If PH is truly is a sequel to TWW, wouldn't vaati be in it? 1st of all Vaati is a wind mage and there was the wind waker...(yes, I know it's an hour glass now, but still...) 2nd Vaati has been in alot of LOZ games of late. It may not fit in with the time line but i want to see Vaati play a major role again! ;D
well, it cant be Ganon... he is on the bottom of the sea, remember? so it must be Vaati... but i want Aganhim
Agahnim is just a dark priest who works for Ganon at the time of ALttP. I doubt he'll be in it, unless it's a cameo mini-boss (like in OoS).
It is a possibility that Vaati's in it, but I personally don't want to see him in it if it's going to cause chaos in the timeline.
well, i guess a miniboss is cooler than a villain in first part, but i think too that Vaati maybe is in PH. you dont now when is PH in Zelda history
Well, when the game comes out, we'll find out.
sure, if Nintendo dont delay it like Twilight Princess
Oh, I'm more excited for TP than PH, so if they delay it, I probably won't mind.
well, i guess you are right, but Vaati may return... again, and only to get his but* kick
I don't think Vaati will be in PH. Not unless you control up to four Links at once, like in all of the other games Vaati is in. But it would be nice to see Vaati again. But it has to be his Minish form.
I doubt that'll ever happen. But I did say the same about Ganon once... :-\
I think I may become more interested in PH if they delay it 'til, say, Q2 of 2007. Then that'll mean they're doing their best to make a good game.
And it won't be overshadowed by TP.
Vaati shall one day be my slave!!!!!!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha......and ha ;D
ha could
Yes he will be my slave and so will the rest of u!!!
hahahahahahahhahaha.....and ha
Quote from: Evilslayer on May 04, 2006, 04:00:53 AM
I doubt that'll ever happen. But I did say the same about Ganon once... :-\
I think I may become more interested in PH if they delay it 'til, say, Q2 of 2007. Then that'll mean they're doing their best to make a good game.
And it won't be overshadowed by TP.
Nintendo does seem to break all expectations, don't they? It would be nice to know that their first Zelda game for the DS is going to be a good one.
And Ganon, when I become your slave, can I keep my powers over fire? I've become rather attached to them.
Yes you can ceep your powers and i will put u in second command ;D
Hurray! I keep my powers!
And another reason Vaati can't be the main villain in PH is because TMC is Vaati's origin. That would be awkward to explain. Unless, you meant his present form. Then Vaati could be the main villain. But I still doubt it. Just wanted to put that out there.
i really dont now if Vaati is going to be in PH, but maybe is a new guy the main villain...
And he too shall be my slave
yeah, like all of us ;)
Speak for yourself. He's putting me second in command. :P
ok,ok, then im a general! can i???? ???
I'll be the magnifent and sexy High Emperor, then. :P And all the girls will love me (those who don't will meet a pityfull end>:]), and I'll switch name to... Zelos. :P
ill will be a powerfull dungeon boss general!
name: Chaora Yacoon
description: Powerfull General Wizard Knight
how to defeat: cant be defitet
iastreb dont forget i am the leader >:(
so... THINKING:(im going to overtrown you, when link is weak after the battle against you, im going to kill Link and rule the world as the King Of the Evil Kings!)what im doing for real:MWAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA... and HA
Sorry, you're not going to claim the throne of the Great High Emperor Zelos. No chance! :P
maybe one or two, besides, im INVINCIBLE!!!!
how about me? I want to be ruler of the deku scrubs MHAHAHA!!!!!
My, aren't we getting out of hand? Now where does all of this powerplay leaves Vaati, again? Surely his control over wind earns him a special spot in the empire. Wait a minute. Who's empire are we planning here? Mine, right?
Vaati rules *drools* HE'S SO CUTE!!!!! ;D :D :) 8)
Actually, he can't be the bad guy. This is just after TWW, so he isn't out of the Minish Realm yet!
Cute may be a tad bit too weird. I'd stick to handsome. He should've stayed in his human form. He could've gotten himself a girlfriend.
Unless, of course, he didn't cast a petrifying curse upon her for the sole reason of she forgetting to cook dinner for him.
Bah. The stud could've gotten himself another one.
PH is a continue of WW
With that fact, we are all satisfied. 8)
yep
Now that the point is made he isn't the main villian unless there was some alternet time box thing, this topic is pointless.
It's not really pointless. There's absolutely no official information that says that TMC takes place after TWW. :P
Aonuma even referred to FSA as the oldest tale at a point (before TMC was released), which would make TMC the earliest game in the timeline.
They said that PH comes just a few months after TWW, MC comes after TWW, Vaati in MC, no Vaati in PH. This basically proves my point.
you forgot TP and Oot
Quote from: Evilslayer on May 15, 2006, 04:53:05 AM
Aonuma even referred to FSA as the oldest tale at a point (before TMC was released), which would make TMC the earliest game in the timeline.
This would completely throw out my continuity theory. Good thing for a multiple universe theory, eh?
MM comes immediately after OoT, and TWW comes hundreds of years after OoT, making it impossible for MM to come after TWW. After that, Whocares need to explain what he means by "...Vaati in MM, no Vaati in PH. This basically proves my point."
Sorry, I meant MC, not MM. Common mistake! :P
i think that... wait a second! how many years come MC after PH?
I forgive you, Whocares. It is a mistake anyone can make. As for iastreb, we can't tell how many years TMC comes after PH. The best we can do is guess how many years it'll take to rebuild a kingdom. Perhaps if we use human history as a reference, we can make a close to accurate guess. I read on Wikipedia that Shigero Miyamoto supposedly (note the emphasis I'm putting on supposedly) has the official timeline hidden away somewhere. We could storm his house and make him tell us. It all depends on if you don't mind breaking a few laws.
wait, if MC come smany years after PH, so vaatcan come back again!
If we establish the fact the TMC comes after PH, then Vaati can't be in PH because TMC was Vaati's origin. Not unless Vaati can travel back in time.
aha... what about a evil spirit, named Vaati survives every defite and comes back again... what about Vaati in FSA?
What about FSA? FS and FSA can only happen after TMC. And if your saying that Vaati was killed and his spirit entered into the Minish Vaati many years later, then you may have a case to argue.
i guess that what i meant
Problem is, TMC ALSO tells of the origins of the Four Swords. ;)
QuoteIf we establish the fact the TMC comes after PH, then Vaati can't be in PH because TMC was Vaati's origin. Not unless Vaati can travel back in time.
That's not a fact. Like I mentioned earlier, the only hint from the creators places TMC and the FS-series before OoT. I personally don't believe it's before, but it IS a possibility.
It MIGHT be a mistranslation.
Oldest tale may mean
latest tale.
I thought the Four Sword wasn't in PH.
And I doubt that TMC and the FS series can take place before OoT. For one, the Light Force in TMC was probably the Triforce, and the first time the Triforce was broken up was in OoT. Also, OoT is widely believed to be the origin of Ganon and Ganondorf. I haven't played FSA, but I know Ganon's in it. If OoT is his origin, then FSA can't take place before OoT. And with FS being in between TMC and FSA, that game can only happen after OoT. Perhaps you meant TWW when you said OoT. And you are right; it might be a mistranslation.
If that's true, then the Four Sword is under an ocean by now. Yet the Four Sword is mentioned in LTTP, which most likely came after OOT. Wind Waker is after OOT, and mentions nothing about LTTP stuff or the Four Sword. Conclusion, Four Swords and Minish Cap and LTTP, after Wind Waker.
You are half right, Whocares. The Four Sword is mentioned in ALttP, but for the GBA version. And I doubt this can be considered canon; I, at least, would rather go with the original version of a game when figuring out continuity theories. And I agree with you that TMC, FS, and ALttP comes after TWW.
Than you agree with my entire argument. PH comes right after TWW by a few months. The others would come after TWW at least 50 years. So there.
Okay, now I'm lost. ???
You win by default.
Quote from: MagmarFire on May 21, 2006, 04:53:37 PM
Who's got the cloaking device? ;)
Heh? What do you mean? But still, this is before MC, so Vaati shouldn't exist.
Vaati is now my slave
Quote from: MagmarFire on May 21, 2006, 04:53:37 PM
Who's got the cloaking device? ;)
Oh, boy! Sorry about that! Either some people deleted their posts or I put it in the wrong thread.
No worries. Taken care of!
QuoteAnd I doubt that TMC and the FS series can take place before OoT. For one, the Light Force in TMC was probably the Triforce, and the first time the Triforce was broken up was in OoT. Also, OoT is widely believed to be the origin of Ganon and Ganondorf. I haven't played FSA, but I know Ganon's in it. If OoT is his origin, then FSA can't take place before OoT. And with FS being in between TMC and FSA, that game can only happen after OoT. Perhaps you meant TWW when you said OoT. And you are right; it might be a mistranslation.
FSA is also about Ganon's origins. In one of the games he's a reincarnation. I believe FSA is the one, but that doesn't mean he's not a reincarnation in OoT.
However, there are also hints in OoT that not only has the Master Sword been used before, but the Sages has been gathered before. And I don't think the Ancient Sages just decided one day that they wanted to build a Temple that would protect the gate to the Golden Land. Something must have happened. Speaking of which, OoT doesn't say that the Goddesses left the Triforce in the Golden Land. It's only something we assume.
And the Light Force isn't the Triforce, according to Aonuma.
Then Nintendo needs to make a game that helps clarify that, even if it gives the smallest hint to the true timeline.
Quote from: Evilslayer on May 23, 2006, 05:25:06 AM
And the Light Force isn't the Triforce, according to Aonuma.
Yes! I thought that that might've been so.
It might actually be the Tetraforce that some fans are theorizing about, though I doubt it plays that particular role. My theory is that it's like a rival to the Triforce, to create a balance.
If the Light Force was created to balance the Triforce, perhaps Nintendo will create another game that has it in it. Maybe the Light Force plays some role in PH.
I wouldn't count on it, considering I don't expect Minish to be in the game.
The Minish doesn't have to be in the game along with the Light Force. And I could be wrong. Hence the word "maybe."
???OK
Of course they do, in terms of MC. In other games thoguh, the chances are that the Light Force (Triforce) will be involved in the Minish world.
Wait The Light force is the Triforce ???.........yeah mabey
It was obvious. Zelda had it, proof enough. They also look similar.
Doesn't the Light Force consist of one triangle, though?
yep, and the Triforce are Three Triangle in one, the unity of the Three powers: Power, Wisdom and Courage ;D
It was said this was supposed to be a Four-Sword type game so yes, definitly 8)
Well, it DOES have a multiplayer game(s), but I don't think that you can have multiple players in Adventure Mode.
i dont have FSA. so, ill shut my big mouth! :-X ;D
Maybe PH can shed some light on the Light Force/Triforce thing. I personally believe that the Light Force is the Triforce, but if it's one triangle, and Zelda's holding it, it could just be the Triforce of Wisdom. But even that is messed up because in Wind Waker, all three pieces of the Triforce float away. So how did Tetra or any other Princess Zelda get the Triforce of Wisdom back after WW and before TMC? That's something PH might be able to shed some light on.
Also, something is kind of messed with the FS saga. Now, we all know FSA is a prequel to ALttP and sets the stage for it. Well, IF the Light Force is the Triforce, how did Zelda get it out of her and into the Dark World between TMC and ALttP? How can the Triforce go from Zelda all the way to another dimension? FS and FSA never even mention the Light Force/Triforce. The only time you even see it in either game is in FSA after the credits, when Zelda walks into the room, the screen goes dark, but the Triforce symbol above the doorway glows.
And another thing, I'm guessing there's another FS story that happens between TMC and FS. FS SUPPOSEDLY tells of TMC, but the story is still a lot different from TMC. In TMC, Vaati never captured village maidens. He never had a palace, if you don't count Dark Hyrule Castle, which I don't think that's his place. And how can Vaati go from power hungry to wanting maidens to wed? And how come he has no palace in TMC, but in FS and FSA, he has one in the sky? It all just doesn't make sense. There still is a lot of the FS Saga that we don't know about the Nintendo needs to shed some more light upon.
What IS the Lightforce??
The only Zelda games I haven't played are the Oracle games, LA, and Minish Cap
is the power of the gods in TMC
I think that Aonuma said that the Light Force is NOT the Triforce. :-\
well, its not, but what is it then? ???
My theory is that it's somewhat of the rival to the Triforce, to form a balance.
with only one part? the triforce is a balance, the ONLY balance, Power, Wisdom and Courage. Maybe the Light Force is something like the triforce of wisdom in the first Zelda ???
Actually, I think it's just one power all its own. After all, it was given to Humans by the Minish, not by the gods, so how could it be the Triforce? Their origins are different.
Yeah, both are from the Golden Land. ;D
I beleive vaati is dead, he's just a guy who got a taste of too much power and went haywire with "superiority" and got blown up, emphasis on the blown up not sealed or banished to another demension or turned to stone. All of those can be reversed but blowing up is kinda final. Same deal with Aganimh, he got run through by link and was only a puppet of ganons.
Well you never know in video games. dead people can come to life..... ::)
Yeah, like Ganon. Every time you kill him, he always pops back up in another Zelda game. It could happen with Vaati! :o
Quote from: Aero on July 30, 2006, 12:34:59 PM
Well you never know in video games. dead people can come to life..... ::)
Ahh... not really. Ganon never died in OoT, the only game which had any reference in another Zelda game. It could be that there are paralel Hyrules and Ganon (or a Ganon) happens to be in all of them. The OoT-TP-WW-PH world may have a different Vaati, parallel to the one in the Four Swords game.
Only the silver arrows can kill Ganon(dorf), so he can't die in any game that doesn't feature those.
And I'm also convinced TMC is not the story FS was talking about.It's too different. And I just don't believe he's already dead, at least not without a chance of ever coming back. Doesn't he still hold the lightforce, or at least part of it (Zelda had a small part left)?
That's one of the reasons I'm convinced the Lightforce and the Triforce are not the same.
I thought the Light Force was the Triforce of Wisdom, though.
I don't think Vaati would not know about the other pieces if he knew about the ToW. And I also doubt the ToW has ever given anyone power. Wisdom is mental strength, but it never did anything for Zelda as in "combat/fighting/defending" situations. It could never have helped Vaati get that strong. Also, the ToW should've been lost then, because he still had it after TMC.
There's nothing that even hints at it being the Triforce or part of it.
It could be. (shrugs)
It could be that the Lightforce and the Triforce are the same thing? No, they're not. They're both triangles, and that's about it. A lot of things are triangles. Might as well call all of those things the Triforce also.
How do you know the Light Force is a triangle?
I asked it. :P
During the back story when they show all of those stained-glass windows, on comes up that shows the Minish giving the Hero the Picori Blade and the Light Force (that triangle above the Picori Blade).
I don't think Vaati would be in PH for lots of reasons.
Well, what are the reasons? If you're going to say you have reasons, you might as well say them. After all, the point of a forum is to exchange ideas in a friendly atmosphere. Come on, don't be shy. :D
Well, I know PH is a sequel to WW and all, and that Vaati is a WIND mage, and a WIND sorcerer. But, I'd think he's be in a sequel to FS or MC if there was one. So, as much as I'd kill to see Vaati in another Zelda game, I don't think it'll happen in PH.
Wasn't there a screen shot of him as a normal boss, with Link chucking bombs at him?
Quote from: Penguin dude 2 on April 05, 2007, 03:40:24 PM
Wasn't there a screen shot of him as a normal boss, with Link chucking bombs at him?
0.o That was an octorok...
I haven't read most of this topic, but I think so. All the new handholds have him. And there is a picture of six different Links.
I don't think he will. I think it will be a band of pirates and their leader, or some other new villian.
I'd like it if he were, but... I have no idea. It could be Vaati, pirates, some new enemy... But definitely not Ganondorf, he's long gone.
It's nice that the master sword isn't going to show up, I'm kind of growing tired of using it. XD It's pretty, but...
new one,its Berammu.sorry for the spoilers 8)
That's okay. (Mumbles) Darn it! Why, Vaati?! Why weren't you in it!? WHYYYYYYY!?!!?!?! :'( (Falls out of chair)