So my friend made his own custom roster for the next Smash game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQKNfHia7kg&feature=channel
It's a four part video, so...yeah. But it's actually pretty interesting.
Anyhow, he's suggested quite a few new characters that seem like they'd be a good choice. Such as Tingle.
I'm still debating over whether Link transforming to Wolf Link would be a good idea though...I know it's a popular one, but I just don't want to screw with his formula when it's worked so well.
After all, if Link would need to transform using any of his specials, he'd have to sacrifice three signature moves that are really important to his metagame (when they're not nerfed nine ways from Monday, that is...).
His Spin Attack would most definitely stay because his recovery is bad enough as it is... SideB would be too troublesome, as that would sacrifice a good projectile of his. DownB would also be bad, since his bombs are really good for mindgames and can also help benefit recovery in admittedly-rare situations. But of course, when the situation presents itself, they can really help.
Having Wolf Link as a separate character would be more satisfactory, thus.
That's what I thought as well. I was also toying with the idea of suggesting Midna as her own character, with the ability to transform between her imp and human forms. Mostly because of a possibly really awesome final smash where she uses the Dark Relic thing to turn into that big blob of multi-armed death. I suppose she could do that with Wolf Link as well though.
I also question the effectiveness of Ridley in a battle game like Smash. I mean, I understand why people want him in there, but shouldn't he be flying around the whole time? It just seems like that would be more realistic, but it's not fair, so I dunno.
Yeah, I'm not comfortable with having Link transform into Wolf Link. As a separate character, however....I'm more in favor of a Deku Link/Goron Link/Zora Link transformation.
Ridley in Smash....Yeah, I'm against him as part of the roster as well, but only because he's large.
I'm putting together my own roster to publish on deviantART in essay form.
You know, I was kind of hoping he'd explain the movesets he made for the new characters, and the ones that he changed. He told me them, and the basics of each character, maybe I'll ask him to put up the new movesets. I think I remember Tingle's. Up B was the balloon, and I think the other ones were Tingle Bombs, Confetti...something else.
Toad was gonna be this fast and strong dude.
First, let me introduce myself. I am pizzadudemanguy. I have "created" a new Smash Bros. game through my words. I have spreadsheets and spreadsheets detailing every character, stage, mode, feature, moveset, adventure mode and plot to the finest tune of gameplay. I plan to put up YouTube videos explaining so.
On the note of Link, I only add Wolf Link as a new transformation rather than his own character entirely simply because there was not enough room and I wanted to incorporate a playable Wolf Link. My roster is subject to change I'm always willing to take suggestion, so if people like Link's moveset over having Wolf Link and Midna playable, I'm willing to do that. However, I will not replace Tingle as a PC.
On the note of Ridley, he IS the best choice for a second Metroid character. Size is no problem: Throughout the Mario series, Bowser is seen in all sorts of sizes. The original Kraid was only as tall as Samus. I detail that Ridley is only as big as Bowser, with his wingspan extending as large as is proportioned to the rest of his body as shown in the Metroid series. In terms of mobility, Ridley has been shown to station himself on the ground before attacking. Have you noticed that when Meta Knight runs in Brawl, he glides slightly above along the ground? I imagine Ridley doing this when moving.
As a moveset example, I will show Tingle's basic moveset and, if anyone's interested, I'll explain more on request:
B: Tingle Bomb-Tingle tosses out a Toon styled bomb. While he can not hold it and use it strategically like Link, it is more sudden and surprising.
B>: Tingle Fireworks-A new weapon from Tingle's Rupeeland. Think of it as a fast projectile version of Peach's Melee B> attack with more knockback in the form of a confetti explosion.
B^: Tingle Balloon-Tingle inflates a balloon and starts slowly drifting upwards. While the balloon is active, Tingle will slowly float upward, but will still have the ability to move and use any of his normal and other special moves as he floats. After a certain amount of time, the balloon will pop, by pressing B^ it will pop, or an opponent can pop it with a powerful enough move. Any of these will cause Tingle to fall.
Bv: Knockout Gas-Another new weapon from Rupeeland. It's a bottle of KO Gas that Tingle smashes against the ground. The gas spreads a very short range around Tingle. Opponents who touch the gas go unconscious for a few seconds.
Thank you.
The Tingle balloon, when it's popped, would Tingle fall straight down really quickly like on the Termina stage and Majora's Mask, or would you be able to control your fall somewhat?
It would be like the fall of any other character when their B^ has run out.
Well...Link is a steady character for a lot of people. It just seems like changing his formula may cause more problems than solutions. On the other hand, it would definitely help distinguish Link and Toon Link as seperate, non-cloned characters. However, having both Link and Wolf Link would create issues with a new storyline. Though I suppose, in the story mode, Link could be turned into a wolf and you play as Wolf Link, until a certain part where he's turned back into normal Link, then you can choose between the two of them when you start new stages...though that's also troublesome. Hmm.
I think a main reason Wolf Link was wanted, though, was due to the fact that Twilight Princess was the most recent, large console game. It had been quite a while since Wind Waker, which a lot of people had discarded as terrible simply because of the change in graphical style. For a lot of people, it was the first Zelda game they played, and there are still a large amount of more casual gamers who haven't touched the older games. Maybe OoT or one of the Gameboy games, but I think ALttP is a game that hasn't been played much by people who weren't around when it came out. On a side note, Bunny Link would be hilarious in a Smash game.
I liked the idea for Agahnim that you had in another one of your videos, actually. Another Zelda villain that is more focused on the magical aspect than the brute force/strength. In fact, pretty much every evil character in the Smash games has been the strong, slow type. It'd be nice to see a lighter, faster villain like Vaati or Agahnim. Dark Matter would have been fun as well.
Wait, what was I talking about before? Wolf Link, right. Umm, it just seems like it would upset too many Link fans if they had their character changed like that. Maybe Wolf Link as a seperate character, but I kind of find myself doubting the ability of a quadruped being able to fight effectively in a game like Smash. Mostly the issue of grabbing on to ledges, though I guess Midna could do that with her shadow hand. In fact, now that I think about it, integrating Midna into Wolf Link's moveset would fix a lot of my concerns, such as the Up+B. If she just shot her big red hand out, she could grab ledges from a fair distance probably.
Actually, that was my plan, to have Midna and Wolf Link together. Midna was very popular, even though she appeared in only one game, and on that note, Sheik is still playable in SSBB despite her lone appearance.
In my new adventure, characters who transform have something special: You can transform, of course, in the middle of a level, but what form you are in will affect the following cut-scene, both visually and by what happens.
As a reminder, we already have Ivysaur as a playable quadruped.
Also, I do have Dark Matter (from Kirby) as a playable character. He is a light-weight entity of evil with a sword.
In my new moveset for Ganondorf, Ganondorf uses magic rather than brute force for his special moves.
Quote from: Shika on July 11, 2009, 02:07:08 PM
Wait, what was I talking about before? Wolf Link, right. Umm, it just seems like it would upset too many Link fans if they had their character changed like that. Maybe Wolf Link as a seperate character, but I kind of find myself doubting the ability of a quadruped being able to fight effectively in a game like Smash. Mostly the issue of grabbing on to ledges, though I guess Midna could do that with her shadow hand. In fact, now that I think about it, integrating Midna into Wolf Link's moveset would fix a lot of my concerns, such as the Up+B. If she just shot her big red hand out, she could grab ledges from a fair distance probably.
There is the problem, though, of tether recoveries being considered a pretty bad form of recovery if it's the only recovery a character has. For instance, it is true that a character could, say, be stage spiked from a tether, such as from Ivysaur's, but if Zair edgehogging is still a technique in the original game, it would nullify its effectiveness if you're against a character with a godly Zair like Link's.
In this particular case, I was planning on having Midna and Wolf Link having a tether recovery grab with the throw button, but their B^ would be the Wolf Spin Attack.
I like that idea, actually. It kind of makes me laugh thinking about Wolf Link spinning in the air like a helicopter. XD
Smash Bros. need more spear and axe users, as well as Lyn (zomg i love her blade lord sprite). The way I figure it, Ephraim and Titania could be the representative spear and axe wielders.
I'd also love to see Nabooru enter the fray dual wielding a pair of scimitars.
Yes but titania is a paladin, it'd be somewhat broken to give ehr a horse, and wrong to take her off of it, if anyone should have been the axe user in brawl it should be boyd
I'd actually like to see a bow user in brawl, maybe rolf?
Well, Link and Toon Link uses a bow, and Lyn should be able to as her Blade Lord class gains the use of a bow.
Or do you mean someone who solely uses a bow as a weapon? I'm not sure that would work out too well.
And Titania was the only axe user from FE 9/10 I could think of. And I see no reason why she can't fight off of her horse; after all, Fox, Falco, and Captain Falcon don't fight in their vehicles (with the exception of their Final Smash).
Speaking of Captain Falcon, I'd wish they'd take him out; I'm always getting his and Falco's name confused.
No, that's not my only reason for taking Captain Falcon out; I also don't like his cocky attitude.
Gasp, HnS! You don't want a Falcon Punch to the face, do you? :o
Boyd would be a good axe wielder. He could be another strong, yet slow, type, but we already have Ike for that. Come to think of it, we could use more magic users (even though Zelda's Usmash in Brawl+ kind of limits my desires for another one...).
I nominate Micaiah. Someone from Smashboards asked Pat Cashman to do some more announcer voices, and he did hers as one of the package.
I'd actually like to see some lesser known characters get thrown in, like Lute and Artur.
Quote from: Shika on July 11, 2009, 02:07:08 PM
I liked the idea for Agahnim that you had in another one of your videos, actually. Another Zelda villain that is more focused on the magical aspect than the brute force/strength. In fact, pretty much every evil character in the Smash games has been the strong, slow type. It'd be nice to see a lighter, faster villain like Vaati or Agahnim. Dark Matter would have been fun as well.
That's why I always wanted Skull Kid to join the Brawl, he would be this wacky and somewhat powerful character. In few words, I think he would be a heavier Mewtwo with quicker A play.
well HNS, in star fox assault, you see them (at least fox and falco) fight outside of vehicles, Titania's a paladin, a mounted unit, to take her off her mount would be changing her to a warrior, this isn't shadow dragon lol.
Actually i think boyd would be a medium character, seeing as warriors are still somewhat fast, now if you want a true slow character, bring out the black knight.
And i actually would really like to see sothe in brawl
We need more females in the Smash series, though.
Fire Emblem is Nintendo's signature RTS game. Because of the nature of RTS, there are MANY, good characters that would be really great to add into a new smash game. My only problem is that there are WAY, TOO MANY to add all the really good ones. If I were to add another Fire Emblem character, my top 3 choices would be Micaiah, Lyn, and then Sothe. But, in my roster, I actually did not add any new FE characters...maybe I'm just waiting to see what the series comes out with next? I dunno...
However, adding Micaiah or Lyn would also be good to the "female count" of the smash series...
Yes, lyn would be good, but as a sword user, she wouldn't be added due to ike and marth, Micaiah would be the best choice for a female character
Hey, ya'll know what fighting game series has a lot of ladies?
(Not Dead or Alive)
...
King of Fighters!
/shameless plug for obscure fighting game.
Yes, we are rather lacking in female characters, aren't we...?
That's another reason why the Pokemon Coordinator would be awesome.
I always thought jesse would be a good character, she'd use arbok grimer and koffing
As far as full female representatives go, I guess I only added Krystal and a transformation into Midna...
However, I also made a female pokemon trainer an alternate costume for the pokemon trainer. Some alternate costumes i added, such as this, will change the voice of the character.
Do you mean krystal from star fox? we don't need any more star fox characters, in fact one should be removed *coughfalcocough*
Quote from: Rev Rabies on July 13, 2009, 08:57:11 AM
Do you mean krystal from star fox? we don't need any more star fox characters, in fact one should be removed *coughfalcocough*
*cougQFTcough*
Although I'm more for Wolf myself. Falco has more differences now that it only makes him a bit of a semi-clone more than anything else.
Yes, Krystal from Star Fox. I chose her because she's another female, she has a unique style to the series (staff), and it...completes the Star Fox set (Hero, Damsel, Sidekick, Villain) to use that basic formula.
Also, I REALLY changed some of the special moves for Fox, Falco, and Wolf so that they're all COMLPETELY different characters.
AND I MADE THEM HAVE DIFFERENT FINAL SMASHES!
Uh, just so you know, whenever you want to add to a recent post, use the Modify button at the top. Double posting isn't allowed in General Discussion, I'm afraid.
However, having different Final Smashes is worthy of praise.
whoops, sorry bout that
I made a change to my roster, and I also need some input...
I added Micaiah as a playable character. That was bugging me for a while, so now I've done it by replacing Mach Rider, which is fine.
I can't decide between Duster and Claus as a playable character! I initially had Duster, but now I'm thinking Claus would be a better choice. Any ideas?
Also, should I keep Mach Rider? I posted a video of this stuff on YouTube, and people so far seem to prefer Mach Rider over Micaiah!
Oh, hey, look at that, I can post again. Yay KP!
Quote from: Rev Rabies on July 13, 2009, 08:57:11 AM
Do you mean krystal from star fox? we don't need any more star fox characters, in fact one should be removed *coughfalcocough*
Actually, I'm all for Captain Falcon being removed. I just don't like him.
Go with Micaiah. I still haven't played FE 9 and 10, but Micaiah is the only choice you're offering....
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on August 07, 2009, 08:12:51 PM
Actually, I'm all for Captain Falcon being removed. I just don't like him.
Dude, you can't removea regular like that, also, the falcon punch is a cultural staple, you can't just throw it away.
They removed Mewtwo.
As a more solid argument, they replaced Mario Tornado. I can remove Captain Falcon from my roster if I want to.
Besides, Refia is so much cooler than Captain Falcon.
Sorry...who's Refia?
Also, do you have another idea for a third Fire Emblem character other than Micaiah?
Refia was one of four main characters in the DS release of Final Fantasy III.
As for FE characters....Oh gods, I have tons. Like, nearly every single character from The Sacred Stones for starters. But if you're going to force me to choose, then either Lyn, Amelia, Marisa, Selena, or Ismaire.
It really is hard to limit the number of fire emblem characters in the roster...there ARE so many good ones...but I try to keep it down to three at the most. I chose Micaiah because she was the main character of the most recent game and she would have a unique fighting style, but I really like the idea of Lyn as a character...
Oddly (to me any ways), people on my YouTube seem to like the idea of having Mach Rider over a third Fire Emblem character...
And right now, it looks like Masked Man is more favorable than Duster...and that's a tough one. I feel like I can't have both of them, but I really like them both.
No...I simply must choose one Fire Emblem character and one Mother character.
This is exactly why
Brawl+'s development is awesome, since we're getting to a point where we can add custom characters! In fact, one of the characters being somewhat considered is Micaiah, if mostly for the fact that one of the people who plays
Brawl+ asked Pat Cashman, the
Brawl announcer, to do some character calls. Her call was one of the ones he did, among...eight others, I think.
But of course, pizzadudemanguy, Micaiah's one of the characters I really want added. You have a good one!
Mia would be awesome, too, though... T.T
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on August 07, 2009, 08:54:01 PM
As a more solid argument, they replaced Mario Tornado. I can remove Captain Falcon from my roster if I want to.
Actually, they replaced Mario's Dair with the Mario Tornado. *is shot*
For now, my roster will feature both Micaiah and the Masked Man. I have movesets for both, as well as for Mach Rider and Duster just in case.
I totally agree that Ganondorf should be able to use his sword. It would be so much better if he wasn't just a souped up version of Captain Falcon.
Definately. I gave Ganondorf a full Sword based moveset with some magic based special moves thrown in.
Quote from: Darth Wyndisis on August 08, 2009, 09:57:08 AM
I totally agree that Ganondorf should be able to use his sword. It would be so much better if he wasn't just a souped up version of Captain Falcon.
Funny that you should say that, since there is a code out there that gives Ganondorf his sword if he does his sword taunt. I think it's more or less a texture hack for the Beam Sword, though...
But for lulz, here's how ridiculous it is for him to not have a sword-based moveset:
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n71/MagmarFire/GannySword.png)
He also gave Zelda her sword, if I remember correctly, though it's more an extension of her moves than a new moveset.
...
How many swords are there in Smash now? I'm getting at least seven or eight. Then two hammers...man we need some lances or axes.
Yeah, I gave Zelda her sword too. It doesn't change her moveset; it just makes her moves faster and longer-ranged, save for kicks.
Quote from: MagmarFire on August 08, 2009, 09:19:22 AM
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on August 07, 2009, 08:54:01 PM
As a more solid argument, they replaced Mario Tornado. I can remove Captain Falcon from my roster if I want to.
Actually, they replaced Mario's Dair with the Mario Tornado. *is shot*
Yeah, I know. I just somehow failed to mention that. >>
Quote from: Shika on August 08, 2009, 10:21:48 AM
How many swords are there in Smash now? I'm getting at least seven or eight. Then two hammers...man we need some lances or axes.
Which is totally why Amelia should be in the roster. She uses lances and she's cute. What better reasons are there to include her?!
As for axes, I still insist on Titania despite never having played FE 9 or 10 simply because Titania reminds me so much of my own character, Rose Hillmound. At least in looks; it's like she's an older version of Rose, but with red hair.
There you go, Blank. I still need the picture of Titania you modified for me.
It'd be interesting to have someone in the game who isn't a fighter, but a healer. Like, their attacks are very weak, but they can...well, heal.
I've always thought that'd be a cool idea, but the rules for healing would have to be set...I mean, like every time you hit, you heal a little, or a special move that heals you after accomplishing something, like a set amount of damage dealt to opponents.
The only reason it couldn't just be a normal special move being All-Star mode rest areas...UNLESS you just made a specific exception that you can not heal during these times.
Also, Shika, I took your advice on Micaiah's moveset and altered her Down B.
I wish I could remember what the advice was.
Maybe for healing...hmm...maybe it could be one of her taunts that would be disabled during the in between stages? Could be taunt, could be...maybe something like how Fox talks with ships and Snake uses the Codec. Those only work on certain stages, you could set the healing to only work on stages.
The advice was "don't make her down b counter!"
Actually, let me go ahead and post my moveset for Micaiah, because it still needs help. I do all the research I can, but I've never played Radiant Dawn.
B: Shine-Targets an nearby opponent and implodes light upon them after a very brief charge. Very difficult to avoid, but a tad weak.
B>: Nosferatu-Micaiah fires from her hands forward a short ranged, slow beam of light. It can only hit one person, and if it does, the damage dealt to the opponent heals Micaiah, like an HP drain.
B^: Thani-Micaiah shoots upward in a beam of light. In contrast to her other moves, GREAT knockback.
Bv: Corona-In a radius around Micaiah, light rises from the ground. Opponents touched by the light are unable to defend for a short while.
Final Smash-Rexaura-Well...it's Rexaura. A giant ball of light crashes into the ground and explodes for massive damage.
She should have a third recovery move, though, unless Thani covers it. If it doesn't, I suggest making that her Usmash instead.
Quote from: pizzadudemanguy on August 09, 2009, 06:53:23 PM
Final Smash-Rexaura-Well...it's Rexaura. A giant ball of light crashes into the ground and explodes for massive damage.
RIIIIIIIIDGE RAAAAAAACERRRRR!!!!
Um, yeah, I'm not too crazy about having a healer as a playable character. I can already see noobs avoiding everyone and constantly healing themselves.
And I'm not sure, but can Micaiah use Dark and Light magic? I thought I read somewhere that she uses Anima. :-\
^ And you can bet that stages that make it much easier for characters to camp are banned to help prevent it. Bridge of Eldin is an example. Besides, you'd think that campers would be annoying to the point of being double- or triple-teamed by the others just to have the nuisance removed. :P
The move would have reasonable disadvantages, of course, possibly to the point of making the move useless or highly situational at best to prevent it from being game-breaking.
In my honest opinion, having characters that can heal themselves would be just too much of a waste (in terms of a move slot) and kind of nonsensical given the whole fighting and action thing. Wouldn't serve much of a tactical advantage.
Nosferatu is dark magic...I'm not sure whether Micaiah is Anima or Light, but I know she isn't Dark.
I'll let you play Fire Emblem while we're on the plane to England so you can get a feel for the characters and such.
Thani would cover as an Up B. For the sake of recovery, she would shoot that ball of light downward like when she uses Thani in Radiant Dawn that causes an upward shooting beam of light as such as is in the animation of the "Thani" attack, which rockets her upward in a beam of light.
As for Nosferatu, I think...it would be balanced enough to be useable without being cheap. Also, Nosferatu is light magic in Radiant Dawn. The theme of "Nosferatu" is that in every Fire Emblem game, it switches between light and dark magic.
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 09, 2009, 10:51:47 PM
In my honest opinion, having characters that can heal themselves would be just too much of a waste (in terms of a move slot) and kind of nonsensical given the whole fighting and action thing. Wouldn't serve much of a tactical advantage.
There are plenty of moves that are just there to take up move slots or are highly situational, or they even have defining properties that are highly situational. It's a part of balancing the game.
Case(s) in point, (if I recall correctly) Marth's Bthrow is considered worthless compared to most of his other throws, particularly his Dthrow.
Lucario's DownB is also considered nigh-on useless, at least in 1v1s, since it has so much start-up lag (and causes no hitlag, unlike with Marth's and Ike's Counter) that your opponent has plenty of time to shield it or sidestep it and punish his cooldown lag.
Jigglypuff has a bunch of these, I believe. Jigglypuff's Sing is considered highly situational at best, and I usually only see it used while people are planking the ledge. Plus, it excels at aerial combat, whereas you'd be hardpressed to find someone decent who prefers a ground approach over simply attempting to gimp his/her opponent.
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on August 09, 2009, 06:21:08 AM
Quote from: MagmarFire on August 08, 2009, 09:19:22 AM
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on August 07, 2009, 08:54:01 PM
As a more solid argument, they replaced Mario Tornado. I can remove Captain Falcon from my roster if I want to.
Actually, they replaced Mario's Dair with the Mario Tornado. *is shot*
Yeah, I know. I just somehow failed to mention that. >>
Quote from: Shika on August 08, 2009, 10:21:48 AM
How many swords are there in Smash now? I'm getting at least seven or eight. Then two hammers...man we need some lances or axes.
Which is totally why Amelia should be in the roster. She uses lances and she's cute. What better reasons are there to include her?!
As for axes, I still insist on Titania despite never having played FE 9 or 10 simply because Titania reminds me so much of my own character, Rose Hillmound. At least in looks; it's like she's an older version of Rose, but with red hair.
There you go, Blank. I still need the picture of Titania you modified for me.
Well, i know i'm late here, but they'd probably use a more popular character from fe then her, probably ephraim, and for axes titania would be a horrible idea, because having her on her horse would be far too broken, and taking her off would take away from who she is, boyd is a much better choice
personally, i'd love to see mcaihah in the next smash game, maybe even sothe
Didn't they take Fox out of his Arwing in the original Smash Bros? I know they definitely took Captain Falcon out of his....whatever his vehicle is called. *has only played an F-Zero game once back in middle school, and it was a rental*
Smash already has plenty of popular characters in it. It would be refreshing to see characters who don't get a lot of attention outside of their respective games' fandom included.
yes but there are star fox games where the characters fight outside their arwings, and falcon fights outside his car in the tv show based off of f-zero. Titania's a paladin, not a warrior.
characters that aren't well known won't grab fans as well, it's sad but it's true, because above anyone i want canas from the first english fire emblem to be in the next game, only great unit you get that can use dark magic
Quote from: Rev Rabies on August 11, 2009, 08:27:54 AM
yes but there are star fox games where the characters fight outside their arwings, and falcon fights outside his car in the tv show based off of f-zero. Titania's a paladin, not a warrior.
characters that aren't well known won't grab fans as well, it's sad but it's true, because above anyone i want canas from the first english fire emblem to be in the next game, only great unit you get that can use dark magic
Bah, quit being so narrow minded. When the first Smash game was released (and the second one too...) StarFox Adventures had yet to be conceived.
proof?
plus, taking a fox out of a ship is a bit different then taking a PALADIN (a mounted soldier) of their horse
Star Fox Adventures:
September 23, 2002
Super Smash Bros:
April 27, 1999
/pointless argument
no, he said it wasn't even concieved, that's what i want him to prove
StarFox Adventures was originally conceived as "Dinosaur Planet", without any StarFox characters.
StarFox characters were only added fairly late into the game's development.
This is all pretty well known, but I guess a guy like you can ignore whatever and listen to only what you want to believe.
I was quite upset about the change actually. The original protagonists from Dinosaur Planet looked so much cooler then Fox. :(
It's also my understanding that while most characters' movesets were derived from the game they came from, Fox and Falcon's movesets were made almost completely from scratch.
Quote from: Colonel Roy Mustang on August 11, 2009, 09:21:01 PM
I was quite upset about the change actually. The original protagonists from Dinosaur Planet looked so much cooler then Fox. :(
But Krystal is hot.
You are not allowed to deny this, any of you.
Quote from: Gamefreak on August 12, 2009, 06:37:51 AM
It's also my understanding that while most characters' movesets were derived from the game they came from, Fox and Falcon's movesets were made almost completely from scratch.
Hmm, it's almost as though they've never been outside their ships in a game before then...
Quote from: Kevin on August 12, 2009, 06:40:55 AM
But Krystal is hot.
You are not allowed to deny this, any of you.
But I like my anthros to be a bit more human.
Quote from: Gamefreak on August 12, 2009, 06:37:51 AM
It's also my understanding that while most characters' movesets were derived from the game they came from, Fox and Falcon's movesets were made almost completely from scratch.
Thanks for pointing that out. I forgot that Marth, Roy, and Ike's moveset had to be created largely from scratch; there aren't too many abilities in the FE games. So, really, without her horse, Titania would be on the same level as Boyd, so the fact that she's a Paladin shouldn't matter that much. After all, it's not like her horse is super glued to her butt; why can't she dismount? (http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg14/FeetLord/FE__She__s_a_Maniac_by_KumiKoalaSta.jpg)
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 11, 2009, 09:19:10 PM
StarFox Adventures was originally conceived as "Dinosaur Planet", without any StarFox characters.
StarFox characters were only added fairly late into the game's development.
This is all pretty well known, but I guess a guy like you can ignore whatever and listen to only what you want to believe.
yes but the game itself could have been thought of before mah came out yes? regardless of who was in it.
And HNS, i'm not saying i wouldnt love to see her in it, but they'd have to keep her on the horse because it's part of her character, paladins don't fight on their feet.
Quote from: Rev Rabies on August 12, 2009, 07:54:48 AM
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 11, 2009, 09:19:10 PM
StarFox Adventures was originally conceived as "Dinosaur Planet", without any StarFox characters.
StarFox characters were only added fairly late into the game's development.
This is all pretty well known, but I guess a guy like you can ignore whatever and listen to only what you want to believe.
yes but the game itself could have been thought of before mah came out yes? regardless of who was in it.
That was so totally not your point.
Quote from: Rev Rabies on August 12, 2009, 07:54:48 AM
And HNS, i'm not saying i wouldnt love to see her in it, but they'd have to keep her on the horse because it's part of her character, paladins don't fight on their feet.
*headdeskheaddeskheaddesk*
Asides from you, Rabies, who's saying they do? Realistically, FE Paladins shouldn't be fighting on their horses inside buildings, and Archers shouldn't be able to shoot through walls. But you know what? In the game they can and do. There is nothing wrong with taking Titania off of her horse to fight in other games.
Quote from: Rev Rabies on August 12, 2009, 07:54:48 AM
Quote from: JQ Pickwick on August 11, 2009, 09:19:10 PM
StarFox Adventures was originally conceived as "Dinosaur Planet", without any StarFox characters.
StarFox characters were only added fairly late into the game's development.
This is all pretty well known, but I guess a guy like you can ignore whatever and listen to only what you want to believe.
yes but the game itself could have been thought of before mah came out yes? regardless of who was in it.
And HNS, i'm not saying i wouldnt love to see her in it, but they'd have to keep her on the horse because it's part of her character, paladins don't fight on their feet.
Ever played any other SRPG other than Fire Emblem lately? Paladins most certainly aren't always mounted warriors, in fact they're often on their feet.
Hell, throughout the Final Fantasy series, we have loads of paladins, all of which don't ride on mounts.
The only one I know of is Cecil Harvey from FFIV. But I see your point.
I hope, if they put Ganondorf in again, I hope to GOD they give him his well deserved sword. You can't put a Dark Lord without a sword in a fighting game, especially in a re-enactment of the final battle, if the Protaganist has a sword of his own!
I find it insulting to Ganondorf if he is not given a sword as his main tool to fight with!
IDEA: They could give him his usual moveset with his fist of darkness, but enter a certain button combination, and he pulls out a sword, and uses that!
Quotecharacters that aren't well known won't grab fans as well, it's sad but it's true, because above anyone i want canas from the first english fire emblem to be in the next game, only great unit you get that can use dark magic
Aren't there already enough popular Fire Emblem characters though? I mean, Marth and Ike will get the hardcore series fans and the hardcore American Gamecube fans. Whether or not the next Fire Emblem character is important shouldn't make that much of a difference in how many people play the game. If a character who was more of a cult character was put in though, it could get fans who don't really like the main characters.
I was thinking, and I know it is a crazy idea since she is not a Nintendo character, but what about Faith from Mirror's Edge, she is a fast but somewhat weak charachter, but I think she would make a good fighter.
vB- Disarm: a special kind of counter that steals the item of the enemy if it connects, it looks like a supplex move
B> Noname: it works like Diddy Kong's move where he jumps on peoples faces, but Faith jumps on their back, after that, she can control their movement for a while and also do damage
B-Dunno, a charge attack?
^B- Knee attack: much like CP's knee, but this goes upward
Final Smash- Reaction Time: everything slows down for Faith
What do you think? Or are you still going through each FE character?
Hmm...was she ever on a Nintendo Console? That's pretty much the major requirement for being in the game. If we're going by third-party characters, though...heh, the Prince from Prince of Persia would be cool.
Well, if that is what we're doing, I would have to say Galen Marek from the Force Unleashed would make a welcome appearance.
B- Saber Throw; In mid air, it will be Force lightning, capable of stunning opponents, as if their sheilds were busted
<- -> B- Force push (Charge up to unleash a powerful KO-worthy blast)
^ B- Force dash\ can knock opponents up or sideways, depending on the angle of impact, and can also recover
v B- Force Maelstrom\ Will blast everyone in a radius back a good distance, the higher the damage, the better the fly
Smash up- Force blast
Smash down- A blast of Force lightning zaps everyone in a radius
Smash side- A blast of force lightning
Grab- Use the force to grab from a short distance, like Mewtwo in the good old days, and the up-throw is an instant knock-out at 70% damage or higher
Pretty sure The Force Unleashed came out on the Wii.
Hmmm, third-party character....Cecilia Adlehyde, from Wild Arms/Wild Arms Alter Code: F. Partly because I'd love to see her victory dance updated. Rudy Roughnight and Jack Van Burace, both from the same game, would be good choices too.
I might only be recommending this because I'm on a Dissidia high right now, but a Nintendo era Final Fantasy character might be fun for Smash Bros.
I believe I have already suggested it here, but if I didn't, Refia and Luneth from FF III. Or do you mean back in the days of the NES and SNES? Because then I have Palom and Porom. I'd really love Rydia in it, but I put Alys, from FFTA2, in my roster, and she's already a summoner.
We could have Kefka. That'd be a lot of fun.
Or maybe even...GILGAMESH!
KEFKA ALL THE WAY, BABY! (My favorite of all villains. Eat your heart out, Sephy.)
That would be awesome. I would play that guy all the time. You have my full respect.
But I also think that Terra or Cyan would be cool, too. And along side them, Sabin or Shadow.
Like I said, I'm on a big Dissidia high right now, so any character 1-6 would be fine with me.
So wait wait.... there is a new game or are we just discussing what we want it to be like?
I'm not sure, let me READ THE TOPIC and find out.
ROTFL
Wow, that contained maximum win. Sorry, Legion! But, you gotta admit, that was epic.
Anyway.......................
Quote from: Hi no Seijin on August 30, 2009, 10:47:17 PM
Pretty sure The Force Unleashed came out on the Wii.
Yes, I know. I have it. Lots and lots of fun, it is. So much, it shouldn't be legal! I just wish there was a level selection.
But now that you think about it, maybe an epic win would be the spoony bard. And that should be his name, too!
Announcer: Kefka! Link! Starkiller! Spooooony Baaard!
Quote from: Shika on September 01, 2009, 07:14:30 PM
I'm not sure, let me READ THE TOPIC and find out.
lulz
Quote from: 2nd Lieutenant Jean Havoc on September 01, 2009, 07:42:24 PM
But now that you think about it, maybe an epic win would be the spoony bard. And that should be his name, too!
Gilbert, named Edward in the U.S. releases?
Ewwwwwwwww!Sure, the spoony bard has his strengths, but I favored Rosa, Rydia, Yang, and Edge for my final team.
What? You don't like Cecil? I like Cecil! But I would to see Kain in there as well.
Gogo and Setzer from Final Fantasy VI!
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I'll shut up now...
Hehe, my name of mime came about from interest in gogo.
Ah, that's where that came from. Yeah, he/she is a good fighter there, too.
Quote from: 2nd Lieutenant Jean Havoc on September 02, 2009, 07:26:51 PM
What? You don't like Cecil? I like Cecil! But I would to see Kain in there as well.
I do like Cecil; I just didn't mention him because he has to be on your team.
Kain, on the other hand, I'm not too fond of; it's not that he's a bad character, it's that he was always leaving and rejoining your party, like the developers couldn't make up their mind, and it was rather irksome. However, in Smash....Seeing a dragoon in there would be nice.
Indeed. You can't have too many fighters, either. A Dragoon would be most welcome.
OK, I'll say it, Sora, although the only bare excuse tu put him in would be CoM. Given that reasoning, they could also include Axel or Roxas (at least as a texture).
^ Just about anyone from Organization XIII, for that matter. Not that I'd complain. Xion would be most pwnsome, even though she'd probably be a clone.
We need even more characters. Lets include the entire cast of protaganists and antaganists from every game that appeared on a Nintendo Console. *A posted list would be most appreciated.*
I can just imagine the character imbalance. :P
Good gods, what sort of memory would we need to hold all of that?
Oh, I'm sure they'd be able to hold it somehow in the future. Memory's becoming more and more dense every year.
Man, the stages that would come along with that...
"Hey, I unlocked Mike Jones! ...Wait, who's that? Some guy from an NES game called 'StarTropics'. ...Um, what's his stage? 'Zoda's Mothership'? ...Who put THIS guy here?"
Quote from: pizzadudemanguy on September 21, 2009, 01:39:28 PM
"Hey, I unlocked Mike Jones! ...Wait, who's that? Some guy from an NES game called 'StarTropics'. ...Um, what's his stage? 'Zoda's Mothership'? ...Who put THIS guy here?"
Don't you be dissin' star tropics, boy. Star tropics is win!
Well, merely using it as an example isn't necessarily dissing it.
I wasn't being serious boy :P
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Oops. :P
Quote from: 2nd Lieutenant Jean Havoc on September 02, 2009, 07:51:01 PM
Indeed. You can't have too many fighters, either. A Dragoon would be most welcome.
A Dark Knight would be cool. For some reason, I like that class in
Chocobo's Dungeon...
I dunno...that sounds a little too generic. The Ice Climbers are fine since they actually have names, but what if we had like "the Balloon Fighter!" or the "Excite-biker!" or some other characters like that? It's like, "the winner of this battle is an unknown entity of this particular class and/or race!"
"Ha ha! I'm nameless and I defeated Mario! Bow before my lack of a title!"
What about the Onion Knight from Final Fantasy III? He takes on the likes of Kefka, Cloud, and Sephiroth in Dissidia. And he has no name.
Plus, isn't Yoshi technically a species? I'm not a large Mario buff, so I could be wrong.
Yoshi is the name of the species.
Ah, but Yoshi is also an individual character, much like Toad. They are both part of a species of the same name, but "Yoshi" and "Toad" just happen to be named after their own species and are more important in multiplayer Mario spin-offs than other Yoshis or Toads.
As for the Onion Knight, don't you yourself get to name him?
Yeah, but in Dissidia, he's known only as the Onion Knight.
But he is not AN onion knight, he is THE Onion Knight.
And Meta Knight's known as Meta Knight. If we keep this part in mind, it might not be that surreal for the Onion Knight.
Actually, it kind of makes it a bit funny. :P
Right! Meta Knight is a Meta-Knight known as Meta Knight. There's also Sword Knight, Blade Knight, Ax Knight, Javelin Knight, etc. and they're all Meta-Knights.
What about Pikachu? He's just a Pikachu after all.
Exactly. Another example would be Link, you can name him anyway you want, but he will always be known as Link.
As for Pikachu and the other Pokemon...let's ASSUME they're all special Pokemon that differentiate them from the others in their species by their nature's in the anime. In fact, the pokemon that were chosen in this game are clearly chosen by their anime popularity.
Pikachu-Ash's
Jigglypuff-The "stalker"
Lucario-From the movie
Even if they aren't these particular pokemon, their attributes are based upon them.
SO? What's your point? A class is a class is a class, everything's generic. Even the pokemon trainer is supposed to be 'generic', it's not like it actually matters.
The only point I have in any of this is that a character needs to have some background before being selected as a playable character in a SSB game. They need a well-developed personality that has been previously established or no one will care.
This whole discussion came about from mags talking about dragoons and dark knights. We already have dragoons and dark knights with established personalities.
I probably shouldn't have said anything. >.>
sorry :'(
Didn't mean to start anything 8)
So some more changes have been made, and he's started making videos again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=636owX8YUj0&feature=related
Personally, I'm curious as to how he's going to have Toon Zelda play out. From what I've heard he plans to take advantage of her posessing ability from Spirit Tracks.
I believe Toon Zelda is on my list, but I plan on her being able to transform into Tetra.
Would Tetra be kinda Sheik-ish?
Not unless Sheik uses a saber.
I haven't actually thought too much about movesets, or the whole thing at all, actually, for quite a while.
Actually is a funny word.
Actually can be used in so many different places in a sentence, it tends to get irritating.
He's been going character by character and describing the movesets in detail...it'll be a while before he gets through all 50 of them. Still, his videos are a LOT better, with actual video and entertainment and junk.
I wholeheartedly agree with combining Sonic's side-B and down-B though, it always seemed weird to me to have two slightly different versions of the same attack. He was too one-dimensional, I felt, when other characters had so many different ways to fight and Sonic seemed to have a more specific theme.
If anyone's still interested in this topic, you should check out my YouTube channel (pizzadudemanguy) and tell me what you think. I have the roster and all of the character movesets down, and am now working on stages. I also have items up and am working towards numerous updates, such as the announcement of the 5th generation of pokemon.
So...yeah. Just in case anyone had any interest.