so great. And Link with dark hair is the best.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: bgrugby on June 26, 2005, 12:19:45 AM
Quote from: Evilslayer on June 23, 2005, 11:54:02 PM
That was pretty harsh. ::) But those games will always be my two favourites. The nostalgia is so great. And Link with dark hair is the best.

Agreed, hands down the two greatest Zelda games in the series and with the original as my favorite game of all time.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: link on July 04, 2005, 10:31:28 AM
Quote from: Jack on March 03, 2005, 05:58:54 PM
Thanks for the heads up!
how do you get over hireling
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Rievault on July 04, 2005, 10:40:58 AM
Quote from: link on July 04, 2005, 10:31:28 AM
Quote from: Jack on March 03, 2005, 05:58:54 PM
Thanks for the heads up!
how do you get over hireling

You get more posts, and this really doesn't belong here. This is a thread concerning how hard some of the NES Zelda games are, so please try not to post off-topic. Send a PM (private message) to someone if you're having trouble.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Darth Wyndisis on July 04, 2005, 11:33:30 AM
Horsehead is a real booger!  I know, it's pathetic that I am only that far.  I have L4 of everything.  I bet everyone else beat him with L2 or less. ::) :( ;D
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: zeldafreak1997 on July 04, 2005, 12:55:32 PM
anywayi was bord the other day. so i dusted og my  GBA and started playing LOZ. like 20 sec.s into the game i died. this keeped on going on for about oh say 5 min.s i got all in a huff screamed and turned off the game boy. this was going on in all most all the games i was playing that day. :-\ luckly it stoped today.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Jack on July 04, 2005, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: shadowlink13 on July 04, 2005, 11:33:30 AM
Horsehead is a real booger!

When playing AOL I always wait to get the downthrust before I go after Horsehead.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Master Goron on September 05, 2005, 11:18:32 AM
I just beat LoZ on GBA yesterday! 93 deaths... All I can say is that I don't remember it being that hard, especially level 6. That was brutal.

Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Cyclos on September 09, 2005, 09:02:02 AM
I just got zelda 1 and 2 and they are hard
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: phantompig on September 15, 2005, 04:44:30 PM
I'm in the thunderbird battle in Zelda 2 and the bloody bird can beat me in three hits. I nearly broke my SP after all the attempts I made to beat the fowl. This game is kickin' my a**
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Cyclos on September 16, 2005, 09:53:17 AM
I have trouble finding the dungeons
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: phantompig on September 19, 2005, 04:12:55 PM
I defeated Zelda 2 and I have to say that I'm a bit dissapointed with the last boss. Shadowlink is a piece of happy birth day cake compared to thunderbird. It took me one try to defeat shadowlink while it took at least ten times to defeat thunderbird.

Well, now that I'v gotten that out of my system. I only have ONE MORE GAME TO GO. Once I defeat the Wind Waker, I will have beaten every zelda game on the market...bad part is I don't have a gamecube.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: kamakaziplumber on September 19, 2005, 04:20:08 PM
Quote from: phantompig on September 19, 2005, 04:12:55 PM
I defeated Zelda 2 and I have to say that I'm a bit dissapointed with the last boss. Shadowlink is a piece of happy birth day cake compared to thunderbird. It took me one try to defeat shadowlink while it took at least ten times to defeat thunderbird.

Well, now that I'v gotten that out of my system. I only have ONE MORE GAME TO GO. Once I defeat the Wind Waker, I will have beaten every zelda game on the market...bad part is I don't have a gamecube.

You aren't counting Four Swords Adventures for Gamecube, or the Philips games (even though they're really bad). So you aren't done yet, even after Wind Waker...
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: phantompig on September 19, 2005, 04:35:43 PM
I don't count the phillip's games. And I don't count FSA since it is very similiar to FS in my opinion.

end of story/fable/myth.
;D
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: kamakaziplumber on September 19, 2005, 05:42:45 PM
Yes, but opinion is different from fact. The fact is that those are technically Zelda games, therefore you must have played them to have beaten every single one. You might also count the Zelda Game & Watch, but thats not so much of a game. Neither is the Zelda board game. Yes, they do exist...
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: phantompig on September 19, 2005, 06:04:36 PM
What does the last phrase say in my last post?  ;D

Who agrees with me on the whole last boss is way easy idea?
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: kamakaziplumber on September 19, 2005, 06:10:26 PM
Ah, but the legend isn't over until you've beaten every game!

As far as the last boss goes, I still haven't gotten there. Curse the AoL saving system! But still, I'd have to say that its pretty common for Zelda bosses to be easy. It's weird, actually. Somewhat dissapointing, yet not diminishing. The game stays good!
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: MagmarFire on April 05, 2006, 05:44:46 PM
True, but I wouldn't mind tough bosses, also.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Mysterious F. on May 21, 2006, 06:52:09 AM
I gave up on Aol. I'm good at LOZ, but I gave it to a friend.
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Hi no Seijin on May 21, 2006, 04:30:15 PM
The first time I played TAoL, once I got past Thunderbird, I didn't stop until I beated Shadow Link.  Now that I'm trying to beat Thunderbird again, I can't do it!
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: MasterKeyX on June 06, 2006, 08:45:49 AM
Thunderbirds MADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD hard to find! I cant even get there without dying! stupid enemies....
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Anju on June 06, 2006, 02:11:03 PM
I don't know which temple comes next in the first one! >:(
Title: Re:These games are hard.
Post by: Nabooru on July 09, 2006, 10:41:04 PM
Not only are dungeons hard finding them is!