Remember when I theorized that the romans were the hylians ancestors. Well I did some "research", and have changed my theory.
I now believe that the ancient Greeks were the hylians ancestors. Their architecture was actually stolen by the romans, and they were commonly enslaved by the romans. So I theorize that to escape from the hardships of slavery, the greeks built boats and sailed through the Mediterannean Sea (the Great Sea), but were caught in a harsh storm. It was then that the Oocca came and guided them through the storm to what would one day become the kingdom of Hyrule. Once there, they settled and befriended the various races of the new land and adopted some of their legends.
I just thought I'd share this. You don't have to believe it. 8)
Quote from: Rorschach Mikaudes on March 11, 2009, 11:29:22 PM
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on March 11, 2009, 05:09:45 PM
Quote from: JoeLink on March 11, 2009, 12:12:24 PM
Many great people had their ideas called "delusional", and they ended up famous. So I am just going to ignore what you said. :P
Oh, you mean like Johannes Kepler? Or Galileo Galilei? Didn't it turn out that they were, you know, right? You do know that their ideas were actually based on solid evidence, correct?
I don't know what you mean HNS, of course there is solid evidence!
The fact that Miyamoto desgined WindWaker to have the same constelations as Earth clearly means that he found some obscure book in Japan that told the story of an ancient civilization from Rome that somehow managed to go unsuspected by all the contemporary cultures, brought the world to the brink of destruction quite a lot of times, had roughly 1500 years of secret history, then vanished (along with all the monsters, architecture, heck! even their physical laws) and left all but a lonely book that wound up on a different ocean and that was able to be translated by a Japanese kid in the 50's.
Geez HNS, don't you have you know, like common sense?
Mikaudes sarcasm works here as well, so here we go. Now I don't have to repeat myself. At least not for everything.
As neat as it would be for Hyrule to have once existed on Earth, the plain truth of it is that it never did; it is just far too implausible that such a large nation that would have had such a huge impact on the world could exist without any other civilization knowing about it, and the only record of its existence is a book found on the other side of the world by a child who kept it a secret.
To prove that such a nation as Hyrule could have once existed on Earth, you would need solid evidence that can't be refuted and has to be logical. All of your evidence is non-existential and illogical, and when you try to present it as factual, you're wrong. Europe has a relatively excellent record for their region and their time period, and they show no record about Hyrule. Hyrule would be a large nation, and large nations are not easy to hide. Consider also that Ganon's goal of conquering the world would have affected Rome, and like hell they would take that lying down, as they were going for the same goal. Of course they would take note of it, and I highly doubt they would get rid of any record about it; see, Ganon may not have attacked the Romans directly, but he would send minions to attack Rome. Considering that an army of skeletons and two-legged pigs did not conquer the Roman Empire, they never existed, for the Romans would have celebrated this victory and make a record about it. There's also the fact that Hyrule would have had thousands of years of history behind it. The Roman Empire reached it's height at around 2,000 years ago, and if that's about the time Hyrule was founded, it would probably still exist today, and we definitely have no record of a large, medieval kingdom over in Europe or anywhere else in the world. True, humans still haven't discovered every single landmark Earth has to offer, but we're talking about a decent sized kingdom with it's own culture; that is something we would without a doubt notice.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but a Hyrule on Earth is not possible; it's just wishful thinking, and it would be a waste of time to try to convince the whole world otherwise.
Then how is it North and South America went unnoticed for hundreds of years, huh? And Hyrule is not THAT big of a kingdom, it was supposedly a relatively small island in the middle of the Mediterannean sea.
And heres something to think about: TWW: Nudge: "Respect has nothing to do with how long you've been on the EARTH, but you're probably to young to understand that."
And: TWW: Makar: "When all went dark around me I thought my time on the EARTH was over."
And they're not talking about dirt or land, they're talking about the planet EARTH.
So....Ha! Take that!
Might Just be Japanese to English Translation errors.
Or the lack of better words to discribe the world they live on.
Man, Think before you talk.
Quote from: JoeLink on May 08, 2009, 06:20:36 PM
And they're not talking about dirt or land, they're talking about the planet EARTH.
So....Ha! Take that!
Um...no, they're not? (Hehe, I can argue the same way, too! =D )
Again,
earth is not capitalized if it's being used as a synonym for
land or
existence. It's as simple as that. Nintendo messing up the same word two times in the same game is quite a long shot if you ask me. You're just rejecting my argument outright without any proof against mine, only saying adamantly that what they said has to have a particular meaning without any regard for whatever other interpretation can be read from it.
Dare I ask which argument, then, is the stronger of the two?
Thats not really true. Earth can mean the planet earth even if it's not capatalized (I've seen it in my science books), so thats not really any proof at all. 8)
Well just because it's YOUR science book doesn't mean it's right. Does your science book say that man evolved from apes? NO.
And they're not literally talking about OUR EARTH. They're talking about THEIR earth. Not ours, theirs.
Anyway, I think you need to listen to other people.
How many planet earths are there? Last I checked there was only one. 8)
You just don't get it do you?
THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT THEIR EARTH.
NOT OURS.
What, are they supposed to call their planet "Mars"?
Ok, tell me. Suppose Hyrule really was on OUR earth. How does Nintendo know something that everyone else in the world doesn't?
Even if they were talking about our Earth, that doesn't prove they existed. It's fictional.
I mean SURE it'd be awesome if Hyrule was real.
Sure it even could have existed once and everything and everyone went extinct and it's all buried int the ocean now, or even buried under us.
That could explain how we never find anything.
But how can you explain the timeline and as I asked before, how would NIntendo know something that everyone else int he world doesn't?
OK, that does it. I need real proof, JoeLink.
Go into Google Earth, find those places you think are Hyrule/Great Sea, New Hyrule, Termina, Holdrum, Labryna and Calatia, then post the coordinates. If you say Hyrule is as recent as it is, the configuration of the islands and land masses can not have possibly changed beyond recognition.
Pretty please?
If I am correct, theories are backed up with real proof.
True, without solid proof, it's just speculation, or at best a hypothesis IF the observation makes perfec sense.
Dude, like I said before, ITS BURIED BENEATH THE SEA. The land has obviously been destroyed by underwater erosion. And I'm pretty sure a land can be forgotten, especially if it was BURIED BENEATH THE SEA.
And I'm pretty sure that Labrynna and Holodrum would've been caught up in the flood too. And I don't believe in New Hyrule. I think TWW/PH are the last stories(games) in the timeline. I also believe in a single timeline.
I'm not trying to make you believe, I'm just trying to post my beliefs. I am sorry if it came out like that. I mean, everybody has something to believe that gives them hope right? This is what gives me hope. :(
It's the Theories section. You should be prepared to have your "beliefs" criticized and all the flaws pointed out.
Quote from: JoeLink on May 08, 2009, 08:47:38 PM
Thats not really true. Earth can mean the planet earth even if it's not capatalized (I've seen it in my science books), so thats not really any proof at all. 8)
And I've also seen my biology book say that zero divided by zero is zero. Does that mean it's true? No; in the real number set, it's undefined, much like taking the square root of a negative number is undefined in the same set. More to the point, I'd rather observe how things are capitalized in my
English book than in a
science book. I'll give your science book the benefit of the doubt if the article
the preceded
earth, which would be correct capitalization, regardless of how the word's used. I've been going over grammar stuff for
years, so I should know this stuff on the fly.
In fact, here's more support for my argument:
Quote from: University of MinnesotaDo not capitalize the word earth unless it is used without the definite article in connection with the names of other planets.
The earth rotates on its axis.
Mercury is the planet closest to the sun, followed by Venus and Earth.
Quote from: richmond.eduGenerally put in lowercase, but capitalize when used as a proper name.
ex.: In his garden, he enjoyed the feeling of earth between his fingers.
"You Earth creatures make me VERY angry, " the Martian shouted as he pulled out his disintegrator.
Quote from: englishplus.com. . .[E]arth, moon, and sun are not capitalized unless in a list of celestial objects or part of another name.
Correct: I was born on the earth.
Correct: The first three planets from the Sun are Mercury, Venus, and Earth.
(In a list)
So yes, what I said is actually true.
Rotflcopter XPP
Sorry Joe, but it's at least 5 to 1.
Now I can see this, though I'm not agreeing with you:
Hyrule and allll those other Zelda lands could have been buried in the ocean (or the Great Sea). And just before all went extinct, they burned everything that could possibly lead to finding their remains. And now everything is buried great leagues under the ocean.
And here's another one:
Hyrule and alllllllll those other Zelda lands existed before the Great Flood (the one in the Bible, where Noah built and arc and stuff, not the one in TWW or w/e). Now, I don't remember the story of Noah and the Arc very well so bear with me.
Noah and his family stayed in one place for a while while they built the arc, correct? Now, back then, all kinds of animals existed. Unicorns, dragons (yes, dragons probably did used to exist. I can find the theory my dad told me [he found it somewhere] and post it in either the GD or the Chatboard), etc etc... So octorocks, dodongo's, fairies, could have existed, only not where Noah was.
And the reason why no one knows about them is because they didn't know about the flood, so all that land got buried under that flood and Noah and his family never knew about them.
And yeah, I'm not agreeing with you I'm jsut saying what you're probably thinking.
And hat last one probably sounds cheesey but w/e XP
Quote from: HackerHero92 on May 08, 2009, 10:41:57 PM
Even if they were talking about our Earth, that doesn't prove they existed. It's fictional.
That is a very good point. How many other video games and movies use the earth as a setting?
And I have said this before, but I will say it again, there is no way the ocean level can rise enough to almost completly cover an island and not have an effect on coastal areas throughout the world. If such a significant flood ever happened, we would know about it. People build cities close to the water because of transportation needs and stuff, so if such a flood occured, there would be a crapload of coastal cities that would have been wiped off the map along with Hyrule, and
that definatly wouldn't go unnoticed.
I don't think it was just the torrential downpours that caused Hyrule to sink beneath the sea, I also think an earthquake may have done it. I have heard that earthquakes can sink islands beneath the sea, and Hyrule is placed along a fault-line (Death Mountain is proof of that, volcanoes are commonly found near fault-lines), so I take it that earthquakes would've been relatively common there.
This would've caused Hyrule to sink beneath the sea, without really affecting the mainland.
That may be true, but to sink an island as tall as Dragon Roost there would be the need of a massive earthquake, one that would have been felt in a radius thousands of miles long, also, an earthquake of that magnitude would have considerably shifted the Earth's axis, messing with the world weather and making the semi-stable conditions we have today impossible.
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but if your theory was substantially plausible, we would have assuredly found signs of some of the beasts that inhabited Hyrule in terms of fossils, imprints, etc. already.
Not all creatures are preserved as fossils when they die. Plus, when Hyrule was buried beneath the sea, underwater erosion would have done considerable damage to it.
Quote from: JoeLink on May 08, 2009, 10:10:25 PM
How many planet earths are there? Last I checked there was only one.
So you can prove, beyond any doubt, that our planet is the only planet in the
entire universe that can support life? Yeah, not even an organization like NASA can prove that. The odds are good that there are other planets that can support life out there, even if we can't see them.
Also, what better name to call your planet than Earth, especially if you are incapable of interplanetary travel?
Quote from: JoeLink on May 10, 2009, 08:01:26 PM
Not all creatures are preserved as fossils when they die. Plus, when Hyrule was buried beneath the sea, underwater erosion would have done considerable damage to it.
Given the time period you put down for the establishment of Hyrule, and given that bones are easily fossilized, we would have found fossil evidence for creatures like wolfoses. And given that they have a unique form, and therefore a unique skeleton, I doubt we would mistake it for something else.
Also, as Wyndisis pointed out, no flood of the magnitude that it would take to submerge Hyrule would go unnoticed.
And again, Hyrule has thousands of years of history, and if it was established sometime during the reign of the Roman Empire as you claim, we would have a record of it, even if a giant flood was to somehow affect only Hyrule. If we threw out records of civilizations just because they don't exist anymore, then we wouldn't know about civilizations such as the Mesopotamians or the Romans.
Don't call it a theory if you won't change it in the face of new and better evidence. Don't even post it if you don't want us to point out all the flaws.
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on May 10, 2009, 08:43:56 PM
Quote from: JoeLink on May 08, 2009, 10:10:25 PM
How many planet earths are there? Last I checked there was only one.
So you can prove, beyond any doubt, that our planet is the only planet in the entire universe that can support life? Yeah, not even an organization like NASA can prove that. The odds are good that there are other planets that can support life out there, even if we can't see them.
Also, what better name to call your planet than Earth, especially if you are incapable of interplanetary travel?
Quote from: JoeLink on May 10, 2009, 08:01:26 PM
Not all creatures are preserved as fossils when they die. Plus, when Hyrule was buried beneath the sea, underwater erosion would have done considerable damage to it.
Given the time period you put down for the establishment of Hyrule, and given that bones are easily fossilized, we would have found fossil evidence for creatures like wolfoses. And given that they have a unique form, and therefore a unique skeleton, I doubt we would mistake it for something else.
Also, as Wyndisis pointed out, no flood of the magnitude that it would take to submerge Hyrule would go unnoticed.
And again, Hyrule has thousands of years of history, and if it was established sometime during the reign of the Roman Empire as you claim, we would have a record of it, even if a giant flood was to somehow affect only Hyrule. If we threw out records of civilizations just because they don't exist anymore, then we wouldn't know about civilizations such as the Mesopotamians or the Romans.
Don't call it a theory if you won't change it in the face of new and better evidence. Don't even post it if you don't want us to point out all the flaws.
Um...Wolfoses are just wolves, dude.
Nothing else I can say at the time, as I am now usually posting on a different fansite(where they are a little bit nicer to me and my beleifs).
Wolfoses are similar to wolves, but their skeletal structures are too different to be the same species.
Thats in OoT/MM. Their "real-life" look appears in TP.
It still isn't proof that Hyrule exists on Earth.
See, by that logic, Middle Earth must have once existed on Earth because humans exist on both Earth and Middle Earth. However, Middle Earth is just as fictional as Hyrule is, so the logic is seriously flawed.
Quote from: JoeLink on June 17, 2009, 04:51:50 PM
Thats in OoT/MM. Their "real-life" look appears in TP.
So their skeletal structure magically shifted?
I hate to give some credit to his theory, but evolution could theoretically change the wolfos from it's OoT/MM counterpart to it's TP counterpart.
However, given the time between OoT and TP, which, unless I'm mistaken, was officially stated as some hundred years between the two, is far too short for such an evolutionary change to take place. It is much more likely that the TP wolfos is a separate species from the OoT/MM wolfos, and that the same name was used for the both of them.
Also, the OoT/MM wolfos could shield itself with its forearms; I don't see why the wolfos would evolve in such a way that it would lose that useful ability. The point behind evolution is to keep attributes that help the species survive while weeding out attributes that are detrimental to the species' survival.
Yes, but they all vanished, all of them, remember?
Weren't the wolfos...es (?) in TP more like ghost-things than actual physical creatures anyway?
That was my impression of them. Maybe they're just a different kind of Wolfos, like the White Wolfos counterpart to the standard kind in the N64 games?
The wolfoses on Snowpeak would have evolved white fur to better blend into the snow. White seems to be associated with ghosts, but I doubt these creatures are ethereal in nature.
Except they have weird glowing trails and disappear after they lunge at you.
Not saying they're definitely ghosts, but there's something unnatural about them.
It's been over a year since I've played the game, so I forgot about that. With that bit of info, I suppose they could be ghosts.
Quote from: JoeLink on June 16, 2009, 04:51:44 PM
I am now usually posting on a different fansite(where they are a little bit nicer to me and my beleifs).
Niceness isn't the same thing as Reality.
Seriously, GROW UP!
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HYRULE.
If you actually are 18 like your profile says, then you should go get yourself checked out.
Quote from: HackerHero92 on June 20, 2009, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: JoeLink on June 16, 2009, 04:51:44 PM
I am now usually posting on a different fansite(where they are a little bit nicer to me and my beleifs).
Niceness isn't the same thing as Reality.
Seriously, GROW UP!
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HYRULE.
If you actually are 18 like your profile says, then you should go get yourself checked out.
Whoa now. Watch it. There's no need to bandy that kind of 'tude around. People latch onto beliefs, even silly ones. It's human nature... look at religion. You can point out flaws as much as you like here in the Theories board, that's what it's for after all-- but don't for a second think that you can attack someone's sanity without retribution.
Quote from: Boxxy on June 21, 2009, 12:20:12 AM
Quote from: HackerHero92 on June 20, 2009, 07:43:31 PM
Quote from: JoeLink on June 16, 2009, 04:51:44 PM
I am now usually posting on a different fansite(where they are a little bit nicer to me and my beleifs).
Niceness isn't the same thing as Reality.
Seriously, GROW UP!
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS HYRULE.
If you actually are 18 like your profile says, then you should go get yourself checked out.
Whoa now. Watch it. There's no need to bandy that kind of 'tude around. People latch onto beliefs, even silly ones. It's human nature... look at religion. You can point out flaws as much as you like here in the Theories board, that's what it's for after all-- but don't for a second think that you can attack someone's sanity without retribution.
I really don't care what happens to me as long as he realizes he's being ridiculous.
And he thinks we're being mean just because we're telling him something reasonable. I didn't want to be mean but I guess that's what it'll take.
Please JoeLink, see reason.