Is George Bush a Good President?

[darkphantomime]

My friends, I am tired of this debate. If we bicker all the more, it ruins the spirit of the holiday. A thing that masterkey hypocritically claims to bring forth.

NOw please, let us stop arguing over this, it's really a sickening thing.

What is the point of all of this view? To take a view for blame and distortion for one's assertive agenda? The people have already decided, they need a change. Already over half of the people coming here have voted him as terrible. You could go off on a limb and blame 'liberal media', but in the end, you have to accept the fact the people will think and feel how they will feel, that is the purpose of democracy, and for freedom of the press from the state. THAT is why some view the media as 'liberal', because they cannot take this criticism against '"MY" party'. But ask yourselves, would you rather have a press that is controlled by the government? A press that allows itself to be censored, the voice of fact and reason to be stiffled so that those who are in power, stay in power?

If we were, as Masterkey decries, a land of socialism, such to the extent as to be near communism, then we would not have a media that is free from influence of the government. Let me be clear on what this influence could escalate to if we were not with a free media. We would lose the right to make our own judgments and opinions, we would be silenced, kept from making our own choices and freedoms.

Our capatalist system has also gotten lost. People have gotten over-rich. Do people really need Billions of dollars, as with the Walton family of Wal-Mart? Any economical system, no matter how 'pure' it seems, still has a possibility of corruption. Do people really need to be so irresponsible with things as to take over other's areas without a real perception of local understanding?

I am a poor man, I live only slightly above the poverty level, if I do live above it.

Did Jesus himself not advocate helping the poor and lame? The Sick and weak? The meek and hungry?

These programs are designed to ensure that people actually LIVE, rather than starve. In a country of wealth, it's people are all the more important if they are themselves poor, while others are rich. That is why the rich have to give to the poor. To sustain the people. And even if you were to blame that the people not being able to keep a job is their own fault, then you pay little mind to how much control the industrial executives have, when it is they that control whether one gets fired, or works.

If socialism is a bad thing, then tell me, does that make a child who is forced to work and not go to school, a good thing?

[Gamefreak]

Well, it's not really socialist, but we do have some socialist programs.  The public goods rationale is one of them.

[saria..]

No offense but who really gives a dam.
I am sick of  people bitching about our president.
Bush aint no abe lincoln but hes better than nothing.
do you think being president is easy? Its hard work.

stop whining and be grateful for what you have.I could be ALOT worse.



I  dont give a dam about what our president does.

[teedy_man]

There's a lot of things I could say about this subject from my (and the British general public's) point of view, but it's clear that you don't want to discuss it any more. But I hope you let me pass this interesting fact.

(I think, i might be wrong) The highest qualification George W. Bush ever got at school was a C, and most of his qualifications are Ds. Are these qualifications good enough to run his country and essentially dictate the rest of the world?

I'm also sick of Tony Blair essentially being Bush's bitch.

[Gamefreak]

Do you have any proof?  Sorry, it's just that I'm sick of hearing things that may or may not be true.  I'm not interested in those.

[darkphantomime]

If we have access to any number of famous people's grades, then what question is there that we already have access to Dubya's?

If you dont believe the above, here's a link  that shows his Yale Transcript.

http://2004.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp

Still don't believe him?

[Gamefreak]

Grades are meaningless when it comes to everything.  I know this because I get C's and D's yet everyone I know knows that I'm well above average inteligence.  And George W. Bush attended college a long time ago, it makes little sense to base his presidency off of what he did in high school.

[darkphantomime]

Umm... don't you mean college, not high school?  

But there be little point, fact for fact... Then I'd guess it'd be fair to say that Al Gore's transcript is also meaningless. Al Gore's IQ was when he started as a freshman, 136, and when he became a senior of college, 137.  My own IQ is 138, which in fact, is quite high.

What matters not is what happened in the past, yet I cannot stand others who say  these words, and then use 'past experiences' as points for attack against the other party *coughswiftboatveteransfortruthcoughcough*

In the end, it is all made meaningless, but it'd be an interesting thing to see how Bush's IQ score was during college...

[teedy_man]

I suppose I agree, but still I quote from a magazine which I read, depiciting the President giving a prayer:

"Bring us this day, our daily dead"

Do you agree?

(P.S. I hope Democrats win next time - the U.S. may be a rich country, but I know there are extremely poor parts (worse than UK) because I have seen with my own eyes the poorer parts of it)

BTW have you heard of FDR?

[bgrugby]

I suppose I agree, but still I quote from a magazine which I read, depiciting the President giving a prayer:

"Bring us this day, our daily dead"

Do you agree?

(P.S. I hope Democrats win next time - the U.S. may be a rich country, but I know there are extremely poor parts (worse than UK) because I have seen with my own eyes the poorer parts of it)

BTW have you heard of FDR?

You should never compare presidents with their party, I won't mention which party I am with lets just say I voted two different parties in 2000 and 2004. But you mention FDR for Democrats, Republicans will counter with Lincoln.

[DW]

I don't agree with some decisions that Bush has made, but he is going in the general right direction. We should have pulled out of the war a while back, but we wouldn't have this problem in the first place if somebody had checked up on Saddam's weapons when his time was up, instead of waiting a few more years.

[Gamefreak]

(P.S. I hope Democrats win next time - the U.S. may be a rich country, but I know there are extremely poor parts (worse than UK) because I have seen with my own eyes the poorer parts of it)

What do you expect them to do?  Make it so they're not poor anymore?  If you ask me, that sounds like Communism.

I suppose I agree, but still I quote from a magazine which I read, depiciting the President giving a prayer:

"Bring us this day, our daily dead"

Do you agree?

Again, what proof do you have?  Just because a magazine says it, it's true?

[MasterKeyX]

Man, this topic just keeps getting spit back up.

ALRIGHTY, let's continue our chat. In terms of the war, i think we wouldn't be in this whole mess if the President before Bush wasn't so.....faulted (coughCLINTONcough)

Anyway, about people being poor, it's not Bush or the governments fault. It's their own fault SOME OF THE TIME. Other times, it may be something else. In either case, it isn't the governments job to dig them out of the ghetto. Thats against the principles of America. Im not saying we cant help them, we just can't provide them with succees, becuase, as Gf said, it's a Communistic view.

[darkphantomime]

This sounds a LOT like the view that "The New Deal" of the great depression never should have been. THink about it this way people: if the new deal had never been, we would never have had a plan to get ourselves back up. If america didn't get back up in the '40's and still under an economical depression, things would've gotten a lot worse. The Nazi's would have won, and they would have  conquered us. But I'm straying from my point...

If you really think that having the government help you out is a bad thing, then do you also happen to think that the government making a regulated mininum wage a bad thing too?

If our world were completely governed by capatilism, it would be no better if our world had been governed completly by communism. Evenually the power of the system grows to such a level, that it becomes absolute. And absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Zelda Veteran]

Hmm... All I can say about George Bush is that he had better start shaping things up before his presidency ends. I think his only hope is his Right Hand man, and that still seems hopeless. Anyways, perhaps he'll persue another career after he's out of the house.