Okay, I've looked around for quite some time. And I cant find anything. ANYTHING. Google sucks, it brings stuff up thats not relative to my search...anyway...
Im calling on you guys to help me find any article you can on a TRIPLE MURDER SUICIDE case in ORLANDO FLORIDA. Search the dates as somewhere between 1920-1950.
Please, Im in dire need of this information. I'll keep looking, but any assistance you guys can give would be lovely. Who knows, maybe I'll even throw in an internet cookie.
I'll look around, I'll tell you if I think I found it. :3
Thaaaaaank you so much!
May I ask why you need it?
At this point ive been called crazy and irrational so many times, that Ill just come right out and say it.
I believe there are spirits inhabiting my home. A young woman, two children, and a man. The man always gives off an angry vibe, like hes pissed at you for knowing hes there. Sometimes it feels like hes threatening me. The woman is always sad. She wears a night gown, old fashion like. She just watches me. The children are less active. Its like theyre oblivious to their death. They give off a happier and more playful vibe.
The woman and children are scared of the man. Everytime he comes around, they leave. Sometimes I wonder if they want to say something. So I was looking for a triple murder suicide. I thought that maybe the man killed the woman and children and then himself.
Then I realized that I was wrong. Theres no need to carry on the search. They all seem to come from different time periods.
My mom is making me go to a phychiatrist in fear that I have schizophrenia.
Quote from: Takun on July 10, 2009, 10:49:38 PM
At this point ive been called crazy and irrational so many times, that Ill just come right out and say it.
I believe there are spirits inhabiting my home. A young woman, two children, and a man. The man always gives off an angry vibe, like hes pissed at you for knowing hes there. Sometimes it feels like hes threatening me. The woman is always sad. She wears a night gown, old fashion like. She just watches me. The children are less active. Its like theyre oblivious to their death. They give off a happier and more playful vibe.
The woman and children are scared of the man. Everytime he comes around, they leave. Sometimes I wonder if they want to say something. So I was looking for a triple murder suicide. I thought that maybe the man killed the woman and children and then himself.
Then I realized that I was wrong. Theres no need to carry on the search. They all seem to come from different time periods.
My mom is making me go to a phychiatrist in fear that I have schizophrenia.
http://the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/
Sorry to hear you're being harassed for your perception, that's not right. Ask TAPS for help, they do a lot of work in my area and are fairly well-known around here for their scientific and skeptical approach. (even before their show on Sci-Fi, Ghost Hunters)
You aren't alone, and I doubt you're crazy.
Before you know it, you'll be popping Risperdal daily and be extremely lethargic at all hours.
In all seriousness, I wouldn't want the hallucinations to go away.
It's definitely kind of alarming. I mean, schizophrenia is definitely a possibility. Hm.
Is this the first time something like this has happened?
Probably not. Remember that time he saw Death?
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on July 10, 2009, 11:05:39 PM
Probably not. Remember that time he saw Death?
Ah, that was Takun? Yes, well, still. Give TAPS a call. If you're going to be stuck with antipsychotics, at least make sure there's good reason.
Quote from: Kevin on July 10, 2009, 11:28:24 PM
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on July 10, 2009, 11:05:39 PM
Probably not. Remember that time he saw Death?
Ah, that was Takun? Yes, well, still. Give TAPS a call. If you're going to be stuck with antipsychotics, at least make sure there's good reason.
I thought that was someone else?
I suggest you go to a pastor, Takun. If you've watched A Haunting like I have, then you'll know that that is a commonly-used means of solving paranormal problems.
Quote from: MagmarFire on July 11, 2009, 03:58:50 PM
I suggest you go to a pastor, Takun. If you've watched A Haunting like I have, then you'll know that that is a commonly-used means of solving paranormal problems.
I'd rather not go to a pastor if I were you. They know almost nothing about psychiatric issues.
I'd say go to a pastor and an exorcist.
EDIT: The man could very well be planning something bad, orrr he could be like a poltergeist or something... *doesn't know what I'm saying*
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on July 11, 2009, 04:05:58 PM
I'd rather not go to a pastor if I were you. They know almost nothing about psychiatric issues.
You incorrectly assume that I assume that it is a psychiatric issue. No, I believe that it's very possible that it's, rather, a paranormal issue.
What do you think they call Paranormal researchers?
Parapsychologists!
But then again, it isn't really a reliable field, filled to the brink with quacks.
Besides, the pastor might think you're possessed by satan if you go up to him complaining about spectral entities.
No, I think teh pastor would understand if he told him the whole story and what he knows about the spirits/ghosts/leftover energy/whatever you wanna call it.
I don't know about you, but whenever I tried talking to christians about spirits, they thought I was worshipping satan.
Then you've apparently gotten a pretty poor sampling, in my opinion. I think most Christians would understand.
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on July 11, 2009, 04:49:45 PM
What do you think they call Paranormal researchers?
Parapsychologists!
I'm quite sure that's for ESP-esque phenomena, not necessarily that for ghosts. But then again, it possibly could cover that, too...
I still think that if you went up to a pastor and said, "Pastor, can I talk to you about something? Please don't think I'm crazy, but I think I may have something haunting my house." And then explain everything to him.
And then ask him what to do and stuff. :P
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on July 11, 2009, 04:49:45 PM
What do you think they call Paranormal researchers?
Parapsychologists!
Parapsychologists are a different subset of paranormal researchers, who do indeed study the state of mind that people are in when they experience paranormal activity and the like. Paranormal behavior doesn't necessarily have to do solely with a person's mind, although a higher state of awareness can be influenced by things like EMF's.
Can you talk to them? I mean, do you see them? Do they look at you?
Are they flashes or constant images? I want to know.
Also, are there any sensations that are associated with their manifestation? Sudden drop in temperature, charged feeling on the skin, ears popping?
A sudden drop in temperature is especially such a telltale sign.
Seeing poltergiests has also been associated with having powerful ESP.
That means that you might be able to bend spoons and stuff.
Quote from: FunTykoon on July 11, 2009, 08:02:08 PM
Seeing poltergiests has also been associated with having powerful ESP.
That means that you might be able to bend spoons and stuff.
I wouldn't go that far just yet. Poltergeists are about .5% of ALL the hauntings in the world, a very, very small number.
Sorry, ghosts are just normal ghosts and poltergiests are ghost that screw crap up, right? I normal say all ghosts are poltergiests, because they are so similar.
Quote from: FunTykoon on July 11, 2009, 08:19:06 PM
Sorry, ghosts are just normal ghosts and poltergiests are ghost that screw crap up, right? I normal say all ghosts are poltergiests, because they are so similar.
There are two basic types of hauntings. Residual and intelligent. Residual hauntings are not even ghosts, they're more like broken records. What happens and what you experience happen whether anyone's there to experience them or not, even if there are walls in the way or the original location isn't even there anymore. Intelligent hauntings are the one most people associate with true "hauntings". They include interactive EVP's, movement of objects and other effects. Intelligent hauntings also cover a few of the less savory hauntings, including inhuman presences, poltergeists, and demonic presences.
Quote from: Kevin on July 11, 2009, 08:22:22 PM
Quote from: FunTykoon on July 11, 2009, 08:19:06 PM
Sorry, ghosts are just normal ghosts and poltergiests are ghost that screw crap up, right? I normal say all ghosts are poltergiests, because they are so similar.
There are two basic types of hauntings. Residual and intelligent. Residual hauntings are not even ghosts, they're more like broken records. What happens and what you experience happen whether anyone's there to experience them or not, even if there are walls in the way or the original location isn't even there anymore. Intelligent hauntings are the one most people associate with true "hauntings". They include interactive EVP's, movement of objects and other effects. Intelligent hauntings also cover a few of the less savory hauntings, including inhuman presences, poltergeists, and demonic presences.
What's that show where they hunt ghosts down?
That would be epic, a TDC ghost hunting crew. I can imagine you, like being the the guy who captures the ghost in a containment unit.
Don't cross the streams.
That's a movie called Ghostbusters.
Although they did make an animated series from it, didn't they?
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on July 11, 2009, 09:04:34 PM
That's a movie called Ghostbusters.
Although they did make an animated series from it, didn't they?
They did.
He, however, is probably referring to the show Ghost Hunters, or the show "the Othersiders", which is if 4kids did Ghost Hunters.
Ghost Hunters is legit. Othersiders is sensationalism at its worst.
Actually...poltergeists are not ghosts...poltergeists are caused by people un-knowingly giving off large ammounts of phychic energy in a single moment. Thus causing something to move. Usually caused by teens during puberty or while they are going through a lot of stress.
Sometimes I see them. Sometimes I just feel them watching me. Or following me around the house. They arnt orbs, or blurry images. They look just like we do, but they look transparent. Like you see em but you dont. And no, theres no change in temp. I just suddenly start to feel like Im being watched, or I'll suddenly get this vibe of emotion.
I've heard them on several occasions. And i've tried talking to them, and there's only been one instance in which they "replied".
Im not a religious person. I dont believe that religion decides weather or not a spirit stays or goes.
My aunt said that she used to see a woman in a nightgown when she was a little girl and lived in the same house I live in now. And when she went to a phycic the lady told her that the spirit is somehow tied to our family from the 1800s. As for the other three, I have no clue.
Quote from: Takun on July 11, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Actually...poltergeists are not ghosts...poltergeists are caused by people un-knowingly giving off large ammounts of phychic energy in a single moment. Thus causing something to move. Usually caused by teens during puberty or while they are going through a lot of stress.
That's a debatable theory :\
Paranormal activity is sounding slightly less likely, but I would recommend further investigation, just in case.
im probably just insane. im sure the medication will help.
No, I was talking about the show where they go to college and it's called Paranormal {something}.
Quote from: Takun on July 11, 2009, 09:44:38 PM
im probably just insane. im sure the medication will help.
(sorry for the double post)
No. You are not insane. Ghosts are a widely accepted fact. Your aunt saw this also, so calling yourself insane is going to far.
Quote from: FunTykoon on July 11, 2009, 09:46:38 PM
Ghosts are a widely accepted fact.
No offense but I don't think that is true. I'm not saying it's fact that ghosts don't exist I'm just saying "fact" is much too strong a term for it. There is no concrete evidence either way.
And Takun you're not insane :3 . There is a huge range of explanations for this sort of thing, whether it be psychological, scientific, paranormal or whatever. I'm sure it'll all work out fine.
Quote from: Takun on July 11, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Im not a religious person. I dont believe that religion decides weather or not a spirit stays or goes.
You mean be exorcism? If so, you
clearly haven't seen
A Haunting.
Quote from: Kevin on July 11, 2009, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: Takun on July 11, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Actually...poltergeists are not ghosts...poltergeists are caused by people un-knowingly giving off large ammounts of phychic energy in a single moment. Thus causing something to move. Usually caused by teens during puberty or while they are going through a lot of stress.
That's a debatable theory :\
More like a breach in the definition of
poltergeist:
Quote from: dictionary.compoltergeist: n
a ghost or spirit supposed to manifest its presence by noises, knockings, etc.
Quote from: AliCal on July 12, 2009, 09:53:21 AM
No offense but I don't think that is true. I'm not saying it's fact that ghosts don't exist I'm just saying "fact" is much too strong a term for it. There is no concrete evidence either way.
So...anectodal evidence doesn't count?
QuoteSo...anectodal evidence doesn't count?
?
Anecdotal evidence always gives an unreliable conclusion, no matter the veracity of the evidence. It can't be used alone to say something is fact.
Look, I'm just saying it isn't a FACT that ghosts exist, just as it isn't a FACT that they don't exist.
I don't mean to offend anybody's beliefs.
Oh, you're basing on it being scientifically inconclusive? I'll give you that, I guess.
Quote from: MagmarFire on July 12, 2009, 09:55:33 AM
Quote from: Takun on July 11, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Im not a religious person. I dont believe that religion decides weather or not a spirit stays or goes.
You mean be exorcism? If so, you clearly haven't seen A Haunting.
Quote from: Kevin on July 11, 2009, 09:36:39 PM
Quote from: Takun on July 11, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Actually...poltergeists are not ghosts...poltergeists are caused by people un-knowingly giving off large ammounts of phychic energy in a single moment. Thus causing something to move. Usually caused by teens during puberty or while they are going through a lot of stress.
That's a debatable theory :\
More like a breach in the definition of poltergeist:
Quote from: dictionary.compoltergeist: n
a ghost or spirit supposed to manifest its presence by noises, knockings, etc.
Quote from: AliCal on July 12, 2009, 09:53:21 AM
No offense but I don't think that is true. I'm not saying it's fact that ghosts don't exist I'm just saying "fact" is much too strong a term for it. There is no concrete evidence either way.
So...anectodal evidence doesn't count?
Most of the library research I've done has told me that poltergeists were not caused by spirits, because spiris do not have the ability to throw or move objects. I've read that they can make noise, but cant do anything like move objects.
I've seen A Haunting. Im skeptical about half of the episodes. And from what I have seen, there have been cases in which religion only made things worse, because the spirits realized you were attempting to remove them. Its just not in my beliefs.
Be that as it may, your description of poltergeists simply does not match the definition provided. Plus, to make sounds, something has to be manipulating a medium in a way that disturbs its atoms, such as energy being transferred to the air. For something like that to happen, you need to make contact with it in one way or another. In other words, creating a sound invariably means moving an object, even if it's slight movement.
In that case, too, if it's accepted that something like that can make noise, it's feasible to make a conclusion that energy variations coming from such an entity can range from the low setting (mere sound) to the high setting (more noticeable kinetic motion).
Quote from: Takun on July 13, 2009, 10:37:59 AM
I've seen A Haunting. Im skeptical about half of the episodes.
What about the other half, then?
I just want to point out how ridiculous it is that you're using A Haunting as a basis for what you should do in this case.
A haunting is fiction, leave it at that.
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on July 13, 2009, 01:29:05 PM
I just want to point out how ridiculous it is that you're using A Haunting as a basis for what you should do in this case.
A haunting is fiction, leave it at that.
I have to agree with you there. There are many more reliable sources out there :\
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on July 13, 2009, 01:29:05 PM
I just want to point out how ridiculous it is that you're using A Haunting as a basis for what you should do in this case.
A haunting is fiction, leave it at that.
It's funny how you say my argument is without basis when you yourself don't provide evidence to support your argument that mine's crap. You could try that, you know.
*MASSIVE FACEPALM*
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I'm just saying you're relying on something that is completely fiction. To trust the work of fiction in providing facts about something like the supernatural is a fallacy.
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/MagmarFire/fzero-falconfacepalm.jpg)
And let me tell you that you've done a fine job proving to me that what you say isn't fiction yourself. Why say you that it is, is what I meant in my previous post.
What about you? Can you prove that The Haunting was real? Can you prove that it is a reliable source of factual, objective scientific evidence for the existence of ghosts?
Can you prove that it isn't?
EDIT: Let me rephrase that. It may not be a source of scientific evidence, but come on. It's a set of reenactments on The Discovery Channel. However, since it's not necessarily agreed upon to be a scientific viewing doesn't mean it isn't factual. It's like saying that if, per chance, I told you guys my mother told a white lie and no one but I knew about it (it would be a horrible white lie, thus, but bear with me). Would there necessarily be scientific evidence for it? Not necessarily. Does that mean that what I would've told you guys wasn't factual?
Well, you decide. By the looks of it, it seems to be more of a matter of faith than anything else.
It was adapted from a work of fiction, a novel by Shirley Jackson. Therefore, The Haunting was Fictional.
I don't know about you, but I'm 90% sure that should be obvious reason for it not being scientific, proven, or factual.
Uh...no. You have the wrong title. I'm talking about A Haunting, the show on The Discovery Channel.
Dramatic reenactments of anecdotal accounts are a weak source for conclusive proof, I should think.
It certainly doesn't mean it's invalid. But hey, if you don't think it's valid, that's fine. Just be aware of those who do think it is.
Great guys, go turn a thread about someone's SERIOUS problem into a arguement between yourselves.
Takun, keep us updated.