Euthanasia

[darkphantomime]

We're talking about Self-euthanasia, rather than Euthanasia by someone's orders.  

[DW]

Yes, for Euthanasia, a Living Will needs to be in order. Meaning the person who will be Euthanized has to approve it and say it's what they want.

[Rev Rabies]

What right have you to say some people's lives are less important than others'? That's sick. Sick and wrong.

This is a debate, please don't get angry  

[darkphantomime]

Dude, she's 10. And an exceptionally gifted ten year old at that.

[DW]

Plus it was a misunderstanding.

[Peka]

I believe that people who are terminally ill and dying with pain should be able to get euthanasied (sp?).  They should have a will, and be taped making their decision so there would be no issues afterwards.  People euthanasise pets, why not people for reasons of immense pain?  Only the person themself can make that decision however.

[Takun]

Ahh, I love this topic. In my oppinion I think its funny that your family can choose to keep you alive via life support, and choose to kill you by taking you off and you have absolutly no say in the matter. I feel strongly that if you attempt suicide that that is your decision and no medical attention should be given to the patiant. And that if you succeed you should not be called mentally ill. But on the darker side I think that if you attempt suicide and you change you mind at the last minuet then no medical attention should be given. For example, If a person attempts to slit their wrists and after they have done so and are screaming for help because they changed their minds they should not be given help. Mainly because they chose this path, they made their bed. Now they need to lie in it. I mainly think this because I dont think its fair to tell someone that your going to kill yourself, legaly go through with it and after everyone is sad, changes their mind suddenly. But thats just my oppinion. >.o
     

[Commodore Axilon]

So, you're going to punish them...for not killing themselves?! Yes, that's a wonderful idea.

[darkphantomime]

I have to examine your points one by one here...

Ahh, I love this topic. In my oppinion I think its funny that your family can choose to keep you alive via life support, and choose to kill you by taking you off and you have absolutly no say in the matter.

You have a say in it if you have a living will. If your put on life support, you probably won't be even CLOSE to be fit to make decisions, seeing as you're, you know... Half-dead/unconscious?

I feel strongly that if you attempt suicide that that is your decision and no medical attention should be given to the patiant. And that if you succeed you should not be called mentally ill.

Wait, what? 'if a person succeeds...' Dude, you're dead. That means you're gone - FINITO! please explain how a deceased patient could be called 'mentally ill' in the present tense, seeing as  you know, he's dead...

But on the darker side I think that if you attempt suicide and you change you mind at the last minuet then no medical attention should be given.

umm... 'change their mind at the last minute' usually means not carrying out the suicidal plan.

For example, If a person attempts to slit their wrists and after they have done so and are screaming for help because they changed their minds they should not be given help. Mainly because they chose this path, they made their bed. Now they need to lie in it. I mainly think this because I dont think its fair to tell someone that your going to kill yourself, legaly go through with it and after everyone is sad, changes their mind suddenly. But thats just my oppinion. >.o

Suicide often happens spontaneously. If, at the last minute, they're going to tell someone, they're going to tell that person out of extreme desperation and extreme panic/chaos.

And people who try to slit their wrists often hide it. They don't go off screaming for help. Most suicides, the death happens silently, without anyone knowing.

People have a right to die by their own rights. But people also have the right to save a life. If something traumatic happens right in front of you, like a suicide or murder... You can bet you'll be shocked right back into your senses.

[Takun]

1) I just dont like the fact that other people can choose whether or not you live or die.

2)I mean that after your dead maybe a doctor might say that said suicide was mentaly ill for making the dicision.

3) I guess your right there.
And I never thought about it for some reason but I guess that if you have a right to death then my oppinion shouldnt take away the same right to life. So from number two down was all a very hipocrytical statement.

[Fishalicious]

Who's to say that suicidal people are mentally fit? It's like saying a murderer is mentally fit, as well...

I mean, if you think about it, suicide is murder. I'm not trying to group all suicidal people and murderers together, don't get me wrong. I mean, some people are like... insane murderers, and do it for no particular reason. Others do it in self-defense or for some crazy "who-has-the-last-laugh-now" thing.

You youself are a person. Murder is the act killing a person. If you kill yourself, a person, you are killing a person and committing murder.

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...If you're schizophrenic and you kill yourself, is it considered murder?

[darkphantomime]

No, it's considered 'messed up'.

That was sarcasm.

But mental illnesses are really really messy at times. You'd be surprised.

[DW]

Other people don't choose if you get Euthanasia...

[Takun]

A very controversial topic. On one hand you question that if the person is requesting to die, then maybe theyre not mentally fit to make the decision. On the other hand everyone should be entitled to their own life. Either way, im all for euthanasia(sp?)

[darkphantomime]

I'm all for CHOICE. The right to make a decision is far more important than a 'right for one thing'. If choice does not exist, then everything becomes non-specific... Every little thing must be clear. If things are unclear and vague, then people have no idea what exactly is to be done.

Nothing in life is so clear that everything can be certain, it is not just between two things, but an infinite amount. The point is, someone who wants to die is feeling pain. The only one who is completely capable of understanding what one's choices are is oneself. So in order for other people to understand in the clearest manner possible, these things must be... filled with clarity and distinct description. To be ambigious would mean that you would say nothing either way, as no one would fully understand as  you're not having/making them understand.