My timeline

[Fairy penguin]

O.K. I just want to know what people think of this timeline. It goes:
TMC, FS, LttP, LA, LoZ, AoL, FSA, OoA, OoS, Oot, split happens, MM, TP, then in the other timeline, TWW, PH.
I think TMC 1st, because it has no sign of the Master Sword, and the Minish and the Wind Tribe appear ofr the 1st time. New Link. Then theres 4 Swords, and I can't really play the game because me and a friend tried it out, and he didn't like it. New Link. Then AoLs backstory, and then LttP because It seems like a 1st appearance for Ganon. Then Link goes to Koholint, and then comes back to Hyrule and finds Ganon broke free, then LoZ happens, with AoL after that. New Link. Ganon uses the Trident of Power to come back, and FSA happens. New Link. The Oracle games happen, and I chose OoA 1st, but it could have happened 2nd. i don't really care about that. But it seemed like Ganons mind was destroyed at the end, because twinrova did the summoming wrong. So that would end that Ganons life for good, and after a long time, another ganon is born, and OoT and MM happen. When Ganon is beaten, he still has the Triforce of Power, and Zelda sends Link back, and in Young Link timeline, TP happens, and in adult timeline, TWW and PH happen. When the split happened, the Young Link Ganon was in a different spot than Adult, but he still got the Triforce of Power.

[Commodore Axilon]

I don't really understand why you put ALttP before OoT. Isn't it obvious that ALttP's backstory is OoT?

[Eralk Fang]

ZeldaPower just had its massive meltdown, but in one of the recently translated articles post on there concerning Ocarina of Time, a designer stated that Ocarina of Time was indeed the war mentioned in A Link to the Past. I'd find and quote it, but... meltdown! As soon as it's back up I'll edit this to include the quote.

[Fairy penguin]

Yeah, but doesn't the backstory of LttP say an ARMY was attacking the sages while they worked on the seal? In Ocarina, it's just Link fighting Ganon, and he already took over Hyrule, and the sages were in the Temple of Light. And if it's the same ganon, how did he get the whole Trifocrce when he clearly had Power, but not the other 2? If you can find a really good way to explain how the whole army thing got in the legend, and explain how Ganon got the whole Triforce without leaving, I really want to hear it.

[Commodore Axilon]

The fact that ALttP takes place quite a while after OoT, and the story has changed somewhat?

Of course, that assumes the sequence is based on the legend at the time and not on the true events. I suppose you could go either way, but I'm going with the former just 'cause it makes things a whole lot easier. And the fact that Nintendo itself seems to think so is a bonus.

[Evilslayer]

Yeah, but doesn't the backstory of LttP say an ARMY was attacking the sages while they worked on the seal? In Ocarina, it's just Link fighting Ganon, and he already took over Hyrule, and the sages were in the Temple of Light. And if it's the same ganon, how did he get the whole Trifocrce when he clearly had Power, but not the other 2? If you can find a really good way to explain how the whole army thing got in the legend, and explain how Ganon got the whole Triforce without leaving, I really want to hear it.

1. The JAPANESE version says that Ganon's malice attacked Hyrule Castle. It doesn't mention an army.

2. In the Japanese version it's also stated that the Sages sealed off 'the source of evil', not Ganon himself. In the future part of OoT the gate to the Dark World has been sealed.

3. A Maiden in the GBA version says that when Ganon entered the Dark World he was trapped and could not find a way out. In OoT Link is returned to possibly the last time he pulled up the sword (or at least after he opened the Door of Time), so Ganon is most likely in the Golden Land when the Door of Time is closed.

Of course, the problem now is TP. It could be put after ALttP. Just because there's no ruins of a temple surrounding the Master Sword in the game doesn't mean there isn't any. Remember that the Temple of Time hadn't been thought of yet.

Personally, however, I view TP as the connection between OoT and ALttP. I believe OoT was originally supposed to tell the story of the Seal War, which is why there's such big similarities, but the guys at Nintendo have changed their minds about that.

I believe the 'execution' scene in TP is the aftermath of the Seal War, and has no connection to OoT. I'm putting FSA between OoT and TP, so I think the Seal War happens sometime after Ganon breaks the seal of the Four Sword.

[Fairy penguin]

I can't read japanese, so I can't confirm any of that. And I'm talking about the American version.

[Mysterious F.]

Evilslayer and FairyPenguin, you're both terribly wrong. It has clearly been stated that the war mentioned in LTTP is the one in OOT. And also, they never thought of making OOT when they made LTTP, and they wanted to make the game very interesting. Also, try not to put the Miyamoto said TWW is first into this, Evilslayer. There are too many references to OOT and MM for it to be before them.

Also, legends change overtime in the real world, and I'm sure that it's the same in that world where Hyrule is.

The American version doesn't count, FairyPenguin. The Japanese is the original, and the American versions ALWAYS have to change details for various reasons. For example, Agahnim was really a priest, but it was changed to wizard.

It said when he netered he couldn't leave. With the power of a Triforce, one could leave without trying. Even without the Triforce, Link could leave the Dark World with that mirror thing. I'm sure the Triforce has more power than a beauty device.

He could have gotten hold of the other two like this:


If you follow LLTP before TWW theory:
When Link left for Termina, the Triforce went to the only other place it could go to: The Sacred Realm/Dark World. When Zelda was sealed into the realm, the Triforce could have also been drained out of her.

LTTP after TWW:
When the Triforce was copmleted and Daphnes Nohaonsan Hyrule wished upon it, the Triforce was sealed into the Dark World. (yes, it would still be the D.W.) When Ganon's body turned to stone, his soul remained, and went back to his Dark World, where it waited for him. I have no idea how he could hold onto it, but mabye the Triforce couldn't handle being seperate any longer and just accepted him whole.


Also:
1)Miyamoto has stated that LTTP is after LOZ and AOL. And that OOT is before LTTP. LA was left flying around somewhere, though, but it's probably LTTP time.
2)LOZ/AOL Link has never been to Hyrule before.
3)If Ganon died in the Oracles, how did he reapear in TP and TWW? And yes, it is the same Ganon, I doubt that Nintendo would make multiple ones.
4)FSA was made to resemble the LTTP map.
5)Ganon didn't use the Trident to come back. He was already back and betrayed the Gerudo's by taking the Trident.
6)No, Evilslayer, it has never been said that they changed their minds. In fact,they have said that OOT is the war mentioned in LTTP.

[Fairy penguin]

After TWW?  And the Triforce was also below the waves, with Ganon having the Master Sword in his head, and his body turned to stone. So how could the Master Sword get above the waves? And if at the end of PH, that a new Hyrule is found, how would they know to call places in the Old Hyrule the same thing? Like Kariko being called Kariko? Or other places being called the same place? And I do know FSA map is mostly the same as LttP. Only difference is the lake being higher up and having a coast. And Miyamotos theory has never been backed up. I forget where I saw this, but I saw an updated version of that theory, stating that LA is after LttP. ANd the Oracle death, I think it said that his mind was destroyed, with only his evil and will to fight left. i think it was something like that. I beat them in '03, I think. I also don't think that Link lost his Triforce when he went to Termina, or I think it would have shown him losing it. It doesn't say in that game that he lost it, either. And what realm are you talking about with Zelda?

[Commodore Axilon]

After TWW?  And the Triforce was also below the waves, with Ganon having the Master Sword in his head, and his body turned to stone.

No it wasn't. What are you talking about? It just kind of flew off. Nobody really knows what happened to it.

So how could the Master Sword get above the waves?

Maybe it's not the same Master Sword? It's not like you can't name a sword whatever you want.

And if at the end of PH, that a new Hyrule is found, how would they know to call places in the Old Hyrule the same thing? Like Kariko being called Kariko? Or other places being called the same place?

I think that the King of Red Lions (once he was found out to be King) told Link grand stories of the ancient Hyrule. I don't think he just kept quiet the whole time they were sailing about. I also think TWW takes place over about a month (if not longer); ample time for him to regale Link with stories of the forgotten land.

I also don't think that Link lost his Triforce when he went to Termina, or I think it would have shown him losing it. It doesn't say in that game that he lost it, either.

I don't think he did either, but that's a silly reason not to. Lots of things aren't told in the games.

[Mysterious F.]

The Triforce was not mentioned in MM, save for a mistake a design maker made putting it in a dungeon. We don't know at all what happened, and TWW gives what could be the explanation. Scratch that, IS the explanation. It is the only game that does not mention the Trifrce, a Triforce fragment, of a Triforce like thing. (the Power up things in LA)

Also, they might make a new sword. And the Zoras, who CAN live in salt water, might have discovered it and brought it up.

I also announce I will no longer make a timeline, seeing as Zelda games always change details. I will only say the following:

TWW/PH is not the last game.
MC is after the flood. I doubt the Oracles would look exactly the same and have the same name each time.
OOT is before TWW.
LTTP and FSA are the same Link.
TP is in between OOT and TWW.
MM Link is OOT Link.
Agahnim is Ganon, or rather a second Ganon, his split personality.

[Fairy penguin]

I have proof that OOT isn't the Imprisoning War! Or, rather, theres a lack of proof for it. When does it say there was a war in it? Ganon just took over. He had no army in his castle, just a dozen or 2 monsters. Thats not enough to win a war. And did the japanese manual say LttP Link was the last of the knights? If so, that would mean that they mostly would have had to be killed. Like the Seal War. And when the hell did the boat tell Link stuff? He told Link what he NEEDED to know. Also, even if that did happen, why would Link and Zelda decide to call all the places the same? Also, HOW would another Master Sword be above the waves?

[Commodore Axilon]

I have proof that OOT isn't the Imprisoning War! Or, rather, theres a lack of proof for it. When does it say there was a war in it? Ganon just took over. He had no army in his castle, just a dozen or 2 monsters. Thats not enough to win a war.

Why the heck would he keep his army in his castle? This point makes no sense to me.

And did the japanese manual say LttP Link was the last of the knights? If so, that would mean that they mostly would have had to be killed. Like the Seal War.

I don't see where you're going with this.

And when the hell did the boat tell Link stuff? He told Link what he NEEDED to know.

Yeah, thanks for totally not even reading my point.

Also, even if that did happen, why would Link and Zelda decide to call all the places the same?

Because it was going to be the new Hyrule. Obviously it'd be some kind of tribute to it, or something.

Also, HOW would another Master Sword be above the waves?

Uh, they made a new one?

[Mysterious F.]

Did you not know that the level three sword in the Oracles is called the Master Sword? It is clearly not the REAL Master Sword, in Ages King Zora just made your blade even sharper. In Seasons same thing but by a very old man.

And who said that you can't make a new sword and give it the same name? Nobody except you.

Honestly, you're only thinking up very pointless questions because you know you've lost.

It's been stated by Nintendo and game designers that the war mentioned in LTTP is OOT.

Of course there was a war. How could you not know that?

The only way you can put MC first is because there is no evidence AGAINST it, but there is no evidence suggesting it either.

It was stated thousands of times in LTTP Link is the last of the knights. Or rather the desencdant of.

The Triforce wasn't below the waves, the wisher gets a share of it and the other shares are sent to other people; the Triforce rests entirely in that person; or it went to the Sacred Realm/Dark World. Wow, that was VERY hard to notice.  

When Ganon was sealed into the Twili Realm, it was not, and never would be, the Dark World. The Twili Realm is completely different, the Dark World the Sacred Realm. In fact, in TP, it was stated that it was the Sacred Realm that the Goddesses created first, then the Twili Realm. In LTTP, it was stated that the one who wishes upon the Triforce in the Sacred Realm will transform the Realm along with it. It seems Adult Link's, and therefore TWW's, world fits more with the Seal War description.

You get a warning for cussing. Hell is only forgived in religious topics. You used it insultingly.

[Fairy penguin]

Yes, the Oracle Master Sword isn't the same. It's probably calles that because it's thew stronger version of the Noble Sword. TMC 1st is a tie, with no evidence either way, except it does seem to come before the FS games. Nintendo has NEVER backed anything it says up. And I believe the Sacred Realm was changed twice. The 1st time, when Ganon got in, and the sages sealed him in before he could get out, and OoTs. Who would the other sages be? I know Medli and the block of wood, but Medli doesn' seem strong enough to lift a hammer for the forge, and the block of wood is obvious. And the LttP manual says that people were trying to get in the Sacred Realm and fighting the knights while the sages cast the spell. You can't say knights were protecting the sages in the final battle in OoT. There were no knights when the spell was cast! And people were living under Ganons rule, not trying to get in! And you said you didn't care about the timeline no more, Akitsura. Sorry if I spelled it wrong. And what will you do if I swear?