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Split or single

Started by Penguin dude 2, April 17, 2007, 05:14:03 PM

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what do you think?

split
6 (60%)
single/future intact
3 (30%)
single/future gone
1 (10%)
0 (0%)
0 (0%)
0 (0%)
0 (0%)
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Mysterious F.

OOT is the key. If Link had gone back in time, then no one but him would remember the events of OOT, and he told Zelda, which led to TP.

And without a hero, Adult Link's time repaired Hyrule, but one day Ganon, who was locked in the Sacred Realm by the sages, came out, and caused the flood, and then long after that TWW.

Penguin dude 2

#16
I didn't chose split because of Aunoma. I chose it because it's hard to make a single timeline, and it just doesn't make sense to me. You have the future, after Ganons beaten, and Zelda tries to repair it. Child has Link going to Termina, then coming back. It's also impossible for TP to be in a single timeline coming after OOT, since OOT has Ganon in the Sacred Realm, and TP has him in the Twilight Realm. BIG difference.

Commodore Axilon

#17
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known As Whocares on April 18, 2007, 03:00:56 PM
OOT is the key. If Link had gone back in time, then no one but him would remember the events of OOT, and he told Zelda, which led to TP.

And without a hero, Adult Link's time repaired Hyrule, but one day Ganon, who was locked in the Sacred Realm by the sages, came out, and caused the flood, and then long after that TWW.

You are aware that's all speculation, right? It doesn't prove anything.

Quote from: Penguin dude 2 on April 18, 2007, 03:20:43 PM
I didn't chose split because of Aunoma. I chose it because it's hard to make a single timeline, and it just doesn't make sense to me. You have the future, after Ganons beaten, and Zelda tries to repair it. Child has Link going to Termina, then coming back. It's also impossible for TP to be in a single timeline coming after OOT, since OOT has Ganon in the Sacred Realm, and TP has him in the Twilight Realm. BIG difference.

Did you see the cutscene where he was put into the Twilight Realm? And Ganon has never escaped from the Dark Realm before, am i rite?

Mysterious F.

LTTP. Agahnim was his alter ego. And let's not forget TWW.

Commodore Axilon

It was a sarcastic question. I meant the opposite of what I said. I would've thought the "am i rite" would've made it obvious, but this is the internet afterall.

Mysterious F.

This is why we need new smileys.

Master Dragmire

Im still not seeing any arguments from your side of the story Commadore. All your doing is pointing out flaws in the split timeline theory, but we could just as easily tear your theory apart.

Commodore Axilon

I am not pointing out flaws in the split timeline theory, in fact I find it just as plausible as the single timeline theory (apart from the whole Occam's Razor thing). I'm just pointing out flaws in Whocares arguments for it. I'm only saying that there's no real proof for either of them. So really you can believe which ever one you want, but don't start saying you have any proof for it and that your way is the true and only way.

And I'd love to see you tear my theory apart. It should be interesting.

Mysterious F.

I'll do it, since you insist.  ;D

At the end of OOT, Zelda sent Link back in time to Child Link's world. Because he was snet back in time permanently, Adult Link World techniqually 'never happened'.

Then let's go to TWW. In much of TWW, they make many references to OOT. It's clear this is from after OOT. If this was in Child Link's world, then all the legends wuold just be legends because the events 'never happened'. Because the events happened in Adult Link's time, it is clear that this would be Adult Link's world, where the events happened.

And in TWW's intro, where they speak of the Hero of Time, it says Ganon escaped from the Sacred Realm, while in Child Link's world it Ganon wasn't sealed away. If he got out of the Sacred Realm without being put in there, how could he have gotten out then if he was never locked away there?

And also, at OOT's end, Zelda says 'I'll rebuild my nation' in some way or form. If, when Link went back in time, the events of Adult Link's world never happened, then she would not need to have said this, because neither she owlud exist to rebuild it or the kingdom be there to be rebuilt by her.

Commodore Axilon

Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known As Whocares on April 19, 2007, 12:23:17 PM
At the end of OOT, Zelda sent Link back in time to Child Link's world. Because he was snet back in time permanently, Adult Link World techniqually 'never happened'.

Then let's go to TWW. In much of TWW, they make many references to OOT. It's clear this is from after OOT. If this was in Child Link's world, then all the legends wuold just be legends because the events 'never happened'. Because the events happened in Adult Link's time, it is clear that this would be Adult Link's world, where the events happened.

Since you're such an Aonuma fan I assume you think TP happens in the Child Timeline, correct? Since that happens to also mention the Hero of Time multiple times, you must realize that you'll also have to deal with this problem. I just assume he told people (Zelda being the most notable) and it snowballed from there. It is a "legend," after all.

QuoteAnd in TWW's intro, where they speak of the Hero of Time, it says Ganon escaped from the Sacred Realm, while in Child Link's world it Ganon wasn't sealed away. If he got out of the Sacred Realm without being put in there, how could he have gotten out then if he was never locked away there?

There are multiple inconsistencies in the Zelda-verse like this; such as Ganon having the Triforce of Power in ALttP. You just have to come up with your own explanations for them, like him having reacquired it somehow before the game in my example. In this scenario I just assume he was sealed in the Sacred Realm prior to the events of TWW (his "death" in TP, perhaps?). Or maybe the Sacred Realm is independent from the workings of the normal world, ergo things that happen there don't affect things that happen here and vice-versa.

QuoteAnd also, at OOT's end, Zelda says 'I'll rebuild my nation' in some way or form. If, when Link went back in time, the events of Adult Link's world never happened, then she would not need to have said this, because neither she owlud exist to rebuild it or the kingdom be there to be rebuilt by her.

I've already addressed this. I guess I do technically believe in the split timeline, since I assume the Adult world still exists. But I don't think any games happen there, ergo I believe in the single timeline. I know it's just semantics, but there ya go. ;)

Mysterious F.

TP makes little references to OOT at all, while TWW is almost entirely based around OOT.

Let me ask you this:

If some small kid in green clothes unlike the ones from your own culture and told you that he had gone seven years into the future, fought an evil king who had taken over Hyrule, and got sent back in time by Zelda, would you believe him?

Most people wouldn't. Sure, the Gorons and Zoras might, more so the Gorons, but the others probably wouldn't beleive them either.

Commodore Axilon

Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known As Whocares on April 19, 2007, 12:57:37 PM
TP makes little references to OOT at all, while TWW is almost entirely based around OOT.

Yeah, but the fact that he's wearing the guy's friggin clothes is kind of a big deal, yes? And why exactly does it matter how many times it's mentioned? The fact that it's even mentioned at all is the problem.

QuoteIf some small kid in green clothes unlike the ones from your own culture and told you that he had gone seven years into the future, fought an evil king who had taken over Hyrule, and got sent back in time by Zelda, would you believe him?

Most people wouldn't. Sure, the Gorons and Zoras might, more so the Gorons, but the others probably wouldn't beleive them either.

Obviously it wouldn't happen at first, but I believe TP comes at least a thousand years after OoT. And that's plenty of time for these things to grow. I mean just look at what's happened in the last thousand years.

Mysterious F.

Yes, but still, would you believe? Which was my question.

Every Link wears the same clothes, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a direct refernce to OOT.

Commodore Axilon

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Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known As Whocares on April 19, 2007, 01:11:53 PM
Yes, but still, would you believe? Which was my question.

I'm not a normal person in a society where crazy stuff like that happens all the time. Whether I would believe it or not isn't really relevant. And in case you haven't noticed, average people are pretty darn stupid, and that's today! Imagine how bad it was in the middle-ages.

QuoteEvery Link wears the same clothes, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a direct refernce to OOT.

I'm pretty sure it was a direct reference to OoT, but whatever, man. Like I said before, believe whatever you want to believe.

Edit: Fine, I edited it. Wouldn't want the God Squad to get on my case.

Mysterious F.

Four games without Link wearing that were already made, it's just traditional.

Also, the language wasn't necessary.