Well, I think that Zelda games are full of strange things, mysteries, questionable actions, etc. I would be really glad if we could discuss some of them or even solve some of them.
I will start with a bunch of questions:
1)My first question is about my favourite character of the game, Sheik. Is Sheik a male or a female? I have heard a lot of people saying Sheik is female but I don't think so. I think he is Impa's child or one of future Links. Don't have clues to prove it though, just my thoughts.
2)My next question is about The Majora's Mask game. Haven't played the game, I have only read about it. It beggins with Link returning to Kokkiri Forest, from an adventure, with Epona. Two fairies scare Epona, a boy with Majora's Mask appear and that is how the game starts. I am wondering, which adventure is the one that Link is returning from? Ocarina Of Time I say because it is the only game that Epona is in, or am I wrong? The other question is how the fairies and the boy managed to go from their world to Hyrule. People talk about parallel dimensions but it is really strange because it would be a great solution for the Triforce to travel to these dimensions to be protected from evil willings.
3)This question has to do with Link's Awakening. Link is supposed to going to train (Why is that? Pretty strange I say...) and his ship, which travels across the Hyrulian Great Sea (Where is this sea located?), crushes and then he wakes up on a bed, etc. At the end he wakes up again, realising everything was a dream. That means Link has never went away to train, or doesn't it?
4)What about Link and Impa? I have read a lot of "Zelda Histories" around the net and found that Link is supposed to save old Impa. BUT, after that, Impa meets Link and talks him about Zelda. Wasn't Link supposed to already knowing about it?
5)Do Marin and Tarin have something to do with Malon and Talon? Names sound really familiar...
6)Another strange fact is that after Link's Awakening, Link decides not to return to Hyrule... He goes to Calatia and there Arn and Medila do a child which they call Link. And I wonder...where does the "original" Link goes when Arn and Medila's Link is born?
7)From Comics and CD-i games I learnt that the Triforce Of Power was once given to the people of Hyrule as a sign of goodwilling. Who gave it to them?
8 )How comes Ganon always returns to Hyrule from his jails?
9)For The Oracle of Seasons and Ages story, Ganon breaks the Triforce into 8 small pieces. Could you imagine that? Ganon is supposed to do his best to take the Triforce and now that he has it...he brokes it!
10)I play Oracle of Seasons now and I am really surprised. There is a girl called Din (like th goddes?) and a pupil called Impa (Zelda's protector?) Pretty strange, don'y you think?
11)How comes Gannondorf has the Triforce at his hand, like Link?
12)How comes Link rarelly talks, including every game?
Well...here we are, I am finished. I hope I didn't waste any of your time or annoyed you. I also hope you can help me and I can help you too with any questions you have.
(I am heading another forum section right now, to introduce myself!)
Quote from: Sheik on April 21, 2005, 01:11:20 PM
Is Sheik a male or a female?
Play Ocarina of Time, the answer is there. It may surprise you, so i won't spoil it for you. :o
I'll get to the rest of your questions in a bit.
1. If you haven't gotten that far in OoT I won't spoil it to you, but Sheik's a female.
2. Where does it say that Link is returning from an adventure? He is looking for a dear friend (Navi) who he departed ways with when he finally fulfilled his heroic destiny.
And it's not that hard to travel between Hyrule and Termina, and back. Link returns to Hyrule at the end of MM.
3. Where does it say that he's going to train? According the English version the people fear that a new evil is about to appear, and so he goes on a journey to find that evil.
However, that might only have been made up by NoA (believe me on this, it won't be the first time). What we DO know is that Link is travelling in a sail boat and then caught in a (magical?) storm.
He is hit by lightning and is found by Marin on the shore. LA wasn't his dream, but the Wind Fish's. Link, the Nightmares and the Wind Fish are all real. Marin also becomes real, as she turns into a seagull.
4. I don't really understand that question. However, Link saves Impa in LoZ and learns that Ganon has captured Princess Zelda and the only way to save her is to collect the eight shards of the Triforce of Wisdom.
5. No.
6. That's pure fan fiction. There's NO official source that tells that he went to Calatia, a kingdom that shouldn't be considered as an official country, as it isn't mentioned in any of the games. I believe that Link returns to Hyrule and marry Princess Zelda. As for Arn and Medila; even IF they were official charecters they would have lived CENTURIES after ALttP Link died.
But now I'm forgetting that according to Miyamoto, ALttP is AFTER AoL. That makes sense, 'cause the seven Wise Men in AoL are closer related to those who lived during the time of the Imprisonning War than the Sages in OoT.
7. Even Miyamoto thinks of those three games (at least the two first, as the third is supposed to be much better) as a disgrace towards the Zelda series. And they were made by Philips, not Nintendo. And the comics shouldn't be considered official either.
8. How come Bowser always (at least, almost always) is the final boss in Mario, no matter how many times he's killed?
9. What are you talking about? No one has the Triforces in the Oracles. Ganon only appears at the end of a linked game, after Twinrova have sacrificed themselves to bring him back.
10. Play TMC. According to that game Din descends from a line of Oracles (presumably all of them are called Din). It isn't necassarily blasphemy, like some might say.
That's because she's an oracle of that Goddess, and it's not in all religions that it's blasphemy to have the same name as a god. I don't know how many people there are in Norway, where I live, called Tor, but there are a lot. Tor, or Thor as he's called in Denmark and English speaking countries, is the name of a god in Norse mythology. Same goes for Odin, which also is a name ordinary people can have. And he's kinda the Nordic version of Zeus.
11. That's because he has it within him. In TWW, once Link collects the eight shards of the Triforce of Courage and shows it to the gods in front of the Temple of the Gods, it appears on his left hand.
12. That's because it's an RPG. Believe me, it's FAR from the only RPG like that. The only RPGs where the hero talks are those with voice actings. It's the same way in Shining Soul and Golden Sun.
I think I'll voice a theory I have. I got this idea when discussing with someone called Archaic Sage. Remember that the Deku Tree referred to the Kokiri Forest as the source of life? That would mean that life originated in the Kokiri Forest.
My idea is that the Hylians are descendant from the Kokiris. That would explain why Zelda and the first few Links (at least OoT and TWW, as I don't know if the Capcom games can be considered official) are blonde. They probably have blonde hair because they're pure Hylians. It also explains why the Hylians have blue eyes.
My theory is that some Kokiris left the forest and that way became mortals and eventually started to grow. They probably intermarried with Humans, but not as much as between the Imprisonning War and ALttP (my theory about that is that the war was so horrible both Humans and Hylians almost became extincted, so they had to intermarry to survive). Eventually, only a few remained whose hair was blonde.
I don't mean to sound like a Nazi, but the Kokiris have blond hair and blue eyes, so it do make sense. Also, it seems to be tradition. We have the Atlanteans in our world. They are said to have been tall, blonde and blue eyed. And there's the Ancient Kaunians (although their descendants haven't changed much) in Harry Turtledove's Darkness Series. They're pretty much the same.
I kind of like to believe that the first actual Hylians travelled to Lake Hylia (because it's named after them) and there made their first settlements.
QuoteMy idea is that the Hylians are descendant from the Kokiris.
My only objection to that is that its based on the assumption that the Kokiri are real "people," which they kind of aren't. As we learn in Wind Waker, the Kokiri are actually Koroks that disguised themselves as "people" to do their good works in the forest without arousing suspicion. I doubt that these beings, which are limited in number and seemingly immortal/ageless would have had offspring.
They disguised themselves as Koroks to plant trees on the different islands. No where in the game does it state that the Koroks are their true identity. I don't think that makes much sense, anyway.
QuoteDeku Tree: What do you call yourself? Link? Well, then, Link... These are the Koroks-the spirits of the forest. Once upon a time, long ago, the Koroks took on human forms, but when they came to live on the sea, they took these shapes. Now they fear people... but to me, they will ever be my cherished little children.
Maybe we're both wrong, that the Korok's "true" shape is unknown and they just shift as they see fit.
In which game does the Deku Tree say these?
The Wind Waker.
Quote from: Sheik on April 21, 2005, 01:11:20 PM
Well, I think that Zelda games are full of strange things, mysteries, questionable actions, etc. I would be really glad if we could discuss some of them or even solve some of them.
I will start with a bunch of questions:
1)My first question is about my favourite character of the game, Sheik. Is Sheik a male or a female? I have heard a lot of people saying Sheik is female but I don't think so. I think he is Impa's child or one of future Links. Don't have clues to prove it though, just my thoughts.
2)My next question is about The Majora's Mask game. Haven't played the game, I have only read about it. It beggins with Link returning to Kokkiri Forest, from an adventure, with Epona. Two fairies scare Epona, a boy with Majora's Mask appear and that is how the game starts. I am wondering, which adventure is the one that Link is returning from? Ocarina Of Time I say because it is the only game that Epona is in, or am I wrong? The other question is how the fairies and the boy managed to go from their world to Hyrule. People talk about parallel dimensions but it is really strange because it would be a great solution for the Triforce to travel to these dimensions to be protected from evil willings.
3)This question has to do with Link's Awakening. Link is supposed to going to train (Why is that? Pretty strange I say...) and his ship, which travels across the Hyrulian Great Sea (Where is this sea located?), crushes and then he wakes up on a bed, etc. At the end he wakes up again, realising everything was a dream. That means Link has never went away to train, or doesn't it?
4)What about Link and Impa? I have read a lot of "Zelda Histories" around the net and found that Link is supposed to save old Impa. BUT, after that, Impa meets Link and talks him about Zelda. Wasn't Link supposed to already knowing about it?
5)Do Marin and Tarin have something to do with Malon and Talon? Names sound really familiar...
6)Another strange fact is that after Link's Awakening, Link decides not to return to Hyrule... He goes to Calatia and there Arn and Medila do a child which they call Link. And I wonder...where does the "original" Link goes when Arn and Medila's Link is born?
7)From Comics and CD-i games I learnt that the Triforce Of Power was once given to the people of Hyrule as a sign of goodwilling. Who gave it to them?
8 )How comes Ganon always returns to Hyrule from his jails?
9)For The Oracle of Seasons and Ages story, Ganon breaks the Triforce into 8 small pieces. Could you imagine that? Ganon is supposed to do his best to take the Triforce and now that he has it...he brokes it!
10)I play Oracle of Seasons now and I am really surprised. There is a girl called Din (like th goddes?) and a pupil called Impa (Zelda's protector?) Pretty strange, don'y you think?
11)How comes Gannondorf has the Triforce at his hand, like Link?
12)How comes Link rarelly talks, including every game?
Well...here we are, I am finished. I hope I didn't waste any of your time or annoyed you. I also hope you can help me and I can help you too with any questions you have.
(I am heading another forum section right now, to introduce myself!)
for your info sherik was a boi but it was zelda all along and in mm link came of from oot (i never played the game neither but oot was the only game with empa) also for you number 9 question gannons special
Huh? Impa was in the Oracles and she was also mentioned in LoZ and AoL.
Quote from: Evilslayer on May 27, 2005, 12:09:31 AM
Huh? Impa was in the Oracles and she was also mentioned in LoZ and AoL.
mmmhhhmm. she started gaining and losing wait i herd she go lif-o too ;D
Oh, sure. She's a Hylian in the Oracles and LoZ/AoL, and she's younger in the Oracles than in OoT. Explain that. ;D
Oh, and don't get me started on all those evidences that the Oracles aren't sequels to OoT.
She's probably a new person, since it has been confirmed there's more than 1 Zelda and Link, there's gotta be more than 1 Impa. And her heritage (shiekah) from OoT it a good example.
Shiek IS A GIRL. CRAP! I assumed she was a boy! >:(
Sorry a little late.
Quote from: Kail on June 14, 2005, 07:21:00 PM
Shiek IS A GIRL. CRAP! I assumed she was a boy! >:(
Sorry a little late.
It's so misleading. Not to sound immature, but Sheik wears a form-fitting leotard and there is not a shred of evidence that she has the anatomy of a female. If you know what I mean.
Impa is in the oracles
Quote from: Sheik on April 21, 2005, 01:11:20 PM
8 )How comes Ganon always returns to Hyrule from his jails?
because if there was no ganon, who would link fight?
simple. Vaati. lol
Quote from: Jack on April 22, 2005, 09:48:38 AM
QuoteAs we learn in Wind Waker, the Kokiri are actually Koroks that disguised themselves as "people" to do their good works in the forest without arousing suspicion.
i thought that it said the kokiri adapted this form to become acostome to the new envirement because of the great flood. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but I think you should play the games at least half way. If you still have questions then you should ask them. There's no point in asking for the plot of a game when you could just go to Blockbuster and rent it.
Some people do play the game all they way through, but just don't pay attention somtimes.
i have a few questions, when link turns into an adult in OOT, hes stuck there in the temple of time right? well did you ever notice that he has earrings as an adult but not as a kid? how the heck did he get his ears pierced while he was frozen in time? also how did his clothes grow to fit him? also, why cant he use the boomerang, slingshot, etc. as an adult? i can definatily understand why he cant use the megaton hammer etc. as a kid but it just doesn't make sense. and how is it that as soon as he obtains an item such as the bow, he can already use them with the skill of a master? is this a perk of being the hero of time or did he get trained to use all of the items he gets just in case he goes on some wild and crazy journey and happens to need them, which brings upon the next question, why is it that it just so happens that he needs the item he gets in that very dungeon and then barely ever needs it again for a puzzle in any other dungeon?
anyway, sorry about rambling but each question just brought upon the next (in fact, i only intended to ask one question).
Quote from: Shadow Link on May 16, 2007, 02:47:34 PMi have a few questions, when link turns into an adult in OOT, hes stuck there in the temple of time right? well did you ever notice that he has earrings as an adult but not as a kid? how the heck did he get his ears pierced while he was frozen in time? also how did his clothes grow to fit him?
The same reason you never see anyone use the bathroom in books; either suspension of disbelief or you assume the characters do use the bathroom/change clothes/whathaveyou. One is supposed to assume that Rauru, who was basically tending to vegetable!Link for seven years, also tended to these matters. Pierced ears may be a sign of adulthood in the culture Rauru grew up in (pre-unified Hyrule), hence the reason he pierced Link's ears.
Quote from: Shadow Link on May 16, 2007, 02:47:34 PMalso, why cant he use the boomerang, slingshot, etc. as an adult? i can definatily understand why he cant use the megaton hammer etc. as a kid but it just doesn't make sense. and how is it that as soon as he obtains an item such as the bow, he can already use them with the skill of a master? is this a perk of being the hero of time or did he get trained to use all of the items he gets just in case he goes on some wild and crazy journey and happens to need them,
That's just gameplay. The latter half of
Ocarina of Time would be too easy with the child arsenal at your disposal. How fun would the game be if you had to play several minigames to master each weapon? It would get frustrating very quickly.
Quote from: Shadow Link on May 16, 2007, 02:47:34 PMwhich brings upon the next question, why is it that it just so happens that he needs the item he gets in that very dungeon and then barely ever needs it again for a puzzle in any other dungeon?
That's just gameplay as well. It's also fairly easily explained by the fact that the weapons are stored in their specific dungeons (which are usually religious temples or prisons) for a reason, particularly in the newer games. The staff at Arbiter's Grounds used Spinners to move quickly around the massive prison, hence there's a Spinner lying around the place and the tracks everywhere. Living in the desert, blinding your opponent may be useful- hence the Mirror Shield, and so on and so forth.
Quote from: Shadow Link on May 16, 2007, 02:47:34 PM
which brings upon the next question, why is it that it just so happens that he needs the item he gets in that very dungeon and then barely ever needs it again for a puzzle in any other dungeon?
Well it's possible that the people who built these temples used the tools to access passageways that where only possible to get through using the said tool. Link happens to find one of these tools that was left behind when the people left or where killed.
Sheik... no one knows what gender Sheik is. It's one of those mysteries that will be raging on far after the series is over.
And... Ganondorf has a triforce on his right because he's one of the holders of the triforce.
Quote from: Nisei Akame on June 13, 2007, 07:48:18 AM
Sheik... no one knows what gender Sheik is. It's one of those mysteries that will be raging on far after the series is over.
Uh, Sheik is a woman disguised as a man. How was that hard again? ;)
No but did she actually change genders? Or is she just dressed that way?
Does it really matter? It's still technically a woman any way you look at it.
>.>
<.<
Or is it? :P
Please don't get into this discussion, we could be here for weeks... I've got a question though, Why did Navi leave Link at the end of OOT? Never quite understood it.
She got tired of Link eating faeries to replenish his health.
umm... What proof do you have that Link actually EATS the faeries...
None whatsoever. Hence why it was a joke. A bit of Link bashing since no one on this site seems to want to do it.
Oh, God. There's a lot of Etna loli out there, so forgive me for being frightened of your name.
Yeah, Link bashing's fun, but it's best left to the professionals. Step aside, kids.
Ok heres one.
Why were two temple of times built (the one in OOT and the one in TP)? Why was it neccesary to move it from castle town to the middle of the lost woods.
Isn't it obvious? The Lost Woods was Castle Town. TP takes place in a post-apocalyptic nightmareland, where the old Hyrule Castle was razed and a new one erected several miles away.
Quote from: The End on September 09, 2007, 06:06:50 PM
Isn't it obvious? The Lost Woods was Castle Town. TP takes place in a post-apocalyptic nightmareland, where the old Hyrule Castle was razed and a new one erected several miles away.
Everything else stayed in the same place relent to castle town, they can't have moved castle town unless the moved lake hylia and death mountian as well ::).
TP is in the child timeline anyway, so the town was never razed.
The ToT in OoT is the one that you go to from the portal to get to the innards of the ToT. So after you put the sword back in in OoT, the staircase appears, but Link goes back in time so you never see it. The place in LttP is the same as the one in TP, only in LttP its almost all gone.
Wait, what staircase? And you're telling me that he got transported from one Temple of Time to another? So basically, the 'new' temple of time is supposed to be the temple of light?
Holy crap, people. I was just being stupid, don't take my sarcasm seriously.
You're going to die from that much stupid if you don't watch out.
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on September 10, 2007, 04:16:10 PM
TP is in the child timeline anyway, so the town was never razed.
Wait, I thought the Triforce of Courage was split into eight in the child timeline. Then TP Link wouldn't have had it whole to begin with if TP were in the child timeline.
The Wind Waker is in the adult timeline, so the ToC would've had to have been split in the adult timeline as well.
[Note: I don't actually believe this. As a linearist, I'm just playing devil's advocate here. Don't freak out now.]
Quote from: MagmarFire on September 13, 2007, 04:42:57 PM
Quote from: Iron Knuckle on September 10, 2007, 04:16:10 PM
TP is in the child timeline anyway, so the town was never razed.
Wait, I thought the Triforce of Courage was split into eight in the child timeline. Then TP Link wouldn't have had it whole to begin with if TP were in the child timeline.
It was split in 8, in the adult timeline (thats why you have to gather the 8 in WW). In the Child timeline it went to TP link.
So...do you not bother to read other peoples' posts, or what? (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/Commodore_Axilon/Forum%20Crap/linkrolleyes.gif)
Quote from: Commodore Schrute on September 15, 2007, 10:10:34 AM
So...do you not bother to read other peoples' posts, or what? (http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p55/Commodore_Axilon/Forum%20Crap/linkrolleyes.gif)
No that's not it, I'm just backing up what you said.
Yeah, sorry. That came off a little rude. ;)