Abortion?

[LadyNintendo]

But then we have a problem.

So you say, if we allow rape-victims to get an abortion, that's okay.

I agree.

You say accidental pregnancy should not be an okay reason for abortion.

I disagree, but that's not the problem I was talking about.
The problem is: Prove the girl was/wasn't raped. A girl can't always prove she was raped, and not always will the judge/jury agree it was rape. Also, not every girl wants to let the world know she was raped, or is scared because of threats from the rapist or knows her life will get very difficult if she would report it to the police. If rape, but not an accident, is an okay reason, you force the girl to go to the police, which might be very inconvenient for her for tons of reasons. So you can't always (more often than not, I guess) know if the girl is raped or lying. And then there's "semi-rape". The girl was not physically forced, but mentally. We've had a few of those cases here in the Netherlands a while back. The rapists did not even consider/were not capable of even considering it was rape.

So, even if you disagree, the woman should always be able to make the choice herself. Because you don't and cannot know the circumstances that caused the fetus to come into existance.

[Vaati]

I agree with LadyNintendo for the same reasons. Except, I don't know much about what goes on in the Netherlands, because I don't live there, but I'm sure she knows more than I do about that.

[MasterKeyX]

Prove the girl was/wasn't raped. A girl can't always prove she was raped, and not always will the judge/jury agree it was rape. Also, not every girl wants to let the world know she was raped, or is scared because of threats from the rapist or knows her life will get very difficult if she would report it to the police. If rape, but not an accident, is an okay reason, you force the girl to go to the police, which might be very inconvenient for her for tons of reasons. So you can't always (more often than not, I guess) know if the girl is raped or lying. And then there's "semi-rape". The girl was not physically forced, but mentally. We've had a few of those cases here in the Netherlands a while back. The rapists did not even consider/were not capable of even considering it was rape.

You know, that's a very good point about rape. The abortion situatiojn is very complicated. It just that, if the woman is fooling around and gets impregnated, abortion should be illegal in that situation. abortion shouldnt be used as a way of birth control.

[Vaati]

I believe that even if the woman was just fooling around, I think she should still have the right to have an abortion. I mean, having a baby really changes alot. Then again, they could put the child up for adoption...

[MasterKeyX]

Exactly! hey may not want to have the chil though, but they should realize they're destroying the life of a defensless child.

Oh, and if anyone here wants, they can go to www.priestsforlife.org/images to view an abortion. Be warned its very graphic

[Vaati]

I think I'll pass on that...

[darkphantomime]

I just looked at all the pictures there, and I got to thinking about how these things are... Heh, They're all covered in blood. A quarter, even a dime is used for size comparision of just how small they are. But I think it misses the point completely.

Under the same thing, there could in fact be a miscarriage, and what then? The thing is would one be so full of adamancy as to guilt one into not making one's choice? A choice that only one can decide, no one else. Heh, I get to the irony that it's more about how one is able to think, able to be, make one's choices. It is still about women's choice, rather than the force of men. And to use scare tactics to prevent one from having  choice, it is the closest thing to being without one's own voice. The closest thing to not being alive.

Understand, that it's about freedom, a thing that you may call overlooked. Even when the blood slits from my hands, it is about what I would do, rather than what others would take out of their loss of understanding.

[MasterKeyX]

I dont think it's really about the men having control, after all, 90% of the time, whether or not to have an abortion is a womens choice. If a man influences that, then thats wrong. It a womens choice, and i think that only under certain conditions should an abortion be allowed, and those conditions need to be VERY VERY EXTREME.

[LadyNintendo]

I'm not impressed. I saw a movie like that once before. Believe me, I've seen other kinds of operations that were meant to save people's lives that looked a lot worse. Does it matter?

And I already pointed out it's near impossible to have such a policy. That, or you'd be missing the whole point of why people want an abortion in the first place.

[Izlandi]

i side with pro-choice, I suppose. I do believe that the baby should live whenever possible but if there is a risk to the mother or if the mother is raped than the mother should have a choice to abort.

[MasterKeyX]

the website wasnt meant to sway opinion, i just posted it for you to see the HORRORS of abortion, which is clearly a crime.

[LadyNintendo]

Okay, for one, you just confessed that was your intention.
Second, don't use emotional opinions if you don't give proper arguments. You sound like this anti-abortion site I once visited. It didn't even seem to try to find arguments, just attempting to make you FEEL it was bad. I don't listen to my emotions when I judge something.

And I already said: Yes, it looks nasty, but so do most operations! If you cut someone open to give him a new heart, it gets bloody and messy. This is not different.

[MasterKeyX]

I'm gonna ignore that first sentence, cause it was a tad on the insulting side.
Anyway, it's different because you are destroying life, while any other operation is made to save life. Abortion is destruction, because it destroys the lives of innocent children.

[darkphantomime]

Here's where I step back in the discussion: Fetuses aren't children. The decision that the parent makes influences the future. How can you go about something that doesn't even exist yet?

We could say the some thing about modern contraceptives. That they are equivalent to abortion, which isn't the case. I've heard news of the morning after pill getting stopped by the FDA because they believe it's 'abortion'. When in fact it has nothing to do with abortion. Sperm takes about  twenty-four hours to reach the egg, the  morning after pill simply stops that from happening.

We do not know the future because the future is rapidly changing. The only thing we can influence is the present, which leads to the future.

[Vaati]

Well, I do think that fetuses are living begings, just not fully developed. But in a way I agree with you, they can't feel anything, they won't even remember it.